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ronpin
Imagine Reality

join:2002-12-06
Nirvana

reply to Cod
Re: Look at your Cell Phone...

said by Cod See Profile :

Your quoted article mentions nothing of at&t but instead Nextel and the first sentence says "and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials". How does at&t have anything to do with this?
If you read the article more closely you'll note that Moto Razr phones are cited. Nextel has no Razr phones. Couple that with AT&T's NSA friendly "open database" -- and you'll see how simple it is for the Feds to access your cell phone. In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk. I know it'd be even easier to open your cell phone mic (you sound offended for AT&T?)
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America has been hijacked by selfish nationalist corporate pigs. The whole world hates us now. Have a nice day.

Cod

join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC


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said by ronpin See Profile :

If you read the article more closely you'll note that Moto Razr phones are cited. Nextel has no Razr phones. Couple that with AT&T's NSA friendly "open database" -- and you'll see how simple it is for the Feds to access your cell phone.
So basically you are going on a conspiracy theory then, correct?

And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..."


ronpin
Imagine Reality

join:2002-12-06
Nirvana

said by Cod See Profile :

And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..."
I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you)
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America has been hijacked by selfish nationalist corporate pigs. The whole world hates us now. Have a nice day.


AnonDOG

@freeantennas.com

reply to ronpin
quote:
In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk.

Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected.

Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it.


ronpin
Imagine Reality

join:2002-12-06
Nirvana


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said by AnonDOG :

Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected.

Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it.
Part of my job was to verify the integrity of the text messages (i.e. garbled or not) As long as nobody recorded them we were within normal maint. guidelines. We never saw any ID's either(there were some funny pages though -- like "your wife is on to us...")
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America has been hijacked by selfish nationalist corporate pigs. The whole world hates us now. Have a nice day.

Cod

join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC

reply to ronpin
said by ronpin See Profile :

said by Cod See Profile :

And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..."
I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you)
So the whole Nextel cell article you quoted saying as fact that it was at&t is actually a conspiracy theory of yours. Well done. Join the other 80% of BBR members spreading FUD here.


ronpin
Imagine Reality

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said by Cod See Profile :

..I sure hope they don't pay you for this (deflecting facts to "conspiracies" is a bit sophomoric yes?)
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America has been hijacked by selfish nationalist corporate pigs. The whole world hates us now. Have a nice day.

Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

reply to ronpin
said by ronpin See Profile :

said by Cod See Profile :

And you conveniently forgot to address: "...and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials..."
I kindly opted not to inform you that Attny. Gen. Gonzales is in trouble for that very thing. WARRANTS are required from a judge -- not "top U.S. Department of Justice officials". That's what the whole NSA illegal wiretapping snafu is all about (please don't make me spoon-feed you)
makes me long for the days of attorney general john ashcroft...

Asmodeus

join:2004-05-26
Spring Valley, CA

reply to AnonDOG
said by AnonDOG :

quote:
In 1996 I used to watch pager text messages flow across a certain companies admin desk.

Digital pager traffic is protected under the same statute that cellular telephone traffic is protected.

Therefore we must assume that you had a Title-III to monitor that pager traffic? If you didn't it might not be prudent to talk too loudly about it.
it all comes down to who can sell the interpretive value of any of these statutes in order to obtain a warrant or proceed without one... you guys are to busy trying to be the 'letter of the law' hall monitors and it's failing and it makes you look childish... i can see most of you now, "BUT THE LAW SAYS XYZ!!!" well, yeah it does little kid, but how you bend it or manipulate it to whatever ends is what counts... get a clue...


AnonDOG

@kaballero.com

quote:
i can see most of you now, "BUT THE LAW SAYS XYZ!!!" well, yeah it does little kid, but how you bend it or manipulate it to whatever ends is what counts... get a clue...
[/qoute]

Hmmm... Well there is a real experienced observation.

I am not a little kid, and considering the wisdom and courtesy with which he responded to me, neither is he.

You, on the other hand, have demonstrated exactly what you are and it is not necessary for me to explain it to anyone.

Ta Ta


AnonDOG

@kaballero.com

reply to ronpin
quote:
Part of my job was to verify the integrity of the text messages (i.e. garbled or not) As long as nobody recorded them we were within normal maint. guidelines.

... ah ...

The maintenance exclusion, yes I know that one. Very well. I always found it interesting that that exclusion existed. You are golden so long as you don't document in any way the content of the communications.



BTW, are we children? I hear a gnat whining something about children.
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