dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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| Yep! But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!
Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
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TigerNutz
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Little Rock, AR | Re: Yep! yeah?
I'm sure the same thing was said about a 10mb file in 1997...... | |
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SRFireside
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Houston, TX | Re: Yep! Actually no. Most dialup services can grab that size of a file in less than an hour (give or take). Now a 100+MB file size however... | |
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stomp357
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| said by TigerNutz  :yeah? I'm sure the same thing was said about a 10mb file in 1997...... In 97', I was still on dialup, and 10MB was not a big deal. | |
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Corehhi
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Bluffton, SC | In 97 I think I could download at abot 3.9 KB's a second with my state of the art 56K modem. | |
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Nightshade
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Salem, OR | Re: Yep! I had a download rate of about 4.2KBps on average on my US Robotics 56k v.92 external modem back in the day.
Still have it.
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bbrlogue
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Alexandria, VA | In '97, I had cable modem. What 10Mb file? | |
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Goober
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| said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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| Re: Yep! said by Goober :said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. $24.99 - $29.99 each is acceptable for a BD movie.
Hell! Netlix has some BD titles.
Blanks sure need to come down in price though.
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Goober
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| Re: Yep! said by dadkins :Blanks sure need to come down in price though. True. But, media prices seem to fall fairly quickly nowadays. I can remember not too long ago when you could hardly even find DL media and even if you could, it was $5-7-10 per disk. | |
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dadkins
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Hercules, CA | Re: Yep! BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! 
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| Re: Yep! said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! | |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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| Re: Yep! The BD RE(rewritables) in DL are a wallet killer!
But you can cram alot of data on a single disc!
The "Single Write" DLs aren't that expensive... but they aint cheap either.
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dvd536
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| said by Goober :said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks!
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| Re: Yep! said by dvd536 :said by Goober :said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks! I've been buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39! And I guarantee the read/write time is better
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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Hercules, CA | Re: Yep! No doubt!
But, how many of those HDDs can you fit into a CD/DVD wallet? 
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Conyers, GA | Please tell us... WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? | |
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techjoe
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| Re: Please tell us... said by slimpickinz :WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example.
And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there...
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| Re: Please tell us... said by techjoe :said by slimpickinz :WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. » www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example. And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there... I buy in bulk so I get them a little cheaper, but NewEgg is my fallback.
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fireflier
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Limbo | Not just blanks. I'd like to be able to easily afford a BD Burner! 25GB available for backing up my machine? Yeah, I'll take that!
Somebody wake me up when NEC has a BD burner for $40. . . | |
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Goober
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| Re: Yep! I don't have a problem with that. I absolutely believe in fair use and I don't agree with any arguments to the contrary, nothwithstanding the DMCA.
But, I think those that deny that this information will not be used for piracy are kidding themselves. | |
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PolarBear
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| Re: Yep! Of course this may be used for piracy, but it is STILL not fair that if you buy the BD/HDDVD disc, you can't watch it on whatever monitor/TV you want. I can plug my VCR and DVD player into anything with a composite video input, so why not BD/HDDVD?
From »www.slyck.com/story1390.html:
Thomas Mennecke:
What motivated you to help circumvent the content protection scheme associated with HD DVD and Blu-ray?
muslix64:
With the HD-DVD, I wasn't able to play my movie on my non-HDCP HD monitor. Not being able to play a movie that I have paid for, because some executive in Hollywood decided I cannot, made me mad...
The guy BOUGHT an HDDVD, and it wouldn't play simply because his HDTV wasn't a new model.
(Note: I don't ACTUALLY own a VCR  )
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thender2
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| said by Goober :said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. It wouldn't be a problem if the service were better.
I doubt the rips of these without the encryption will require HDCP. I doubt they will only work in specific, MPAA hand picked software. I doubt the resolution on this version will dumb itself down to DVD quality if I'm not using the newest connector that tells the TV to only let me watch the movie twice before I have to renew my license. I am 100% aware we aren't at this point yet, but I threw it in to exaggerate the potential downfalls of a world in which the TV and the source actually communicate with each other. If the DVD player can already think enough to say "this TV is not whatever, dumb down resolution to DVD quality", then a scary path has already been taken.
DVDs aren't like this. You buy the original, you get everything online plus the warm fuzzy feeling of owning the original.
Here, you buy it.. and you get _less_ than what joe FIOS downloaded off of usenet. It's ridiculous. It used to be a joke that you received better service through piracy, but the time has come where this actually stands true.
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Goober
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| Re: Yep! said by xrobertcmx :I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback. So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years. I have no problems with fair use. My disagreement is with those that upload content so that the stuff can be downloaded by people for the sole purpose of not having to pay for what they are consuming. | |
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dr3yec
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c0de
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Richmond, VA
| I would think it would take (over bittorrent) just as much time to download a BD as it would to have one delivered from Netflix.
Also, you can't burn a HD/BD & the cost/trouble of having a PC setup with 1080P output to a 1080p TV is gonna be little high right now.
Seems like too much trouble right now, espically if i can't pop the disc into a BD/HD player after I download it. Not to mention the cost of the players.
I'll stick with my good ole DVD till the format wars are settled.
Hell I don't even bother downloading regular DVDs right now. But maybe if I give up my job/life I would have time to do all that. | |
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Maxo
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AmnChode
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San Antonio, TX | well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again.... | |
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Maxo
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| Re: Yep! said by AmnChode :well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again.... There really is no point. It's a cat and mouse game that the mouse always loses at. | |
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Camelot One
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| said by AmnChode :well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again.... Because they have no interest in stopping the die hards, just in making sure the "average" user is prevented from doing this sort of thing.
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clubs: | 25-50GB isn't that bad... what's wrong with uploading a Blue-Ray of last Christmas to grandma in London?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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| Re: Yep! said by BloodRoses :25-50GB isn't that bad... what's wrong with uploading a Blue-Ray of last Christmas to grandma in London? Burning it and mailing it would be faster?
Plus, it wouldn't be maxing out your connection for hours(days?).
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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| Re: Yep! ...and I suppose you have a connection that will allow you to upload a file this size within a reasonable time?
We *ALL* need to talk to *OUR* ISPs, huh?
I have no need or want to upload something of this size to anyone.
I'll use a SD video for uploading, or even still burn that SD video and mail it.
You just want to argue, huh?
Tell me, do you even have one of these babies?
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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Hercules, CA | Re: Yep! Uhm, the Title of this news article maybe?
If you do not have a BD drive/player/burner, what difference does any of this matter to you?
LMAO!
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rradina
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| But if the movie is *only* released in Blue Ray or HD DVD, folks may still want to *ahem* "trade" it by recoding it at lower quality. That would probably reduce the size of the upload/download.
Frankly I'd be happy if I could still do what I do with DVDs. Before I go on a business trip, I usually rent a few videos, copy them to my laptop's HD, return the videos and watch them at my leisure over the next several days. When I'm done watching them, I delete them. I'm sure someone has a problem with this but I'm just avoiding the frigging outrageous hotel On Demand rental charges and making the flight pass more quickly.
I know with the Internet rental services I could take the DVD with no worry of late fees but that's one more thing to pack/lose/break. It's really nice to just have it on the hard drive. And maybe I it's my power settings but if I run the DVD drive, I don't get as much battery life. | |
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Wilmington, DE | I've already seen 720p HD movies on torrent sites that are the same size as a DVD-R, about 4.4gigs, compressed using H.264. The quality of them is excellent. | |
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BIGHUSKER
join:2002-01-20
Minneapolis, MN
| said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! When HD-DVD burners and Bluray burners become commonplace, then you'll see the good old "disc-to-disc" copying that is pretty common with DVDs these days. However, that's probably still a couple years off... | |
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thender2
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| said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! I can download 13 GB/hour. I wouldn't mind waiting an hour or two for a nice copy of a movie. I can upload 4 gigs an hour.
I wouldn't mind BUYING it either, but then again, sony has made sure it's 100% unuseable and unplayable unless I stick to their restrictions, so that's not an acceptable choice either.
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| Re: Yep! Exactly, I download around 15 GB/hour and it will probably be 100 in 2 years. Just a joke and a bunch of hype for something that is not even true 1080 as advertised. Should have made it into true life vision @ 700GB per disk....that might have lasted a few years. | |
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thender2
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Staten Island, NY | Re: Yep! Real film can do over 4000 lines of resolution. 1080p sucks compared to that.
Now that would be a standard. | |
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PolarBear
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| Re: Yep! said by thender2 :Real film can do over 4000 lines of resolution. 1080p sucks compared to that. Now that would be a standard. That would be an ORGA- ahem, a really nice picture!
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