PolarBear
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Re: Yep!
Of course this may be used for piracy, but it is STILL not fair that if you buy the BD/HDDVD disc, you can't watch it on whatever monitor/TV you want. I can plug my VCR and DVD player into anything with a composite video input, so why not BD/HDDVD?
From »www.slyck.com/story1390.html:
Thomas Mennecke:
What motivated you to help circumvent the content protection scheme associated with HD DVD and Blu-ray?
muslix64:
With the HD-DVD, I wasn't able to play my movie on my non-HDCP HD monitor. Not being able to play a movie that I have paid for, because some executive in Hollywood decided I cannot, made me mad...
The guy BOUGHT an HDDVD, and it wouldn't play simply because his HDTV wasn't a new model.
(Note: I don't ACTUALLY own a VCR  )
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xrobertcmx
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That is a problem these days, sadly though it is sometimes easier to steal then to buy a legal copy. The copy protection schemes are now getting into the realm of the insane. My girlfriend has some rap CD at home that will only allow itself to be ripped using WMP. She put it into her laptop and it started trying to install files. Forget that. At the same time I could easily download them via P2P or buy them from allofmp3.com if I wanted, and no copy protection. (Itunes managed to convert it on a MAC, who knows why)
The large media companies need to realize that they can't keep punishing the consumers if they want to fight piracy.
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Goober
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said by xrobertcmx  :I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback. So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years. I have no problems with fair use. My disagreement is with those that upload content so that the stuff can be downloaded by people for the sole purpose of not having to pay for what they are consuming. |
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Re: Please tell us...
160GB for 10$ more
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145088
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xrobertcmx
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Re: Yep!
I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback.
So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years.
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thender2
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| reply to Goober
said by Goober :said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. It wouldn't be a problem if the service were better.
I doubt the rips of these without the encryption will require HDCP. I doubt they will only work in specific, MPAA hand picked software. I doubt the resolution on this version will dumb itself down to DVD quality if I'm not using the newest connector that tells the TV to only let me watch the movie twice before I have to renew my license. I am 100% aware we aren't at this point yet, but I threw it in to exaggerate the potential downfalls of a world in which the TV and the source actually communicate with each other. If the DVD player can already think enough to say "this TV is not whatever, dumb down resolution to DVD quality", then a scary path has already been taken.
DVDs aren't like this. You buy the original, you get everything online plus the warm fuzzy feeling of owning the original.
Here, you buy it.. and you get _less_ than what joe FIOS downloaded off of usenet. It's ridiculous. It used to be a joke that you received better service through piracy, but the time has come where this actually stands true.
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Camelot One
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Re: Please tell us...
said by techjoe :said by slimpickinz :WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. » www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example. And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there...  I buy in bulk so I get them a little cheaper, but NewEgg is my fallback.
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techjoe
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said by slimpickinz :WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example.
And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there...
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slimpickinz
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WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39?? |
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Goober
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Re: Yep!
I don't have a problem with that. I absolutely believe in fair use and I don't agree with any arguments to the contrary, nothwithstanding the DMCA.
But, I think those that deny that this information will not be used for piracy are kidding themselves. |
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fairusehddvd
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| reply to Goober
The reason people are doing this is not to pirate but to circumvent the hdcp compliancy requirements, for the ability to stream their own purchased content via their current VGA equipment.
The industries are trying to force consumers to replace perfectly good theater setups with hdmi capable ones to plug the analog hole... |
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fireflier
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Not just blanks. I'd like to be able to easily afford a BD Burner! 25GB available for backing up my machine? Yeah, I'll take that!
Somebody wake me up when NEC has a BD burner for $40. . . |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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No doubt!
But, how many of those HDDs can you fit into a CD/DVD wallet?
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Camelot One
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said by dvd536 :said by Goober :said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)!  Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks! I've been buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39! And I guarantee the read/write time is better 
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dvd536
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| reply to Goober
said by Goober :said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks!
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dadkins
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The BD RE(rewritables) in DL are a wallet killer!
But you can cram alot of data on a single disc!
The "Single Write" DLs aren't that expensive... but they aint cheap either.
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Goober
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said by dadkins :BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea. BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?! |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)!
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Goober
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said by dadkins :Blanks sure need to come down in price though. True. But, media prices seem to fall fairly quickly nowadays. I can remember not too long ago when you could hardly even find DL media and even if you could, it was $5-7-10 per disk. |
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dadkins
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said by Goober :said by dadkins :But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD! Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely! No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs. $24.99 - $29.99 each is acceptable for a BD movie.
Hell! Netlix has some BD titles.
Blanks sure need to come down in price though.
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