Re: Yep! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17695073 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:12:02 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:12:02 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17725360 PolarBear :
said by thender2 See Profile :

Real film can do over 4000 lines of resolution. 1080p sucks compared to that.

Now that would be a standard. :)
That would be an ORGA- ahem, a really nice picture!
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said by thender2 See Profile :

I can download 13 GB/hour... I can upload 4 gigs an hour.
:D Alright, quit taunting me with your FiOS, you prick Thasp! :D ;)
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From »www.slyck.com/story1390.html:
Thomas Mennecke:

What motivated you to help circumvent the content protection scheme associated with HD DVD and Blu-ray?

muslix64:

With the HD-DVD, I wasn't able to play my movie on my non-HDCP HD monitor. Not being able to play a movie that I have paid for, because some executive in Hollywood decided I cannot, made me mad...


The guy BOUGHT an HDDVD, and it wouldn't play simply because his HDTV wasn't a new model.

(Note: I don't ACTUALLY own a VCR :D)
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The large media companies need to realize that they can't keep punishing the consumers if they want to fight piracy.
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said by xrobertcmx See Profile :

I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback.

So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years.
I have no problems with fair use. My disagreement is with those that upload content so that the stuff can be downloaded by people for the sole purpose of not having to pay for what they are consuming.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703188 Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:54:21 EDT Cable Modem in 97 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703101 bbrlogue : In '97, I had cable modem. What 10Mb file?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17703101 Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:41:00 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17700971 dslwanter :
said by Corehhi See Profile :

In 97 I think I could download at abot 3.9 KB's a second with my state of the art 56K modem.
And sadly around here that's all most people know because we have the world's cheapest cable company and no live RTs to provide DSL. I'm the last one this far north up the road to have DSL.
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Still have it.
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»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145088
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Now that would be a standard. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17700200 Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:34:16 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17699645 Sunburn : Exactly, I download around 15 GB/hour and it will probably be 100 in 2 years. Just a joke and a bunch of hype for something that is not even true 1080 as advertised. Should have made it into true life vision @ 700GB per disk....that might have lasted a few years.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17699645 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:57:32 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17699333 dadkins : Good points! Thanks!

Either way, the files are/will be huge!
I haven't seen any MPEG-4 discs yet, but I'll ask over at the Blu-ray forums. :)

EDIT: Seems there are some rumors/speculation of VC-1 being tested. for use on BD.
Not alot of talk on MPEG-4 or x264.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Playback of some BD movies hits 40mbps.
Any compression is going to trash picture quality and or cause artifacting.
Here's a thought... if you read that thread where they cracked BluRay, there's something interesting there. A person asks "what compression is used" about a few titles, others answer "MPEG-2". Others note that MPEG-4 is also an option for BluRay, but there doesn't seem to be any actual discs out there using MPEG-4.

Hmmm. MPEG-2 is a little long in the tooth, but it does mean that you *need* more space to rip to, a more expensive blank to burn to, and of course, more bandwidth to upload/download any rips if you're not recompressing it.

Question: Are they choosing MPEG-2 on purpose to make it harder for the pirates and/or fair-use people to deal with their content?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17698970 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:19:05 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17698899 xrobertcmx : I have absolutly no problem at all purchasing DVDs. I own two shelves two rows deep. My problem is that the slightly under 1 year old 26in LCD television I have, the Nvidia 7600GT, and 19in LCD monitor all might not be compatible with the current content protection systems. And because of this they might well downgrade the quality of the playback.

So I see no reason to even consider buying either the equipment or the movies until my next major tv upgrade, say in 5 to 10 years.
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said by Goober See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs.
It wouldn't be a problem if the service were better.

I doubt the rips of these without the encryption will require HDCP. I doubt they will only work in specific, MPAA hand picked software. I doubt the resolution on this version will dumb itself down to DVD quality if I'm not using the newest connector that tells the TV to only let me watch the movie twice before I have to renew my license. I am 100% aware we aren't at this point yet, but I threw it in to exaggerate the potential downfalls of a world in which the TV and the source actually communicate with each other. If the DVD player can already think enough to say "this TV is not whatever, dumb down resolution to DVD quality", then a scary path has already been taken.

DVDs aren't like this. You buy the original, you get everything online plus the warm fuzzy feeling of owning the original.

Here, you buy it.. and you get _less_ than what joe FIOS downloaded off of usenet. It's ridiculous. It used to be a joke that you received better service through piracy, but the time has come where this actually stands true.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Playback of some BD movies hits 40mbps.
Any compression is going to trash picture quality and or cause artifacting.

Uhm, no thanks!
You haven't seen much x264 compression yet then, I assume.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
I can download 13 GB/hour. I wouldn't mind waiting an hour or two for a nice copy of a movie. I can upload 4 gigs an hour.

I wouldn't mind BUYING it either, but then again, sony has made sure it's 100% unuseable and unplayable unless I stick to their restrictions, so that's not an acceptable choice either.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
When HD-DVD burners and Bluray burners become commonplace, then you'll see the good old "disc-to-disc" copying that is pretty common with DVDs these days. However, that's probably still a couple years off...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17698641 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:32:51 EDT Re: Please tell us... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17698031 Camelot One :
said by techjoe See Profile :

said by slimpickinz See Profile :

WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39??
www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example.

And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there... :o
I buy in bulk so I get them a little cheaper, but NewEgg is my fallback.
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said by slimpickinz See Profile :

WHERE? are you buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39??
www.newegg.com ... $43.99 though, but close. »www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···22145127 from the top of the list (sorted low to high price) for example.

And no, I don't work for newegg -- I just buy way too much gear when I browse there... :o
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If you do not have a BD drive/player/burner, what difference does any of this matter to you?

LMAO!
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Looks fine here, what's on the screen and the image I posted.

Whatever, I have to go watch AvP now! ;) :p
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said by TigerNutz See Profile :

yeah?

I'm sure the same thing was said about a 10mb file in 1997......
In 97', I was still on dialup, and 10MB was not a big deal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17697140 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:10:09 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696991 rradina : But if the movie is *only* released in Blue Ray or HD DVD, folks may still want to *ahem* "trade" it by recoding it at lower quality. That would probably reduce the size of the upload/download.

Frankly I'd be happy if I could still do what I do with DVDs. Before I go on a business trip, I usually rent a few videos, copy them to my laptop's HD, return the videos and watch them at my leisure over the next several days. When I'm done watching them, I delete them. I'm sure someone has a problem with this but I'm just avoiding the frigging outrageous hotel On Demand rental charges and making the flight pass more quickly.

I know with the Internet rental services I could take the DVD with no worry of late fees but that's one more thing to pack/lose/break. It's really nice to just have it on the hard drive. And maybe I it's my power settings but if I run the DVD drive, I don't get as much battery life.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696991 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:43:58 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696824 Goober : I don't have a problem with that. I absolutely believe in fair use and I don't agree with any arguments to the contrary, nothwithstanding the DMCA.

But, I think those that deny that this information will not be used for piracy are kidding themselves.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696824 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:19:38 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696599 anon : The reason people are doing this is not to pirate but to circumvent the hdcp compliancy requirements, for the ability to stream their own purchased content via their current VGA equipment.

The industries are trying to force consumers to replace perfectly good theater setups with hdmi capable ones to plug the analog hole...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696599 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:58:55 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696667 BloodRoses : I meant the fonts looked better than the original. I have a professionally calibrated S-IPS panel, my display is fine. :)
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One sec... :uhh:
Click for full size
Can you read it now?
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said by BloodRoses See Profile :

What is that picture showing? Your blocky fonts are very hard to read.
What the heck... did you click on it??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696501 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:24:21 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696484 BloodRoses : The beauty of that is you can store your collection of 1080p movies on a file server and have access to all of them instantly on your TV without ever dealing with any kind of media.

I don't see anything wrong with uploading it, and if I download it at my connections full capacity it would take around 4 hours. Yes, it's slow, but it's still faster than (as a previous poster mentioned) Netflix or any of those other similar services.

Why would they re-encode it? A lot of movies that are on BitTorrent etc. already use MPEG4 profiles of some form or another (some even use x264). It wouldn't make any sense to do that.

What is that picture showing? Your blocky fonts are very hard to read.
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said by c0de See Profile :

I would think it would take (over bittorrent) just as much time to download a BD as it would to have one delivered from Netflix.

LOL, or Blockbuster. Good point. I was all set to go get my PS3 today, but checked out the long waits on BB online and decided to wait until there are more Blu Ray available. I dont mind going with a PS3 blu ray right now even if it gets beat out by HDDVD in the future. It will be a while before one beats out the other, so that means that there will be plenty of both formats for a while. Also, even if blu ray loses, you have the best console on the planet(ok, call me fanboy), that is if you purchased the PS3.
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You don't have a want or need because you simply can't.

I will use 1080p, and no I don't have a Blu-Ray player/recorder as of yet. What difference does that make in this discussion, exactly?
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Somebody wake me up when NEC has a BD burner for $40. . .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696366 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:02:05 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696300 dadkins : ...and I suppose you have a connection that will allow you to upload a file this size within a reasonable time?

We *ALL* need to talk to *OUR* ISPs, huh?

I have no need or want to upload something of this size to anyone.
I'll use a SD video for uploading, or even still burn that SD video and mail it.

You just want to argue, huh?
Tell me, do you even have one of these babies?
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If *I* rip a BD, it will be an exact copy(as soon as the encryption is cracked and I can rip it).
I will be using these rips to burn backup copies.

Anyone who thinks they will want to upload something this large for a single video, to anyone... knock your self out!

If anyone does re-encode it with whatever codec for the purpose of shrinking it, have at it! Not my problem, not going to be played back on my machine either!

I don't have to! I can play the original! ;) :p

EDIT: Just incase anyone wants to see what's inside a BD - see pic. ;)
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I think the short term piracy interests of cracking Blue Ray are for swapping over the internet, not to retain the quality.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696157 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 13:24:09 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17696134 BloodRoses : But that's not an issue with the format, that's an issue with your connection not meeting current day requirements. Blame your ISP, not the format.
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Actually, the bitrate for those is much much much lower than DVD, this is how you can fit HD movies on such a low capacity disc.

More bits just means it's sampled higher. So to answer your question, no.

AVI is a container not a format, and it would be nothing like taking sandpaper to the disc.
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Y'all are suggesting compressing it further! Screw all that mess!

The format that BD/HD DVDs are at right now, is the highest bitrate of any removable media to date(at consumer level)

More bits usually means closer to original/master, right?

Compressing these things to AVI would be like taking sandpaper to the disc. Yeah! I want to do that! :uhh:
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Also burning as it has been talked about is pretty darn expensive... sometimes even the cost of going out and buying it yourself! And if you have a misburn... thats a really REALLY expensive coaster.

Finally, HDDVDs and BRDs are not all that expensive. Ive seen them from 17 bucks to 29 bucks which really isnt bad. Plus, they last for ever! I know CDs start to fall apart after 10-15 years, not sure about DVDs but I am sure BRDs have the same problem.
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said by BloodRoses See Profile :

25-50GB isn't that bad... what's wrong with uploading a Blue-Ray of last Christmas to grandma in London?
Burning it and mailing it would be faster?
Plus, it wouldn't be maxing out your connection for hours(days?).
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HD-DVD AND Blu-ray use either MPEG-2, MPEG-4 (h.264/AVC) or VC-1 to compress their content.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695862 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 12:28:58 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695852 BloodRoses : 25-50GB isn't that bad... what's wrong with uploading a Blue-Ray of last Christmas to grandma in London?
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said by AmnChode See Profile :

well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again....
One reason, so you and I(I already did BTW) will have to buy HW that will decode it.

It's a vicious circle. I wanted true HD. I paid for it!
These Sony products *ARE* Full HD 1080p.
That's part of Sony's new advertising!

»www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSH···&nonav=1

New tech is not cheap, but I saved and gots me some! ;)
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said by AmnChode See Profile :

well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again....
Because they have no interest in stopping the die hards, just in making sure the "average" user is prevented from doing this sort of thing.
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said by AmnChode See Profile :

well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again....
There really is no point. It's a cat and mouse game that the mouse always loses at.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695654 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:56:21 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695649 AmnChode : well, with that line of thinking, why would have they even bothered encrypting it? If there is a will there is a way, hackers and crackers prove it time and time again....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695649 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:54:45 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695619 dadkins : Uhm, don't know if you are aware of this... this laptop has a BD burner drive in it. Burners play discs also.

As long as everything is connectable just drop the new rented/bought BD in the drive and hit the Play button on the remote!
(yeah, laptop has a remote too!)
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Opening netflix package and inserting DVD, or hooking up/booting laptop and streaming video from external source (as i doubt you are going to be keeping a lot of BD on a lappy hard drive) to your TV?

And if the BD players are expensive, I don't want to think about what a burner cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695575 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:41:43 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695572 dadkins : No doubt!
But, how many of those HDDs can you fit into a CD/DVD wallet? :o
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said by dvd536 See Profile :

said by Goober See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! :(
Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?!
you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks!
I've been buying 80Gb SATA 3.0Gbp/s drives for $39! And I guarantee the read/write time is better :)
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Superman Returns is right at 50GB.
Can you download 50GB in 2 hours?

At ~8mbps(say 1MB/sec), I can pull 3600MB in an hour.
3600MB is ~3.6GB(per hour), so in 10 hours I can download 36GB... nice, but not quite feasable for BD.

I'll go buy the damn thing!

Ok someone else do the upload math. Even if you have 2mbps upload, are you going to want to upload something like this?
How about uploading it several times/seeding it. Not me!
Especially since I have Comcast(@ 768k Upstream).
Screw that! :huh:
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or greater), which many people do, a DVD can be downloaded
in 2 hours or less. Assuming of course you have a fast
source like a Usenet provider.
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said by Goober See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! :(
Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?!
you could buy a >50gb hard drive for 79 bucks!
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But you can cram alot of data on a single disc!

The "Single Write" DLs aren't that expensive... but they aint cheap either.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! :(
Holy crap. I knew about the SL prices. But DL at $79?!?!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695213 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:42:24 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695186 dadkins : Some of us *CAN* burn BD!
Whether or not a ripped then burned BD will play has yet to be seen.

As for connecting to a TV, this laptop has a HDMI port(came with the cable and a HDMI to DVI adapter too).
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Also, you can't burn a HD/BD & the cost/trouble of having a PC setup with 1080P output to a 1080p TV is gonna be little high right now.

Seems like too much trouble right now, espically if i can't pop the disc into a BD/HD player after I download it. Not to mention the cost of the players.

I'll stick with my good ole DVD till the format wars are settled.

Hell I don't even bother downloading regular DVDs right now. But maybe if I give up my job/life I would have time to do all that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695147 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:28:36 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695139 dadkins : BD SL blanks are $17.99 ea.
BD RE(RW) are as high as $79(DL @ 50GB)! :(
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said by dadkins See Profile :

Blanks sure need to come down in price though.
True. But, media prices seem to fall fairly quickly nowadays. I can remember not too long ago when you could hardly even find DL media and even if you could, it was $5-7-10 per disk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695073 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:17:18 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17695049 dadkins : Playback of some BD movies hits 40mbps.
Any compression is going to trash picture quality and or cause artifacting.

Uhm, no thanks!
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said by Goober See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs.
$24.99 - $29.99 each is acceptable for a BD movie.
Hell! Netlix has some BD titles.

Blanks sure need to come down in price though.
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said by dadkins See Profile :

But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
No kidding! People should just pony up the few bucks for the DVDs.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694949 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:53:58 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694933 SRFireside : Actually no. Most dialup services can grab that size of a file in less than an hour (give or take). Now a 100+MB file size however...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694933 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:49:20 EDT Re: Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694888 TigerNutz : yeah?

I'm sure the same thing was said about a 10mb file in 1997......]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694888 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:39:47 EDT Yep! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17694866 dadkins : But people are forgetting, unless you do some wild compression, no one is going to want to upload(several times?) 19~50GB per BD!

Hell! I dread even thinking about DOWNLOADING those kind of file sizes! Uploading? Not likely!
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