 intellerSociopaths always win.
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1 edit | and 100% of this survey is stupid Who cares? I find it offending that people who actually USE what they pay for are considered "hogs"
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| said by inteller:Who cares? I find it offending that people who actually USE what they pay for are considered "hogs" How about the people who design and manage ISP networks. They care a great deal about this info because it has a direct effect on their design changes and on infrastructure expenditures.
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intellerSociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | They should just be happy not all their customers are "bandwidth hogs"
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 P NessYou'Ve Forgotten 9-11 AlreadyPremium
join:2001-08-29
way way out | reply to inteller
said by inteller:Who cares? I find it offending that people who actually USE what they pay for are considered "hogs" ...and that they will terminate you..
...but those non-hogs dont get refunds and credits for being very very proftable customers
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said by inteller:They should just be happy not all their customers are "bandwidth hogs" ok, sparky!
having an idea of the profile of your customers lets you build out your network accordingly |
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Imagine using what you pay for, and being punished for it. Now that is business. |
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 HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
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said by inteller:They should just be happy not all their customers are "bandwidth hogs" Consumer-grade networks are designed and more importantly, sold, based on every customer NOT being a bandwidth hog. If every customer used 100% of their service 24/7/365, we wouldn't be paying $20/month for DSL or $40/month for cable. It's no different than the dial-up days when there was a 20-25% rule on number of incoming phone lines vs number of customers.
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| Thanks for that Tidbit...I was waiting for you to come along.
You are correct...we wouldn't be paying $20/month for DSL or $40/month for cable or what I pay for their "business versions" of $120/mo and $140/mo. It would be more like $8/mo, $15/mo, $65/mo, and $73/mo Respectively. Think about it.
Also begs the question. If I am a TV Sub where TV is delivered via IP. Am I going to be considered a Bandwidth Hog if I leave 2 or 3 TV's on 20 hrs a day, but only use Internet data for Email and Web purchases? |
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Agreed. I fall under the HOG category, and resent the implication. I am only using what I am paying for, I have a 5/512 connection and I use my 56/512 connection. |
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said by TechSponge: If I am a TV Sub where TV is delivered via IP. Am I going to be considered a Bandwidth Hog if I leave 2 or 3 TV's on 20 hrs a day, but only use Internet data for Email and Web purchases? nope
the bandwidth that ISP's generally care about is the stuff clogging the big transit pipes between providers
the stuff that just flows on their own self contained network is just the cost of hardware (not hardware, plus transfer fees, plus redundant external links, etc etc)
there's generally lots of bandwidth on an ISP's network, it's just the pipes that link the ISP's together that has the bottleneck AND the highest cost to maintain |
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 halfbandPremium
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Huntsville, AL
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said by haplo2112:I fall under the HOG category, and resent the implication. I am only using what I am paying for, I have a 5/512 connection and I use my 56/512 connection. Actually better for you is that the light users are subsidising your connection. You are using what you pay for + some of what they pay for. Excellent deal for you  , much better than the cost of a high bandwidth dedicated line.
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don't forget only a foolish isp would think that the number of "hogs" is not going to increase.
These stats are meaningless |
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 roamer1sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA | reply to Tikker_LoS
said by Tikker_LoS:the bandwidth that ISP's generally care about is the stuff clogging the big transit pipes between providers ...hence why most ISPs try to peer (vs. using transit) when possible. Of course, most consumer ISPs have very lopsided traffic patterns (lots of traffic in, relatively little traffic out) that scare away a lot of potential peering partners, and some have only regional networks which don't get anywhere near the major peering points, which leaves a lot of them stuck using transit for most sites.
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Most of the stuff "people" seem interested in is what isn't already available (or we'd sorta be content with our cable tv).
Isn't it incumbent on the ISPs to figure out methods to get that traffic on net (partnering/caching etc)?
Then again, that won't play too well for the charging for content when the BOCs (VZ/T) get into content distribution over their IP networks.
Doesn't seem to be a market ISPs (non incumbent-owned) really have a place in long term.
Then again..it's always more than the cost of hardware...
it's sales, marketing, support and corporate operations...
Course the latter might be considered an add-on compliance type fee.
The game certainly changes when the ISP is our local Cable and Telco.  |
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said by Tikker_LoS:said by inteller:They should just be happy not all their customers are "bandwidth hogs" ok, sparky! having an idea of the profile of your customers lets you build out your network accordingly And letting your customers continue developing their customer profiles to continue developing your network stinks, right?
It stink being in a business where customers can't be pegged to a static demand...makes sense that the industry keeps consolidating and migrating toward a TV model! |
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Tell us why the customer cares about how the business model is developed?
Last time I checked, Frito Lay didn't tell me that I had to buy two bags of chips because they priced it at 99 cents per "Big Bag" if I buy 2, with the presumption that I'd buy 2
bags.
Bringing it back to DSL...last I heard from Ed Whitacre,
us DSL customers are only buying bandwidth to the terminal.
(too lazy too find the quote, but DSL subs can certainly
check their contracts with their telephone company ISP
affiliate).
In summary, why does anyone care about the business plan?
I was educated to believe competitive markets meet the need of customers, never heard of customers caring about the the business plans of the competitors. |
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said by inteller:Who cares? I find it offending that people who actually USE what they pay for are considered "hogs" Actually, with most residential ISPs, you aren't paying for "bandwidth", you are paying for speed. ISPs plan network capacity on some usage averaging algorithm, and high bandwidth users knock those algorithms into the proverbial "Cocked Hat".
When you hit your provider's maximum bandwidth capacity, you kill the Internet for your neighbors. That's when your provider steps in with those Ellacoya boxes, and the like.
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HallPremium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
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said by xsiddalx:Tell us why the customer cares about how the business model is developed? Part of their business plan includes "how much will we charge customers and still make a profit ?". If they designed their model based on each customer using 100% of their plan's ratings, 24/7/365, the network guys would have to build a much larger network. That costs more... The accounting people say "we need to make a min "X" % profit, per customer, per month". The sales/marketing people say "50% of our customers are willing to pay no more than "A" dollars per month. 40% will pay "B" dollars per month. 10% will pay "C" dollars per month." If they run the numbers and can't make the req'd profit, they walk away and not offer the service.
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Umm...Yeah, you do realize that speed and volume are different forms of measurement right? |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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The people who design and manage ISP networks already know that 5% of their customers generate X amount of traffic. They don't need a company who markets traffic shaping equipment to tell them that.
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