Re: Who is gonna pay.... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17711190 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:47:43 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 21:47:43 EDT Re: Who is gonna pay.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17713673 patcat88 :
said by guitarzan See Profile :

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said by Jon See Profile :

for the storage?
we are... what isp in there right mind would absorb the cost of building several massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs on the hopes that the government will have enough time to trudge through every bit of data looking for NAMBLA/Child porn rings/individuals...? it's ridiculous to ask isp's to capture, store, and house exabytes to zetabytes of information for the sake of the hope that you will nail these people and pray they are still there... this is why government shouldn't be conducting certain types activities... they just aren't good at it and it penalizes all of us...
After they start building massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs. Everyone should switch back to cheapest dial up one can get. That should throw a big enough wrench into the works to mess it up. :D
Now everyone will get internet by the gigabyte, no more unlimited, so basically, for every gigabyte u transmit, you pay for space on a HD to record what you did.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17713673 Fri, 26 Jan 2007 09:17:00 EDT Re: Who is gonna pay.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17712073 ross :
said by Asmodeus See Profile :

it doesn't matter what the excuse is whether it's combating terror, illegal drugs, child porn, the slave trade, prostitution, snuff films, online rape, name your poison... the fact that the government wants private industry to capture and hold this data for years at a stretch is unreasonable and the cost of doing that will get passed down to you and me and they won't do anything with it because on average if they ever get to actually looking at this kind of data it will be to late considering things like statutes of limitations might come into effect and it will have been for nothing other than me having to grab my wallet all the time to get online...

it's not even necessary at this point either... build multiple echelon/carnivore systems that look for data traffic with respect to the aforementioned problems and capture that data as necessary and have it flag and alert an operator that can verify the data and notify the appropriate agency for action...
Gee, that sounds like a solution; eliminate civil liberties altogether, and just spy on everyone, all the time...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17712073 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 22:19:11 EDT Re: Who is gonna pay.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17711530 guitarzan :
said by Asmodeus See Profile :

said by Jon See Profile :

for the storage?
we are... what isp in there right mind would absorb the cost of building several massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs on the hopes that the government will have enough time to trudge through every bit of data looking for NAMBLA/Child porn rings/individuals...? it's ridiculous to ask isp's to capture, store, and house exabytes to zetabytes of information for the sake of the hope that you will nail these people and pray they are still there... this is why government shouldn't be conducting certain types activities... they just aren't good at it and it penalizes all of us...
After they start building massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs. Everyone should switch back to cheapest dial up one can get. That should throw a big enough wrench into the works to mess it up. :D
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it's not even necessary at this point either... build multiple echelon/carnivore systems that look for data traffic with respect to the aforementioned problems and capture that data as necessary and have it flag and alert an operator that can verify the data and notify the appropriate agency for action...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17711230 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:59:31 EDT Re: Who is gonna pay.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17711190 jhboricua :
said by Asmodeus See Profile :

we are... what isp in there right mind would absorb the cost of building several massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs on the hopes that the government will have enough time to trudge through every bit of data looking for NAMBLA/Child porn rings/individuals...? it's ridiculous to ask isp's to capture, store, and house exabytes to zetabytes of information for the sake of the hope that you will nail these people and pray they are still there... this is why government shouldn't be conducting certain types activities... they just aren't good at it and it penalizes all of us...
You mean you bought the line that the purpose of this is to combat child porn? :D
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said by Jon See Profile :

for the storage?
we are... what isp in there right mind would absorb the cost of building several massive data center/vaults to house and store this data to DoD/DoJ specs on the hopes that the government will have enough time to trudge through every bit of data looking for NAMBLA/Child porn rings/individuals...? it's ridiculous to ask isp's to capture, store, and house exabytes to zetabytes of information for the sake of the hope that you will nail these people and pray they are still there... this is why government shouldn't be conducting certain types activities... they just aren't good at it and it penalizes all of us...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17710971 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:22:33 EDT Who is gonna pay.... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17710852 Jon : for the storage?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17710852 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:58:22 EDT