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2 edits | Go figure... BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes.
The big question I have:
Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle?
In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court.
They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. | |
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| Re: Go figure... said by thender2  :said by Jerm :Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Very simple. Canada > US Canada > * Fixed it for ya ! | |
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| Re: Go figure... said by TigerLord :Fixed it for ya ! His ignorance, stupidity and bad case of the "morans" didn't even dignify his post with a direct reply.
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| Re: Go figure... said by AnotherAnon :
A big reason why CDN ISP's are first to throttle these protocols is cuz it's not really illegal to download digital content here; so therefore damn near everyone does it regularly. When you get into the States people are so fearful of the **IA's that most people abstain. You, sir, deserve a gold star. You hit the nail right on the head. Though, I would argue, that it happens in the USA just as often, only that users are afraid to admit the legal liability of using P2P software and therefore won't speak up when something "illegal" works poorly.
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Wilmington, DE | Re: Go figure... I'm from the US. I don't know a single person who doesn't pirate. Try again. | |
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| Re: Go figure... said by eco :I'm from the US. I don't know a single person who doesn't pirate. Try again. I'm sure you and all kiddies get home from school every day and are right on to your favourite torrent sites. Can you say the same of every Tom Dick and Harry, from the mothers to the 85-year old Grandfathers? Can you say that 70% of the population has high-speed Internet to actually make use of such wonderful services as bittorrent? I just tried again, looks like you need to do some work.
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1 edit | Re: Go figure... said by Snickerdo :...looks like you need to do some homework. Father stands at son's door...yelling.
"Did you get your HOMEWORK done yet??!!"
"I'm downloading doing research online."
"You need to GET OFF THE DAMN INTERNET and finish your homework!!"
Father walks away, mumbling to himself "When I was a kid..." mumble, mumble...
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| As of Sept. 2006 over 76% of internet subscribers in the US were broadband subscribers. Maybe I can't say 70% of the total population, but then again, my country has 10 times as many people as you with a MUCH larger rural population percentage. Our broadband subscriber total does however equal to 2 and a half times your total population.
Oh, and it's a shame so much of that 70% of your population has to put with with bandwidth throttling and data caps that we don't have to deal with. | |
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1 edit | Re: Go figure... said by eco :Oh, and it's a shame so much of that 70% of your population has to put with with bandwidth throttling and data caps that we don't have to deal with. Hah, but see, you have no proof to show that Canadians have to deal with data caps and throttling exclusively, and just the same you have no proof that Americans aren't dealing with this already. In fact, to the contrary, I regularly see people bitching and moaning about 'hidden' Comcast caps - is not Comcast the largest cable company in the USA with the most cable subscribers, in a similar market position as Rogers is in Canada? Looks like you lose there, buddy. Your argument, for the most part, is all conjecture. That in itself throws your 'argument' to the wind. Claiming that poor ISP practises don't affect the US is stupidity at its finest.
Last I had read, our adoption rate among Internet subscribers was over 80%, with 60% of the total overall population using broadband. We had the same level of broadband penetration back in 2003 that the USA has now. It's just the way the game is played, and we're starting to tap out our subscriber base. Bitch and moan all you want, but when it comes to availability we're in a better position than the USA and as a result more users have made the switch. Our rural populations are almost identical - USA is 21%, Canada is 20%, so you lose that argument right there, and I highly recommend you do some research into the demographics of each country. Both countries are expected to top out at around 80% based on the number of users who 'want' Internet access. That's just the way it is. No need to get into a pissing match about it.
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| said by AnotherAnon :
STFU. A big reason why CDN ISP's are first to throttle these protocols is cuz it's not really illegal to download digital content here; so therefore damn near everyone does it regularly. When you get into the States people are so fearful of the **IA's that most people abstain.
I'm not afraid I download every day and I dislike Canada because I thought there people I met there were extremely rude.
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| Re: Go figure... said by MysticGogeta :I'm not afraid I download every day and I dislike Canada because I thought there people I met there were extremely rude. You of all people, being from Texas, should probably put your money where your mouth is and keep quiet when talking about labelling an entire culture/region just because of the way a few people think/act. Way to stereotype people because of a bad experience, tex.
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| Re: Go figure... said by MysticGogeta :First impressions leave a impact you of all people should understand that until I'm proven wrong. If we're going to stick to the sterotypes...
Why the hell should I believe anything a stupid ignorant Texan says? If you brought your Texan superiority attitude with you to Canada, you deserved everything you got. Don't come back, we don't want you here.
... did you enjoy that? No? Exactly. Smarten up.
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| Re: Go figure... uhuh...
New york state has pretty much the same weather as the toronto region, where are you in canada?
"crap health care system"? Could be worse.. could have a system that leaves people "out in the cold" so to speak. You've got more than 40 million people without health insurance.
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| Re: Go figure... said by Jerm :BT was bound to lose this one. If nothing else, it's always been easy to detect BT traffic just because of all the connections it makes. The big question I have: Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? In the good ol' USofA we need to get some Net Neutrality laws on the books so if my Charter ever decides to pull something like this I can whoop their @ss in court. They should really be calling it "filtered" Internet access. Net neutrality will not stop ISP's from blocking protocols. Net neutrality laws will only apply to discrimination "by site or company". If a protocol block is applied evenly to all companies it will pass legal muster. But feel free to sue away. I hope you are very rich in order to pay the lawyer.
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| Re: Go figure... said by thender2 :Another TCH anti-fair post. Yeah, but for once he is totally right in what he stated. (unless you posted on the wrong post of his)
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| Re: Go figure... said by RayW :said by thender2 :Another TCH anti-fair post. Yeah, but for once he is totally right in what he stated. (unless you posted on the wrong post of his) For once? I am almost always right. It is just that most here don't like the answers, even when they are correct. 
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| Re: Go figure... Right? Hardly... If you READ the net neutrality laws, they specifically PREVENT the ISP from blocking any LEGAL APPLICATION. That could be web browsing, that could be ftp, that could be bittorrent.
"Just as telephone companies are not permitted to tell consumers who they can call or what they can say, broadband carriers should not be allowed to use their market power to control activity online."
If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP.
»www.google.com/help/netneutrality.html
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| Re: Go figure... said by karlmarx :If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP. They're shaping, not blocking. Big difference legally.
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| said by karlmarx :Right? Hardly... If you READ the net neutrality laws, they specifically PREVENT the ISP from blocking any LEGAL APPLICATION. That could be web browsing, that could be ftp, that could be bittorrent. Please provide a link to the "net neutrality laws". All I saw on the google link was speculation of what might happen.
said by karlmarx :If THAT's the definition of net neutrality, then it most certainly means the ISP CANNOT block bittorrent, any more than the ISP can block HTTP. ISPs are not common carriers in the sense that telephone companies are. ISPs can do pretty much whatever they want to within the bounds of the contract that you agreed to.
I like your thinking to the extent that I should be able to run my own web server and email server...but both are blocked on the ATT network. Then again, my terms of service state I can't run a server..grrr. | |
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| Net neutrality will not stop ISP's from blocking protocols. Net neutrality laws will only apply to discrimination "by site or company". If a protocol block is applied evenly to all companies it will pass legal muster. But feel free to sue away. I hope you are very rich in order to pay the lawyer.
To be fair, it's difficult to saw what net neutrality laws will apply too, if they ever exist.
That said...people need to read their contracts when they sign on for a year or two with any ISP, especially with an ISP affiliated with a local utility. Just because they don't enforce a contract term today doesn't mean that they won't tomorrow.
Funny how we all run around in a fantasy land about what we consider "internet access".
Perhaps we, as customers, need to define "internet access" and compare it to the contracts we committed to! Should be telling at the least! | |
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| said by Jerm :Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Oh please, it happens in the USA just as much, and it certainly does not happen with every provider in Canada. It's just that...
a) Studies have shown that Canadian users are more tech-savvy and take notice of stuff like this.
b) Canadian users expect top-notch service, and don't consider poor performance 'the norm' and will bitch and moan quite loudly until it is fixed.
c) Canadian users don't live in fear of the MPAA and RIAA sending them a lawsuit to ruin their life, nor do they consider sharing files a 'moral' issue, and therefore are much more open about the way they use P2P programs and how they perform.
c) We know how to voice our concerns in such a way that people take notice.
Anyone who thinks that this isn't happening in the USA is specific to only Canadian is more naive then one would originally assume.
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| said by Jerm :The big question I have: Why is it always these Canadian Cable ISPs that trottle? Agreed. The thing is in Canada, people don't sue like they do in the states. We have no balls to stand up to the big CO's, and we are sheep that accept whats thrown to us.
However, seeing that we have rights here that protect what we can download which is different than in the states. I can see this slapping Rogers upside the head if people got together and made a class-action.
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| I just noticed this tonight...went to download a torrent, and the speed was messed! I usually get about 500-700KB/s and this time, it started off fast...then dropped to 150KB/s! And that was the highest I could get it...usually around 90KB/s now
I just installed SecureIX, so I'm seeing how that will help.
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