pokesph
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join:2001-06-25
Sacramento, CA
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| RE: GoDaddy Takes SecLists.Org Offline
As a small time domain registrar myself, I'm not sure I would have taken down the domain.. we do follow ICANN rules but I don't think they extend to "at your discretion" removals. In my 4 yrs of selling domains, I think I've removed one domain (it was a phishing site, IIRC) based on them using MY cloaking service (points to my generic addresses..) thus violating our TOS.
In any case, Myspace should have used the legal process or contacted SecLists.Org directly for immediate action.
P.S. NoDaddy (GoDaddy) is a terrible domain name reg.. also very hard to work with from a peer perspective..
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
| If you were notified that a domain that you have some responsibility for had credit card names and numbers, would you take down the domain?
Do you consider yourself an accessory before and after the fact for allowing your service to:
1. Facilitate the procurement of the stuff to commit the crime.
2. Not do things within your power to stop the use of your service to continue to commit crime.
Oh...I forgot. Hiding behind the Term of Service agreement that says that anyone committing a crime using your service without your direct knowledge won't work when you get contacted by MySpace or anyone else that tells you that one of your customers is committing a crime. |
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Rob
In Deo speramus, God Bless the USA
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
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| reply to pokesph
said by pokesph  :As a small time domain registrar myself, I'm not sure I would have taken down the domain.. we do follow ICANN rules but I don't think they extend to "at your discretion" removals. In my 4 yrs of selling domains, I think I've removed one domain (it was a phishing site, IIRC) based on them using MY cloaking service (points to my generic addresses..) thus violating our TOS. In any case, Myspace should have used the legal process or contacted SecLists.Org directly for immediate action. P.S. NoDaddy (GoDaddy) is a terrible domain name reg.. also very hard to work with from a peer perspective.. But you're not a domain registrar if you use enom.com, you're a domain reseller. In this case, eNom is required to follow ICANN regulations and most likely they would have gone straight to Enom to file a complaint and not to you.
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deepblackmag
join:2004-12-27
00000 | reply to bigjimc
In this case the registrar is so far removed, it would be like trying to criminalize a publisher for printing a map used to get to a bank. Your arguement is utterly idiotic. |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
| I will "idiodically" compare what GoDaddy did to taking a set of car keys from a drunk. Be p-ssed off all you want but the life saved could be someone you know or even someone you don't know.
Posting user names and passwords in bulk could be considered an act of Terrorism under the federal Patriot Act (then again anything could be).
Its not criminal to print a map used to get to the bank, but if someone told the publisher that they wanted a map so they could rob a bank and the publisher gave it to him, it would be accessory before the fact.
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MooJohn
join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
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| said by bigjimc :Posting user names and passwords in bulk could be considered an act of Terrorism under the federal Patriot Act (then again anything could be). Bwa ha ha! How can MySpace have anything to do with national security? It's just a more "hip" Geocities yet people treat it like it's some kind of cornerstone to our way of life.
I can see it now: "Oh no! Haxors can change people's overly-video-laden webpages! Better bump the terror level up a notch to reflect the threat." After all, if you get knocked off somebody's "friends" list you're gonna be mad!
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deepblackmag
join:2004-12-27
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| reply to bigjimc
The criminal in no way communicates their intent to godaddy when registering a domain, just as a bank robber does not communicate their intent to the map seller. Your arguement is getting dumber by the minute, as all totalitarian scum inevitibly degrate the arguement by drugding up terrorism or kiddy porn as their last defence to enforce compliance with an incorrect course of action. Godaddy has absolutely no right to revoke domain ownership without due process, even the ICANN knows that which is why we have a dispute resolution process. Their action is indefensable, ineffective, and incorrect. |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
| I have never had a discussion with someone as unintelligent. When a person agrees to a TOS. They agree with a TOS.
Any fifth grader would understand this. GoDaddy reserves the right to do whatever they want. Anyone with a TOS like that has that same right.
If you do not agree you go elsewhere.
GoDaddy is a company that has its own rules. I will back off my criminal argument because I am not on the supreme court.
When people get angry at a company doing what is right and good they are usually the ignorant people who would also get mad if the same company didn't do anything.
We call them people too bad. Their the ones raising their children to blame everyone else for their own problems.
GoDaddy was in its rights under their TOS (See their site) to hold the DOMAIN in suspension pending ICANN appeal. They didn't.
Sometimes I wonder if there are actually college educated people on this board. |
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bigjimc
join:2003-04-21
Middleboro, MA
| reply to MooJohn
Well...If a "terrorist" was using child slavery to make money through illegal child films or prostitution and they used the list to kidnap the children by setting up mettings then it would be an act of terrorism.
Maybe McCarthy could hold some hearings. |
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