TScheisskopf
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I look forward to the followers of Ayn Rand and their usual responses, repleat with oft-repeated phrases about how deregulation will bring our prices down, market forces will come to bear, and invisible hands will stroke us all.
At which time, I will offer them the deed to a certain bridge in Brooklyn. |
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N3OGH
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| said by TScheisskopf  :...them the deed to a certain bridge in Brooklyn. Sir, I want to buy your bridge... 
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NormanS
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And I look forward to the responses from the followers of Karl Marx, with there their usual responses about how the government should be paying for it all.
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TScheisskopf
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| said by NormanS :And I look forward to the responses from the followers of Karl Marx, with there their usual responses about how the government should be paying for it all. Never said that government should supply it all, but government should be part of the mix, supplying it where the incumbents and cablecos won't or refuse to tread and by calling it a utility. Which is what it is, especially since the incumbents have been charging USF on it, which was supposed to be used to expand the footprint of a utility.
It is time for government to get in the faces of the telcos and cablecos and tell them to get off their duff. We got a country to run here, and in 2007, broadband/baseband technologies are a big part of it.
Face it; there has been too much smoke and mirrors. |
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NormanS
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| said by TScheisskopf :It is time for government to get in the faces of the telcos and cablecos and tell them to get off their duff. We got a country to run here, and in 2007, broadband/baseband technologies are a big part of it. Face it; there has been too much smoke and mirrors. Broadband Internet is not a utility. It is an option; and a costly one at the higher speeds. That is why some people opt for no broadband Internet, and many others for cheap DSL over cable when the latter is available.
Government involvement is one of those slippery slope issues. How do you determine when the government should be a part of the mix (there are poor people in the west who could use cars for transportation)? At some point, you either say, "No", to government, or you decide to implement state socialism.
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calvoiper
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| said by NormanS :... Government involvement is one of those slippery slope issues. How do you determine when the government should be a part of the mix (there are poor people in the west who could use cars for transportation)? At some point, you either say, "No", to government, or you decide to implement state socialism. Or you use that false dichotomy as an excuse to leave a former state-mandated monopolist in the dominant position in the marketplace while not enforcing those network and infrastructure sharing provisions that were part of the deal to remove separate governmental controls (e.g., long distance prohibition; rate regulation; etc.) on their monopoly status.
The slope may be somewhat slippery, but that doesn't proscribe all government involvement. Using your own example, auto transport in the west is heavily subsidized through tax funding of road construction. Without that, everyone would have to buy Hummers to get around.
Enough with the false "either-or" choices.
calvoiper
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NormanS
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| Cable was never a state mandated monopolist, is not now.
Telephone has to compete with cable, and along with cell phones, and VOIP, it is damned hard to convince me that there is a monopoly here.
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calvoiper
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| Well, with 90+% of the landline market, and with 80+% of the T-1 private line & special access market, the incumbent telcos qualify as a monopoly under virtually all economic tests. No anti-trust enforcement action has ever required 100% monopoly to impose anti-trust sanctions.
As for cable, they were a government mandated monopoly in many cities--I used "state" as representative of government in general, not just States in the US. The government protected cable's dominant position aggressively by adopting "immediate build-out" requirements for new entrants that the cable companies did not have to meet themselves when they started (i.e., high barriers to entry). They also gained tremendous market power through government protection--but they weren't as subject to TA-'96 as the telcos were, in part because they lack the long history of anticompetitive conduct of the Bell System.
Overall, it's not just how many competitors you have--it's a larger test of how effectively you dominate a market. And the Baby Bells still dominate their respective markets.
calvoiper
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