TKJunkMail
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|  Bandwidth limit is a VARIABLE; not 1 single number
While it's understood that severe bandwidth consumption may degrade network performance and violates the TOS, it's not exactly clear how Insight can say there's no "unpublished bandwidth limit" -- when a number of customers obviously just crossed it. Because there isn't an unpublished limit. It is a VARIABLE based on many factors that include density of users in an area; infrastructure available in an area; costs and feasibility of splitting nodes in an area, etc. And probably how many complaints are being received from the bandwidth hogs neighbors.
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karlmarx
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1 edit | Who are you to say someone is a bandwidth hog or not. Maybe I NEEDED to download over 800GB/month (last's month usage). Maybe I NEEDED to upload over 1000GB last month. Who are you to judge ME. I use my internet as it's meant to be used. UNLIMITED. Luckily, since my TOWN owns the internet, I'm not worried about some right winger preaching what I can and cannot do with my connection.
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| So would it be ok for a left winger to tell you what to do with your connection?  And seriously though, if you NEED to use 1800GB/mo, then maybe you should be paying for a business account, aspecially with 1000gb in uploads.
Personaly I dont care what political affiliations they have. I still dont want them telling me what I can and cant do with my connection as long as it doesnt violate the TOS.
Well, now I finally understand WHY they dont publish the limits.
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said by karlmarx  :Who are you to say someone is a bandwidth hog or not. Maybe I NEEDED to download over 800GB/month (last's month usage). Maybe I NEEDED to upload over 1000GB last month. Who are you to judge ME. I use my internet as it's meant to be used. UNLIMITED. Luckily, since my TOWN owns the internet, I'm not worried about some right winger preaching what I can and cannot do with my connection. If you NEEDED to, buy a business class connection.
Otherwise, you WANTED to.
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said by TKJunkMail :While it's understood that severe bandwidth consumption may degrade network performance and violates the TOS, it's not exactly clear how Insight can say there's no "unpublished bandwidth limit" -- when a number of customers obviously just crossed it. Because there isn't an unpublished limit. It is a VARIABLE based on many factors that include density of users in an area; infrastructure available in an area; costs and feasibility of splitting nodes in an area, etc. And probably how many complaints are being received from the bandwidth hogs neighbors. Actually, I would suggest that there IS an unpublished "limit." It's just not in the terms we're thinking.
The limit is most likely a percentage of network degredation. Once that percentage is crossed, the top downloaders are notified, regardless of how much they have downloaded. |
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guitarzan
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IMHO if those numbers listed are factually real.
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Said by karlmarx Maybe I NEEDED to download over 800GB/month (last's month usage). Maybe I NEEDED to upload over 1000GB last month.
It won't be long now, until this liberal left wing bandwidth hog is back on dial up, especially if its a residential account. Usage numbers put up such as those for a residential line, smacks of illegal piracy , abuse and major copyright infringement.
I wouldn't doubt, if the ISP is monitoring all activity and building evidence for a solid slam dunk case to boot such BW hogs, town or no town. 
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yock
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said by TKJunkMail :Because there isn't an unpublished limit. It is a VARIABLE based on many factors that include density of users in an area; infrastructure available in an area; costs and feasibility of splitting nodes in an area, etc. And probably how many complaints are being received from the bandwidth hogs neighbors. I think the issue here isn't what the limit is, but whether it exists or not and how do we determine it. If subscribers might face disconnection just for being the heavy hitter on the block, they deserve to know how that is determined; furthermore, I'd question the legality of a service contract the validity of which is contingent upon the behavior of other contracted parties. Surely I cannot be cutoff for moderate to heavy usage just because my neighbor creates an equal or greater strain on the network.
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said by karlmarx :Luckily, since my TOWN owns the internet Boston owns the Internet? |
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TKJunkMail
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said by yock :I think the issue here isn't what the limit is, but whether it exists or not and how do we determine it. If subscribers might face disconnection just for being the heavy hitter on the block, they deserve to know how that is determined; furthermore, I'd question the legality of a service contract the validity of which is contingent upon the behavior of other contracted parties. Well, according to Comcast's TOS, they can drop you for impacting their network and how that is determined is up to them. But, I guess you could go to court and claim that was an illegal contract term and is unenforceable. But I doubt you would win.
Believe me, Comcast doesn't want to drop paying customers. To get cut off for excessive usage, you have to be a doing something that is really hurting other users on your node and you just aren't worth Comcast losing other customers over. Besides they do warn the customer 1st. If the problem persists, then you could be gone.
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said by TKJunkMail :While it's understood that severe bandwidth consumption may degrade network performance and violates the TOS, it's not exactly clear how Insight can say there's no "unpublished bandwidth limit" -- when a number of customers obviously just crossed it. Because there isn't an unpublished limit. It is a VARIABLE based on many factors that include density of users in an area; infrastructure available in an area; costs and feasibility of splitting nodes in an area, etc. And probably how many complaints are being received from the bandwidth hogs neighbors. Really? If they can determine this variable limit based on the factors such as density or users, infrastructure in the area, costs and feasibility of splitting nodes etc etc etc in order to send personal email notification to heavy traffic users, surely they can include that number in an email? Sure that number will vary from town to town, from county to county, but at least user will know what the limit is in his area.
But no, neither Insight nor Comcast would do it. So this excuse is getting old. |
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yock
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said by TKJunkMail :Well, according to Comcast's TOS, they can drop you for impacting their network... That's perfectly legitimate.
...and how that is determined is up to them. That too is perfectly legitimate, but it should be detailed in the contract. Under those terms, "impacting network performance" could be anything. Perhaps today it means a 30-day sustained throughput of almost 60KBps, as detailed in the above article, but what if a year or so down the line they drop it to 50KBps?
I simply want disclosure of those terms.
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c0de
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so you are the one that makes the internets expensive for the rest of us... |
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karlmarx
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| No, it's not like a truck, it's a series of tubes. The Republicans know that, and they are the ones that stop the internets. Why, just the other day, one of my staff sent me an internet, and it didn't get here until TOMORROW. That's cause the tubes were all filled up with my HD Videos (50GB+ per video). See, we need to build more trucks, that can go through the tubes, to move stuff to us faster. Otherwise, the interweb will collapse, and the senator won't get his graft.
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PolarBear
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If you NEED 800GB or 1000GB, you NEED business class service.
If you are uploading 1000GB a month, you must be running a server of some sort, which clearly violates your TOS.
Get a T1 or T3.
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said by guitarzan :Usage numbers put up such as those for a residential line, smacks of illegal piracy , abuse and major copyright infringement. Not necessarily. He could be running an otherwise perfectly legal web server. But as I said above, that would violate his TOS, and he should be forced to obtain a T1 or T3 line so the rest of us don't have to suffer.
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the sooner you are booted off the network the better. keep up your "1000GB" uploads please. also you may want to tell your parents that soon they will be without internet access lol. |
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said by yock :said by TKJunkMail :Well, according to Comcast's TOS, they can drop you for impacting their network... That's perfectly legitimate. ...and how that is determined is up to them. That too is perfectly legitimate, but it should be detailed in the contract. Under those terms, "impacting network performance" could be anything. Perhaps today it means a 30-day sustained throughput of almost 60KBps, as detailed in the above article, but what if a year or so down the line they drop it to 50KBps? I simply want disclosure of those terms. You, sir, are not listening, or choose not to. Goto DSL if you want that disclosure. I use the hell out of my service, and never get warned. I think the disclosure came with the TOS, under "Acceptable Usage Policy (AUP)". Read it, weep, and then post another topic on something else you don't want to listen to.
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yock
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| said by phattieg :Goto DSL if you want that disclosure. Nonsense, the transmission medium doesn't matter. They still have software and procedures to identify these users. Those methods should be disclosed for the benefit of all customers.
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