MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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League City, TX
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| Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
They only do what most of us would do. Because its their job and they get paid just like every one else. Is it wrong? Yes but I believe sometimes its necessary to do things to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet.
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ronpin
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Nirvana
 ·AT&T Southwest
1 edit | Look at your Cell Phone...
Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. »news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| said by ronpin  :Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. » news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html Your quoted article mentions nothing of at&t but instead Nextel and the first sentence says "and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials". How does at&t have anything to do with this? |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
3 edits | reply to MysticGogeta
Re: Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
said by MysticGogeta :They only do what most of us would do. Because its their job and they get paid just like every one else. Is it wrong? Yes but I believe sometimes its necessary to do things to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet. FYI the FBI is setting a precedent..
Today they use it on to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet; but tomorrow it's to arrest your ass because they don't like what you put/look at on the internet.
IMO who cares what congress thinks (their job is to listen to the uninformed public, and let the FBI continue privacy invasion)... This should be brought before the Supreme court so they can put the FBI back in their place...
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BIGMIKE
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA
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Re: Look at your Cell Phone...
said by ronpin :Most of us carry an open mic for the FBI -- right in our shirt pockets. Turning on your cell phone remotely is trivial -- and AT&T has given the feds carte-blanche to do it anytime. 1984 was 20 years late. » news.com.com/2100-1029-6140191.html
Who's buying cell phone records online? Cops
Net sellers tell Congress they supply law enforcement officials with call lists »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12534959/
Looking For Cell Records?
»www.locatecell.com/
Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon has obtained a court order to prevent an Internet business and its owners from offering to sell the records of cell phone customers in Missouri.
»www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2···ell.html
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
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Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
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said by Cod :Your quoted article mentions nothing of at&t but instead Nextel and the first sentence says "and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials". How does at&t have anything to do with this? If you read the article more closely you'll note that Moto Razr phones are cited. Nextel has no Razr phones. Couple that with AT&T's NSA friendly "open database" -- and you'll see how simple it is for the Feds to access your cell phone. In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk. I know it'd be even easier to open your cell phone mic (you sound offended for AT&T?)
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
2 edits | said by ronpin :If you read the article more closely you'll note that Moto Razr phones are cited. Nextel has no Razr phones. Couple that with AT&T's NSA friendly "open database" -- and you'll see how simple it is for the Feds to access your cell phone. So basically you are going on a conspiracy theory then, correct?
And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..." |
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ronpin
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Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
| said by Cod :And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..." I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you)
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AnonDOG
@freeantennas.com
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In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk.
Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected.
Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it.  |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
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Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
2 edits | said by AnonDOG :Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected. Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it. Part of my job was to verify the integrity of the text messages (i.e. garbled or not) As long as nobody recorded them we were within normal maint. guidelines. We never saw any ID's either(there were some funny pages though -- like "your wife is on to us...")
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to ronpin
said by ronpin :said by Cod :And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..." I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you) So the whole Nextel cell article you quoted saying as fact that it was at&t is actually a conspiracy theory of yours. Well done. Join the other 80% of BBR members spreading FUD here. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
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Nirvana
·AT&T Southwest
1 edit | said by Cod : ..I sure hope they don't pay you for this (deflecting facts to "conspiracies" is a bit sophomoric yes?)
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jarthur31
join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM
| reply to MysticGogeta
Re: Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
Only in a totalitarian regime would that be "legal". Not in a democratic republic!!!
What we ought to do is change the justice system so that all are considered guilty before proven innocent to conform to that scary way of thinking.
Go after the criminals only not 100% of society.
I don't think you would like it if anyone assumed your parents/granparents, nieces/nephews, are felons without just cause. |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to ronpin
Re: Look at your Cell Phone...
said by ronpin :said by Cod :And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..." I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you) makes me long for the days of attorney general john ashcroft... |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
| reply to AnonDOG
said by AnonDOG : quote:
In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk.
Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected. Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it. it all comes down to who can sell the interpretive value of any of these statutes in order to obtain a warrant or proceed without one... you guys are to busy trying to be the 'letter of the law' hall monitors and it's failing and it makes you look childish... i can see most of you now, "BUT THE LAW SAYS XYZ!!!" well, yeah it does little kid, but how you bend it or manipulate it to whatever ends is what counts... get a clue... |
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Asmodeus
join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA
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Re: Of corse its illegal do they care? No.
said by Warez_Zealot :said by MysticGogeta :They only do what most of us would do. Because its their job and they get paid just like every one else. Is it wrong? Yes but I believe sometimes its necessary to do things to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet. FYI the FBI is setting a precedent.. Today they use it on to prevent a terrorist or a psychotic killer or a sexual predator from running loose on the internet; but tomorrow it's to arrest your ass because they don't like what you put/look at on the internet. IMO who cares what congress thinks (their job is to listen to the uninformed public, and let the FBI continue privacy invasion)... This should be brought before the Supreme court so they can put the FBI back in their place... which branch of government do you think the FBI belongs in...? there are only three and they are all autonomous... pick... |
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan
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Warez_Zealot
Rural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan | reply to Asmodeus
They still have to follow the constitution.. No one is above the right of the individual.. |
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AnonDOG
@kaballero.com
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Re: Look at your Cell Phone...
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i can see most of you now, "BUT THE LAW SAYS XYZ!!!" well, yeah it does little kid, but how you bend it or manipulate it to whatever ends is what counts... get a clue...
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Hmmm... Well there is a real experienced observation.
I am not a little kid, and considering the wisdom and courtesy with which he responded to me, neither is he.
You, on the other hand, have demonstrated exactly what you are and it is not necessary for me to explain it to anyone.
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