jca2050
Premium
join:2002-02-04
Lewisville, TX
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Re: How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
I just setup up my Actiontec as a bridge and tried obtaining an IP from Verizon directly to my computer but it didn't work. I plugged in my wired D-Link router to the Actiontec and set it up and the D-Link router can obtain an IP from Verizon. Why can my D-Link router obtain one but I can't? |
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sperk
join:2006-02-18
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where is the RJ45 jack on the ONT? I have a big box called a telephone network adaptor then a smaller white box below that with no name which I guess is the ONT (it has a large black battery in it and has a very thin cord running out of it and into the house where it connects with another nameless box that apparently connects wirelessly to the Actiontec). Anyway, if this is the ONT it has no visible RJ45 jack, in fact that thin wire connects somewhere behind the unit but it's flush to the wall and I can't see the connection.
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JohnA
Premium
join:2003-09-16
Pittsburgh, PA
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Open .. the .. door (cover) on it. |
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
 ·Bay Area Internet ..
1 edit | reply to sperk
said by sperk  :where is the RJ45 jack on the ONT? I have a big box called a telephone network adaptor then a smaller white box below that with no name which I guess is the ONT (it has a large black battery in it and has a very thin cord running out of it and into the house where it connects with another nameless box that apparently connects wirelessly to the Actiontec). The box with the battery is your Battery Backup Unit (BBU). 
The ONT is usually mounted outside, but can also be mounted inside:
Inside BBU and ONT
The BBU is on top, the ONT on the bottom. You also have a Power Supply (PS) unit that plugs into your AC.
As JohnA points out, the customer connections to the ONT are inside the outer door (removed in above picture):
Tellabs 611 ONT
VZ uses several different models of ONT, that vary in features and appearance, but they all have the same basic connections:
•POTS
•RJ45 for cat5 WAN (not used with MOCA installs)
•F connector for RG6 coax (TV and MOCA WAN)
In the above picture, the RJ45 jack is on the left, the RJ11 POTS jacks are in the center and the coax connector is on the right. |
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sashwa
Pixie Cat Crunchin' n Foldin'
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join:2001-01-29
Alcatraz
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MxChris3
join:2004-11-10
Sarasota, FL
| reply to DaDrgon
Re: How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
Will bridging the Actiontec break any TV features like the menu, onscreen display, VOD etc.?
I've been trying to get this Actiontec router working with my XBOX/Microsoft Wireless adapter for the longest time to no avail, this seems like the best solution if I don't lose those TV functions. |
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| said by MxChris3 :Will bridging the Actiontec break any TV features like the menu, onscreen display, VOD etc.? If you follow this bridging Guide, your VOD and guide data should not be affected:
»/faq/verizonfi···ng#15871 |
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syona
join:2008-08-31
| reply to DaDrgon
Re: How-to: make ActionTec MI424-WR a network bridge
To all of you having trouble setting this up, trust me, this will work. I have called Verizon about 3 times, DO NOT let them tell you this config is not supported, because it is. Bridging the coax broadband connection and ethernet connection is the key to getting your third party router an external IP address. THE KEY is either unplugging the actiontec router and waiting for the DHCP lease to expire, or calling them to manually break the lease. You also have to be sure the router is no longer trying to grab an IP. I suggest setting this config up while the coax is disconnected, and then plug everything in after you are completely done.
Again, to reiterate, do not let them tell you something cannot be done, this tutorial definitely works if you only have FiOS internet connected to the ONT via coax. For those with TV, I am not sure. |
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| said by syona :DO NOT let them tell you this config is not supported. To imply that VZ supports this configuration is misleading.
VZ will release the DHCP lease when you ask. As you discovered, sometimes you have to be persistent.
However, they will NOT provide technical support with this configuration.
•They will not answer questions about or troubleshoot this configuration.
•If you have any problems with the Actiontec, they will have you do a HARD reset of the Actiontec, restoring it to factory defaults before they will troubleshoot any issues.
Users with FIOS-TV that want to bridge the Actiontec and keep VOD and guide data should follow the instructions here:
»Make your actiontec a bridge with VOD working with REV D |
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daved1948
Premium
join:2008-09-01
Baltimore, MD
|  reply to DaDrgon
Why bridge? One answer is...so you can set up a site-to-site IPSEC VPN using a pair of routers!
An IPSEC VPN endpoint requires a public IP. (Some routers can provide VPN over NAT, but there's a fair amount of compatibility issues.) So if you're trying to tie the business owner's office to their residence, you'll need to place the WAN port of the VPN router into the public IP space.
But one disappointment to bridging the MI424-WR's WAN connection using PPPoE is that at first this breaks the remaining functionality of the COAX LAN. i.e., the Set Top Boxes (STBs) cannot obtain an IP address since the DHCP service has been turned off, and (in theory) there is no working route which would allow them to communicate with Verizon's Guide and Info server.
Well whatever you do, don't look at the MI424-WR and simply give up...'cause you'll be short changing it and your installation.
There's no doubt about it, this modem / router / wireless combination is the real-deal and it can easily handle it's designed routing tasks while allowing a bridged connection to draw a public IP - and to still serve DHCP clients normally, all at the same time.
Then you provide a simple route to allow the Ethernet WAN port to "get to" the Internet, and voila...you can have your cake and eat it too.
The STBs will get the Guide, Info and the On Demand will work normally!
You will need a VPN router (i.e., a Linksys RV042 or software router in the OS such as Windows Routing and Remote Access Service) which can draw a public IP on it's WAN port using PPPoE protocol.
The LAN side of the Linksys will be your local LAN.
Your local LAN must have a DHCP server enabled, supplying IPs from any local subnet OTHER than 192.168.1.x.
Step 1 - Set up the MI424-WR according DaDrgon's instructions - except there is NO reason whatsoever to turn the DHCP server off - and in fact it must be ON to service the STBs over the COAX LAN.
Leaving the DHCP server ON allows all internally bridged LAN devices (those connected to the Wireless Access Point, Ethernet LAN and COAX LAN) to draw IPs from the 192.168.1.x subnet, thereby allowing them to communicate with the MI424-WR's router.
Note: You will not be connecting your LAN devices to the MI424-WR's LAN ports.
You may also leave the Wireless Access Point ON, as you will be able to use it normally.
As stated above, turn the Ethernet WAN port ON, and set it to obtain an address via DHCP.
Step 2 - Tie the Linksys' WAN port to one of the MI424-WR's four LAN ports. Your router should draw a public IP address from Verizon, along with the appropriate DNS server IPs.
Step 3 - And here's the part that makes this all work...tie the MI424-WR's Ethernet WAN port back to your local LAN.
This allows the MI424-WR to begin routing traffic from the STBs to the Internet through the Linksys - which just happens to get its WAN IP through the MI424-WR in the first place.
Why does this work? Well all the fooling around with the cabling, Linksys and bridging the LAN ports in the FiOS router is just normal stuff.
The trick is when the MI424-WR's Internet connection is configured for PPPoE, that traffic is "encapsulated", passing only between the ADSL modem and the Linksys.
Finally - there are one or two other ways to configure the MI424-WR to provide this functionality, but this one works and is fairly easy to set up using the guidelines provided by DaDrgon.
Note you can also fix the MI424-WR's Ethernet WAN port's IP if necessary. You can also use fixed DHCP assignments for the STBs and you could in theory, have the router relay DHCP requests to your LAN's server. Wow! This could get really complicated.
But don't be afraid of this box, and don't be afraid to try other interesting configurations.
If I can do it, you can too. |
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calskinsfan
join:2008-09-16
Nashville, TN
| reply to DaDrgon
When I go to "Main" I See Router Status STOP! but I dont see that its on PPPOE. It does show that the "Broadband Connection (Coax)" is connected still though.
Any idea what I'm missing? |
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DG67
@verizon.net
| reply to DaDrgon
I have not had time to go thru all the pages of this thread, so forgive me if these Q's are redundant...
Is an Ethernet connection (cat6) faster than a Coax connection?
If by some means one was able to get their E'net connection working w/o the Fios router, would they be better off? (read: faster) |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
·Verizon FIOS
| Faster, yes, but only marginally. Not enough for you to see the real difference. Cat6 on your LAN if you plan for gigabit ethernet, although cat5e will suffice for that as well. Cat5 or 5e if you want for ONT to router WAN.
You're asking about something different than bridging. Check out the FAQ and post a new topic if you want to explore changing to ethernet. »Verizon Online FiOS FAQ |
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| reply to DaDrgon
Latency on an ethernet connection to the ONT is slightly lower (on the order of about 1ms) with an ethernet connection. MOCA has a theoretically higher transfer rate, but that makes no difference because you are limited by your speed tier, not your connection to the ONT.
If you want transfer speeds higher than the 100Mbps ports on the Actiontec between PCs, get a Gig-E switch and place it behind the Actiontec.
You should also read this FAQ regarding the trade-offs between various coax and ethernet router configurations.
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations |
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milkmandan2
@verizon.net
| reply to DaDrgon
aside from all this talk
i just wanted to thank DaDragon for this wonderful tutorial
i followed it exactly and now my Verizon ActionTec MI424-WR is just a modem and i got hooked up with my Dlink DIR-655 perfectly.
dynamicdns service from my router works as well..
all port forwarding rules are controlled by the router
everything is peachy..great tut
though i will add that i did disable the DHCP server on the actiontec.. |
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angryFIOScustome
@verizon.net
|  reply to DaDrgon
I have had the same exact problems and Verizon tech support has been denying that there are any issues and they refuse to help with Bridge mode configurations. Given the fact that FIOS VOD also goes through the router, what would happen then, once I configure the actiontec for a bridge mode. Will VOD and regular video programming continue to work?
I really appreciate your feedback.
Regards |
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join:2005-09-26
West Chester, PA
·Bay Area Internet ..
| The instructions in this thread are not appropriate if you have FIOS-TV and want to keep guide data and VOD.
Review the trade-offs of the different possible configurations here:
»Verizon Online FiOS FAQ »What are the tradeoffs between the various router configurations
Links to instructions of each of the configurations are in that FAQ. To keep VOD, you will want option 1,2,4,5,6 or 7. |
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globalthought
join:2008-10-16
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to DaDrgon
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
You saved me huge amounts of time and hair-pulling!
I'd just determined that there was no obvious way to turn this stinker into a bridge, did a google search, and up popped your post! You are a true gentleman and guru to have posted these clear and concise instructions which worked the very first time.
Thanks again. |
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bw
@verizon.net
| reply to DaDrgon
Thank you very much for the info.
I went through this without resetting the actiontec modem to default settings and it didn't work. Then, I tried resetting the actiontec modem to default setting, and my netgear router got internet without me having to do anything else.
-Ben |
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