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hadirtyJlo

join:2004-03-31
Elk Grove, CA
reply to devnuller

Re: Unlimited Bandwidth Entitlement - Who pays?

If the lease you signed said "Water included with rent" and did not specify any kind of limit, then yes, you should be able to run the water 24/7 with no reprecussions.

If the landlord was willing to sit down and talk with me about the costs, I feel we could come to a fair agreement based on an estimated average that was based on tests performed in the house on the tap for actual water usage/hour. In that case, yes, I would be willing to pay per cubic foot.

The metering system shouldn't even be considered unless things got so bad that others weren't even getting any water. After that, if the landlord decided to put in a metering system, the people living in the condo would either help pay for it, as it *might* benefit the entire condo, or move. Metering the top 5% is not fair, as someone could keep their usage down to a minimum for a few months, then surge upwards after being considered "safe."

No, every single all you can eat buffet I've ever been to has stated on the menu that it is "All-you-can-eat in one sitting," thereby implying per day. If you feel you can sit there for 12 hours and eat, then it is considered one sitting. Coming back the next day is considered a second sitting.

If I owned this restaraunt and had a few people eating 100x the norm, I wouldn't say anything to them. Everyone's eating habits are different, and you can not refuse service to someone based on their eating habits.

I feel that if you can be assured of your friends and neighbors to not be idiots and spam up the world with emails and virii off of your network, then there's no problem opening up your router. No where have I read that your home connection can't be used by 1000 people as long as they're within the confines of the property.

This last one is a bit of a sticker, as by opening up you could just mean allowing to stream, which isn't illegal as long as you don't charge for the service. If you mean allowing others to download, keep and walk away, then no, you shouldn't be allowed to. However, how do you know that they're not just testing it out? Maybe they just want to see the movie to see what it is like before buying it? You don't really know, and you can't be truly sure that they aren't lying to you. Like I said, a sticker, as it takes more details to actually understand what you meant by your original question.

For the motorcycle, as long as you're wearing the proper protection and hitting up a track, feel free to keep it wide open 24/7. On the road is another matter, as there are clearly posted speed limits.

I'm not necessarily a proponent of full unlimited use. I've experienced my share of slowdowns, whether from others clogging my node or just crappy service. I am a proponent of getting what you paid for though, and using it for essentially whatever I want as long as it's not illegal. I won't deny downloading movies, everyone does it. However, I did a few tests over the last 4 months I've had Comcast. Months that I didn't download ripped DVD's and a few software titles, I topped out around 220GB total usage. This from streaming very high quality game videos, hitting up my normal video sites, doing my online gaming, downloading legal movies, music, and TV shows, and running a streaming video service that I work with that requires me to stream a 555Kbps a/v stream about 14 hours a day when I'm working, and up to 20 hours a day when I'm not working for quality issues. The months I did download movies and other dubious items I hit 300GB. However, I do limit myself as to both my upload and my download on my torrents, especially during peak times between about 5pm and midnight. I guess you could say I'm a courteous hog.

DJ


CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
Premium
join:2004-11-12
said by hadirtyJlo:

The metering system shouldn't even be considered unless things got so bad that others weren't even getting any water. After that, if the landlord decided to put in a metering system, the people living in the condo would either help pay for it, as it *might* benefit the entire condo, or move. Metering the top 5% is not fair, as someone could keep their usage down to a minimum for a few months, then surge upwards after being considered "safe."
DJ
Metering the water ( and these off topic/on topic analogies get silly because they we argue analogies rather then the actual issue )only if your usage stopped other people from getting water is silly. ( although with Bnadwidth this is what is done and why its done )

I lived in an apartment growing up my whole life. The landlord would raise the rent every year based on the "water" included.
"Do you have a leak? The water has been rising lately, Ill have to raise the rent to offset the cost"
Obviously we never used excessive water but its the excuse he used.
Stating he could "Meter it" only if your use affected others is not a good arguement. Since he is essentially paying for it he can meter it whenever the hell he feels he is no longer coming out ahead or breaking even.

All your counter points are valid unless YOU YOURSELF are the one providing the service based on an average. Once that average is contested over a long period of time things need to change to stay in business.

What a lot of people tend to forget is your bandwidth or any service isnt being provided by a kindly uncle. Its provided by a company who needs to generate revenue, keep a healthy running system and keep as many customers happy and running as possible. Threaten any of those and measures will be taken.
Paint it any way you want. If I knock on your neighbors door and say "Pssst, Im kicking unit 103 off our service because his abusive use is affecting you and your neighbors" they would shake my hand and probably offer to buy me lunch.
Unit 103 will run to the internet and post a YOUTUBE video about it making crazy claims about unlimited use and how he told them to SCREW OFF and kept his bandwidth usage as high as ever until they kicked him off.

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL_IrjQoLK0

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hadirtyJlo

join:2004-03-31
Elk Grove, CA
Oh trust me, I know that bandwidth isn't provided by a kindly uncle, (which I never had ), but at the same time, the bandwidth providers have the knowledge and the financial ability to not oversell the node, and to allow a lot of leeway when it comes to bandwidth usage. I'm not trying to defend the 600GB users, even for me that's excessive, what I am trying to defend are people that get nicked for only using half that in 90% legal ways. I also try to defend people that use a lot of bandwidth legitimately and get blasted by everyone and their mother because, "no one could use over 100GB a month unless they're downloading porn or warezomgzors!" I just get tired of hearing everyone scream about it over and over again.

In all honesty, I've had fewer problems with Comcast than I did with Cox, and the sliding caps are higher with Comcast than with Cox. My main problem right now is that my file server isn't up and running, so I don't have a lot of space to put things. That and I've got most of what I wanted. Even so, I burn through 200GB of bandwidth a month, legally, and I don't need some pundit thinking he's god's gift to these forums crapping on me for it. (not referring to you cabletool)

Even if I was the one providing the service, I feel that everyone should get as good of a deal as possible. Maybe not the best way to run a business, but I was brought up to believe that happy customers = steady customers. Happy customers also usually understand if you have to raise rates for one thing or another, as long as there is a clear reason for it. If the person in Unit 103 didn't read his ToS/AUP, or was just a complete jackass, then yes, it's justified. If he just happened to get caught in the crossfire of something bigger than him, or something that might not have been 100% fair, then a step back needs to be taken and things need to be looked at closer. I haven't actually watched that video yet, but I've seen it posted 4 times today, must be good. Off to work I go, I'll check this when I get home in 11 hours.

DJ

pharma7

join:2004-02-06
Princeton Junction, NJ
said by hadirtyJlo:

Even so, I burn through 200GB of bandwidth a month, legally, and I don't need some pundit thinking he's god's gift to these forums crapping on me for it.
Thanks for your comments and honesty! Just want you to know you're not the only one tired of the "crapping" that goes on at these forums!!


dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
reply to hadirtyJlo
Ok, you burn through 200GB legally. Cool!

What say you about the ones we get here that chew through 500GB+

Are they doing it legally as well?
Are they justified in complaining when they are asked to cut back and get irate with the Service Rep?

While there is no hard limits, you doing 200GB *shouldn't* garner that "Call".
What do you think is a reasonable limit a provider shoud set/warn it's customers when they are degrading service for others?

When do you think a person should consider a comercial account for their usage needs?

Thanks!
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CableTool
Poorly Representing MYSELF.
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join:2004-11-12

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reply to hadirtyJlo
said by hadirtyJlo:

I don't need some pundit thinking he's god's gift to these forums crapping on me for it. (not referring to you cabletool)

Theres a SECOND Gods gift to this forum@@@!???!!DSfsdafasd

WTF!
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MadMANN3
Premium
join:2005-08-19
kudos:2

1 recommendation

said by CableTool:

Theres a SECOND Gods gift to this forum@@@!???!!DSfsdafasd

WTF!
Ummm, hello!!?


Cabal
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join:2007-01-21
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reply to hadirtyJlo
said by hadirtyJlo:

If the lease you signed said "Water included with rent" and did not specify any kind of limit, then yes, you should be able to run the water 24/7 with no reprecussions.


Morty7
Premium
join:2004-09-18

1 recommendation

reply to CableTool
said by CableTool:

said by hadirtyJlo:

I don't need some pundit thinking he's god's gift to these forums crapping on me for it. (not referring to you cabletool)

Theres a SECOND Gods gift to this forum@@@!???!!DSfsdafasd

WTF!
But I didn't even post!

TellyT

join:2007-02-07
canada

1 recommendation

reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:

Ok, you burn through 200GB legally. Cool!

While there is no hard limits, you doing 200GB *shouldn't* garner that "Call".
What do you think is a reasonable limit a provider should set/warn it's customers when they are degrading service for others?
Every ISP monitors bandwidth. Comcast, like many others, does not publish exact figures. If and when a rep calls to tell you these unpublished limits have been exceeded, do not argue with them. You may want to ask how high your usage has been and for how long. If you think threatening legal action will somehow intimidate them, think again.

Comcast has no legal obligation to offer you service. If you doubt what I'm saying, tell the rep to buzz off and hire a lawyer.


dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
EXACTLY!

The ones that come here crying about getting "The Call" for degrading the network... well, deal with it!
Back off! Whatever amount you did use was hurting that local market, hence "The Call".

Bitching? Threats? Telling the CS rep to go get f***ed? DUH!
Not quite the smartest move to make...

ROFL!!!
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hadirtyJlo

join:2004-03-31
Elk Grove, CA
While I agree that yelling and screaming at the CSR isn't the best line to take, the CSR's don't have to be rude or threatening either. The second I get a call from someone at Comcast about my usage, he's being placed on hold long enough for me to get a mic set up so I can record the call and send it in, assuming he's as much of an asshole as the ones that call people who post on here are. If he's not, I'll say so in a post. I don't feel that will happen though, given the track record of the calls I've seen. The CSR's that do "The Call" need to understand that the people their calling are human beings too. You yell at me I'm gonna yell right back, and I guarantee my voice is louder. Seven years working in the engine room of an aircraft carrier and having to make myself be heard above the noise of a couple of 70,000HP steam turbines will make a man of your voice in a hurry.

DJ


dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
kudos:18
Doesn't matter to me either way! Do whatever you want!

I will never get that "Call".

YMMV.
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