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calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
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reply to nasadude

Re: oops

Amen. From Kennard to Martin, those FCC Chairmen who consistently backpedaled from Reed Hunt's "all open" approach to competition must be happy with the paybacks from their duopolist friends.

The rest of us are just disappointed at how easily the incumbent telco and cable players used the FCC to gut competition.

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I look forward to the followers of Ayn Rand and their usual responses, repleat with oft-repeated phrases about how deregulation will bring our prices down, market forces will come to bear, and invisible hands will stroke us all.

At which time, I will offer them the deed to a certain bridge in Brooklyn.


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said by calvoiper:

The rest of us are just disappointed at how easily the incumbent telco and cable players used the FCC to gut competition.
What does anyone expect from unfettered capitalism? And this is a situation that's not likely to change in a nation of coprophagous consumer-bots with double-digit IQs .
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calvoiper

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So others don't have to look it up like I did....

"Coprophagous" means "dung eating."

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Re: oops

said by TScheisskopf:

...them the deed to a certain bridge in Brooklyn.
Sir, I want to buy your bridge...
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Re: So others don't have to look it up like I did....

said by calvoiper:

"Coprophagous" means "dung eating."

calvoiper
And is where cursory exposure to Latin pays dividends (pun intended). Copro: feces; phagous: eating.
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operagost

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reply to Titus

Re: oops

Looks like "karlmarx" just got a new ID.


calvoiper

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reply to Titus

Re: So others don't have to look it up like I did....

I suffered through a high school "cursory exposure to Latin," but my school was so repressed that the word for "dung" would never have been discussed.

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karlmarx

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Re: oops

actually, no. But he's right on the money. Techically, about 50% of the population has a double digit IQ (how else could you explain republicans, the religious right, and creationists.
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Re: So others don't have to look it up like I did....

said by Titus:

And is where cursory exposure to Latin pays dividends (pun intended). Copro: feces; phagous: eating.
It's Greek, actually, but a wonderful word none-the-less!
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Ahrenl

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reply to karlmarx

Re: oops

Actually an IQ number is an abstract concept where 100 was set to be the average. So EXACTLY 50% of the population SHOULD have double digit IQ's, otherwise 100 needs to be adjusted so that is true.


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Re: So others don't have to look it up like I did....

said by ctgreybeard:

said by Titus:

And is where cursory exposure to Latin pays dividends (pun intended). Copro: feces; phagous: eating.
It's Greek, actually, but a wonderful word none-the-less!
Wow, I had no idea the word would generate such, uh, interest -
It's all Greek to me! It stuck in my mind from studying Latin roots.
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dentman42
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Re: oops

said by karlmarx:

actually, no. But he's right on the money. Techically, about 50% of the population has a double digit IQ (how else could you explain republicans, the religious right, and creationists.
Whereas single digit IQs must explain Democrats.

You started it. And left a wide opening.

grafenberg

join:2002-02-01
reply to Ahrenl
Actually, no.


    •Some people have an IQ of exactly 100. Take this hypothetical group of IQs of 10 people:
    two: 110
    six: 100
    two: 90

    This group has a mean IQ of 100, but only 2/10 people have a two-digit IQ.


    •Variation may not be consistent in both directions. Take this hypothetical group of IQs of 10 people:
    three: 110
    six: 100
    one: 70

    This group has a mean IQ of 100, but three are above, six are exactly 100, and only one is below the mean(and only that one has a two-digit IQ).



RIRWIN1983

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reply to dentman42
Booya! LOL


chotty

join:2004-07-12
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reply to karlmarx
Or... on the other hand, how else could you explain Political Correctness, Defeatism, Self-Hatred, Group Think, The Elitist Thought Police, The ACLU or Marxist-lite Millionaires who know what's best for all and feel the pain of the oppressed? ... (just as long as they don't have to live next to them).

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said by dentman42:

Whereas single digit IQs must explain Democrats.
And dectuple deficits come from Republicans, along with quintuple deaths in Iraq.

The power of numbers....

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Actually, measured (by some test standard) intelligence of large groups fits the Normal distribution. The results are scaled so that the mean is 100 and the standard deviation is 15. In order for even the range between 70 and 130 to have meaning, thousands of samples are required. In this real case, half the population have an IQ of 100 or less, by definition.

The wider extremes are more difficult to evaluate. For example, Marilyn vos Savant's purported IQ of 190 or thereabouts is six standard deviations above the mean. There aren't enough samples tested by any standard test to establish that value from the test population. I suspect her IQ was extrapolated by scaling MENSA test results from its members IQ distribution.

kirby


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And I look forward to the responses from the followers of Karl Marx, with there their usual responses about how the government should be paying for it all.
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Karl Marked, properly owned on this occasion.


calvoiper

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reply to grcore
said by grcore:

...And dectuple deficits come from Republicans, along with quintuple deaths in Iraq.

The power of numbers....
Yes, but numbers must be normalized and standardized. When recent deficits are adjusted for inflation and standardized as a percentage of GNP, they aren't outliers as so many would love the public to believe....

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TScheisskopf
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reply to NormanS
said by NormanS:

And I look forward to the responses from the followers of Karl Marx, with there their usual responses about how the government should be paying for it all.
Never said that government should supply it all, but government should be part of the mix, supplying it where the incumbents and cablecos won't or refuse to tread and by calling it a utility. Which is what it is, especially since the incumbents have been charging USF on it, which was supposed to be used to expand the footprint of a utility.

It is time for government to get in the faces of the telcos and cablecos and tell them to get off their duff. We got a country to run here, and in 2007, broadband/baseband technologies are a big part of it.

Face it; there has been too much smoke and mirrors.


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said by TScheisskopf:

It is time for government to get in the faces of the telcos and cablecos and tell them to get off their duff. We got a country to run here, and in 2007, broadband/baseband technologies are a big part of it.

Face it; there has been too much smoke and mirrors.
Broadband Internet is not a utility. It is an option; and a costly one at the higher speeds. That is why some people opt for no broadband Internet, and many others for cheap DSL over cable when the latter is available.

Government involvement is one of those slippery slope issues. How do you determine when the government should be a part of the mix (there are poor people in the west who could use cars for transportation)? At some point, you either say, "No", to government, or you decide to implement state socialism.
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calvoiper

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said by NormanS:

... Government involvement is one of those slippery slope issues. How do you determine when the government should be a part of the mix (there are poor people in the west who could use cars for transportation)? At some point, you either say, "No", to government, or you decide to implement state socialism.
Or you use that false dichotomy as an excuse to leave a former state-mandated monopolist in the dominant position in the marketplace while not enforcing those network and infrastructure sharing provisions that were part of the deal to remove separate governmental controls (e.g., long distance prohibition; rate regulation; etc.) on their monopoly status.

The slope may be somewhat slippery, but that doesn't proscribe all government involvement. Using your own example, auto transport in the west is heavily subsidized through tax funding of road construction. Without that, everyone would have to buy Hummers to get around.

Enough with the false "either-or" choices.

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Cable was never a state mandated monopolist, is not now.

Telephone has to compete with cable, and along with cell phones, and VOIP, it is damned hard to convince me that there is a monopoly here.
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Ahrenl

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reply to grafenberg
With very large sample sets, I believe, a normal distribution is achieved. So if you're just talking about the people in the room with you, then I agree, but if you're talking about 300m people, then that doesn't apply.

Edit: didn't see that someone had already reply'd with basically this same idea.


calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
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reply to NormanS
Well, with 90+% of the landline market, and with 80+% of the T-1 private line & special access market, the incumbent telcos qualify as a monopoly under virtually all economic tests. No anti-trust enforcement action has ever required 100% monopoly to impose anti-trust sanctions.

As for cable, they were a government mandated monopoly in many cities--I used "state" as representative of government in general, not just States in the US. The government protected cable's dominant position aggressively by adopting "immediate build-out" requirements for new entrants that the cable companies did not have to meet themselves when they started (i.e., high barriers to entry). They also gained tremendous market power through government protection--but they weren't as subject to TA-'96 as the telcos were, in part because they lack the long history of anticompetitive conduct of the Bell System.

Overall, it's not just how many competitors you have--it's a larger test of how effectively you dominate a market. And the Baby Bells still dominate their respective markets.

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