PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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| reply to thender2
Re: Yep!
said by thender2  :Real film can do over 4000 lines of resolution. 1080p sucks compared to that. Now that would be a standard.  That would be an ORGA- ahem, a really nice picture!
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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said by thender2 :I can download 13 GB/hour... I can upload 4 gigs an hour.  Alright, quit taunting me with your FiOS, you prick Thasp! 
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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Of course this may be used for piracy, but it is STILL not fair that if you buy the BD/HDDVD disc, you can't watch it on whatever monitor/TV you want. I can plug my VCR and DVD player into anything with a composite video input, so why not BD/HDDVD?
From »www.slyck.com/story1390.html:
Thomas Mennecke:
What motivated you to help circumvent the content protection scheme associated with HD DVD and Blu-ray?
muslix64:
With the HD-DVD, I wasn't able to play my movie on my non-HDCP HD monitor. Not being able to play a movie that I have paid for, because some executive in Hollywood decided I cannot, made me mad...
The guy BOUGHT an HDDVD, and it wouldn't play simply because his HDTV wasn't a new model.
(Note: I don't ACTUALLY own a VCR )
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xrobertcmx
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| reply to Goober
Re: Yep!
That is a problem these days, sadly though it is sometimes easier to steal then to buy a legal copy. The copy protection schemes are now getting into the realm of the insane. My girlfriend has some rap CD at home that will only allow itself to be ripped using WMP. She put it into her laptop and it started trying to install files. Forget that. At the same time I could easily download them via P2P or buy them from allofmp3.com if I wanted, and no copy protection. (Itunes managed to convert it on a MAC, who knows why)
The large media companies need to realize that they can't keep punishing the consumers if they want to fight piracy.
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Goober
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said by xrobertcmx :I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback. So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years. I have no problems with fair use. My disagreement is with those that upload content so that the stuff can be downloaded by people for the sole purpose of not having to pay for what they are consuming. |
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bbrlogue
Learning New Things Daily
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Alexandria, VA | reply to TigerNutz
Cable Modem in 97
In '97, I had cable modem. What 10Mb file? |
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dslwanter
Why would I want DSL? I have FTTH
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Re: Yep!
said by Corehhi :In 97 I think I could download at abot 3.9 KB's a second with my state of the art 56K modem. And sadly around here that's all most people know because we have the world's cheapest cable company and no live RTs to provide DSL. I'm the last one this far north up the road to have DSL.
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Nightshade
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Salem, OR | reply to Corehhi
I had a download rate of about 4.2KBps on average on my US Robotics 56k v.92 external modem back in the day.
Still have it.
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Anonymous_
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Re: Please tell us...
160GB for 10$ more
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145088
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thender2
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Staten Island, NY | reply to Sunburn
Re: Yep!
Real film can do over 4000 lines of resolution. 1080p sucks compared to that.
Now that would be a standard. |
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Sunburn
join:2000-10-05
Denver, CO
| reply to thender2
Exactly, I download around 15 GB/hour and it will probably be 100 in 2 years. Just a joke and a bunch of hype for something that is not even true 1080 as advertised. Should have made it into true life vision @ 700GB per disk....that might have lasted a few years. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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Hercules, CA
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Good points! Thanks!
Either way, the files are/will be huge!
I haven't seen any MPEG-4 discs yet, but I'll ask over at the Blu-ray forums.
EDIT: Seems there are some rumors/speculation of VC-1 being tested. for use on BD.
Not alot of talk on MPEG-4 or x264.
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sporkme
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said by dadkins :Playback of some BD movies hits 40mbps. Any compression is going to trash picture quality and or cause artifacting. Here's a thought... if you read that thread where they cracked BluRay, there's something interesting there. A person asks "what compression is used" about a few titles, others answer "MPEG-2". Others note that MPEG-4 is also an option for BluRay, but there doesn't seem to be any actual discs out there using MPEG-4.
Hmmm. MPEG-2 is a little long in the tooth, but it does mean that you *need* more space to rip to, a more expensive blank to burn to, and of course, more bandwidth to upload/download any rips if you're not recompressing it.
Question: Are they choosing MPEG-2 on purpose to make it harder for the pirates and/or fair-use people to deal with their content? |
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xrobertcmx
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| reply to Goober
I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback.
So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years.
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thender2
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| reply to Goober
said by Goober :said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. It wouldn't be a problem if the service were better.
I doubt the rips of these without the encryption will require HDCP. I doubt they will only work in specific, MPAA hand picked software. I doubt the resolution on this version will dumb itself down to DVD quality if I'm not using the newest connector that tells the TV to only let me watch the movie twice before I have to renew my license. I am 100% aware we aren't at this point yet, but I threw it in to exaggerate the potential downfalls of a world in which the TV and the source actually communicate with each other. If the DVD player can already think enough to say "this TV is not whatever, dumb down resolution to DVD quality", then a scary path has already been taken.
DVDs aren't like this. You buy the original, you get everything online plus the warm fuzzy feeling of owning the original.
Here, you buy it.. and you get _less_ than what joe FIOS downloaded off of usenet. It's ridiculous. It used to be a joke that you received better service through piracy, but the time has come where this actually stands true.
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thender2
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| reply to dadkins
Re: Yep!
said by dadkins :Playback of some BD movies hits 40mbps. Any compression is going to trash picture quality and or cause artifacting. Uhm, no thanks! You haven't seen much x264 compression yet then, I assume.
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