DFWDraco76
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join:2001-02-21
Plano, TX
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| reply to FriscoTX
Re: Mail Changes Coming!
I went ahead and switched mine too and it's working fine - this is in Outlook 2003.
What mail program are you using that you see this warning?
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jimkyle
Btrieve Guy
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join:2002-10-20
Oklahoma City, OK
 ·AT&T Southwest
| reply to koma3504
FWIW I switched to the SSL ports a couple of days ago, using "The Bat!" as my mail client (it calls the ports TLS rather than SSL) and AVG Pro 7.5's plug-in for TB! as an active scanner.
It's still detecting "greeting card.exe" as being suspicious, and quarantining it. Apparently at least one AV package is doing things right (perhaps it's hooking into the mail client AFTER the packets have been decrypted, rather than tapping into the stream between mail client and WAN)... |
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koma3504
Advocate
Premium
join:2004-06-22
North Richland Hills, TX
| Well this is good to know. But how many free A/V soulutions will let you do this. Which alot of people use the free stuff.
It would also be good to know which of all the A/V programs free and paid will let you do ssl pop scanning.
Like I rember back when worldnet account was the only email i had the A/V that i currantly use was able to scan all incoming email. Then all of a sudden it quit working.
If i rember correctly it was using 127.0.0.1 localhost to do this.
I have spent alot of time changing stuff from my worlnett account to be sent to my Att/sbc account for that reason and now it looks like i will have to be going though that pianfull proccess agian.
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KC_User
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| "I did try it and I receive an warning on the Security Cert. name does not match."
Change the server name to get rid of the "sbcblobal" and add "att". EG: pop.att.yahoo.com & smtp.att.yahoo.com.
As far as adding ssl to email retrieval and sending is concerned, one benefit would be secure email when using a public wi-fi. |
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Flippant
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join:2000-06-04
Katy, TX
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AT&T Southwest
| reply to jimkyle
said by jimkyle :FWIW I switched to the SSL ports a couple of days ago, using "The Bat!" as my mail client (it calls the ports TLS rather than SSL) and AVG Pro 7.5's plug-in for TB! as an active scanner. Apparently it also works in AVG free as well... »forum.grisoft.cz/freeforum/read.···22,64298 |
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FriscoTX
join:2002-10-11
Frisco, TX
1 edit | KC_User, thanks for the solution. Thats what I get for skimming the post and just remembering the port numbers. |
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d_l
Barsoom
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join:2002-12-08
Reno, NV
| reply to nwrickert
The directions/instructions for this SSL change over do not HAVE to be restricted just email client POP and SMTP settings. There CAN be alternative setting changes listed for other situations. Geez, Worldnet has an incredible array of elaborate set up instructions for almost every possible situation. AT&T (SBC) owns Worldnet now and wouldn't have to start their instruction set from scratch.
That is unless Yahoo is writing these help instructions. Then maybe there is a reason for the limits of these help pages.  |
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ReneeRC
join:2002-08-08
Ballwin, MO
| reply to manfmmd
I have Apple Mail and I was able to do all the stuff you listed EXCEPT that I don't know where/how to do item #6:
6. Change the POP3 port to 995 and check the option labeled Use an encrypted connection (SSL).
POP3 port? Is this the port that is 110 right now? If it isn't, then how do I change this POP3 port? I can't find it.
Thanks.
Oh, and I didn't get an email saying anything about this either.  |
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nwrickert
sand groper
Premium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL | Yes, the POP3 port is the port that is normally 110.
No, I haven't received mail about this yet either. I'm beginning to think I won't. Maybe they aren't mailing to people who mainly use the webmail interface. |
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jimkyle
Btrieve Guy
Premium
join:2002-10-20
Oklahoma City, OK
·AT&T Southwest
| And I've not received any official Email -- and I hardly ever use the web interface. Nevertheless I think that changing over to SSL is probably a good thing to do. Now if I can just figure out how to configure POPFILE and Avast Home to work with it. My own installation is working nicely, but my wife prefers Outlook Express, POPFILE, and Avast -- and that combination won't quite cut it with SSL/TLS at the moment because of the encryption.
One solution would be to remove the "internet mail scanner" module from Avast and let the "resident shield" do all the work, and that may be what I do... |
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ReneeRC
join:2002-08-08
Ballwin, MO | reply to nwrickert
Thanks. I've changed the stuff, and my Apple Mail is working just fine now.  |
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jonrkc
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Kansas City, MO
1 edit | reply to manfmmd
I'm in Kansas City. I followed the instructions (by the way, I too did not receive any email with them, but then I think ATT fails to deliver approx. 1/3 of my email).
I changed both pop3 and smtp settings, and I can receive mail with the new settings, but not send. It just times out (no specific error message, just the one saying to check settings).
My smtp settings read port 465 and use SSL and smtp.att.yahoo.com as in these instructions. No go.
I tried changing back to port 587 and "use TSL if available" and smtpauth.sbcglobal.yahoo.com and that gave me an error message "Unable to connect." I had been using it fine (though very slow) earlier in the evening, in fact sent these very instructions to a friend moments before changing my own settings.
So now I cannot send email unless I go to webmail, which I assume will still work.
Any suggestions? Am I missing something?
Edit: I should add that I use Thunderbird email client. I came here to the forum because email was extremely slow and I wanted to see if there was trouble in Kansas City again. Then I found these instructions. |
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nwrickert
sand groper
Premium,MVM
join:2004-09-04
Geneva, IL
·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T Midwest
| ... and smtpauth.sbcglobal.yahoo.com ... For the old settings, use either "stmp.sbcglobal.yahoo.com" or "smtpauth.sbcglobal.net". You seem to have a name half way between the two, and that is causing your connection failure. |
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jonrkc
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Kansas City, MO
| Thanks, nwrickert. Moments before your reply, I found my old settings by searching in a backup I'd made yesterday. (It pays to back up!) (And to write things down before changing them.)
I changed back to smtpauth.sbcglobal.net and now I can send successfully. I am receiving with the new settings. I guess I'll try the new smtp settings now and then till they work, assuming the system is in the process of changeover and I was just unlucky with my timing.  |
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jimkyle
Btrieve Guy
Premium
join:2002-10-20
Oklahoma City, OK
·AT&T Southwest
| Are you using an external spam filter and/or an antivirus package that checks outgoing Email messages? I ran into serious problems trying to change my wife's system to the new servers although my own system changed over like clockwork.
Her system uses POPFile for spam filtering, and Avast Home (free) for virus scanning. I wound up killing the mail scanning modules of Avast, and upgrading her copy of POPFile to the newest version (0.22.4) plus grabbing the "addssl.zip" wizard to fully implement SSL compatibility.
With those modifications her system now sends and receives on the new servers, but getting to this point took most of two days and at one point every test of the new server setup disabled POPFile completely... |
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manfmmd
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Earth
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1 edit | reply to jonrkc
I'm not sure what to tell you. I just tried and successfully sent an email using the above instructions. Perhaps GB34 can post a screenshot of his/her config from Thunderbird.
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jonrkc
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Kansas City, MO
| reply to jimkyle
Wow... What fun I have to look forward to, eh?
I'm using Thunderbird on an Ubuntu Linux system, with no real-time antivirus checking in either direction. I checked my firewall settings (using Guarddog firewall management, as I am not going to spend the last of my few remaining days learning to manipulate IPTables by hand), and even with the firewall specifically set to allow port 465 (which it needn't even be, I believe), it wouldn't work.
So I'll try again now and then, and when I have a bit more time I'll try with the firewall disabled--I don't like to do that; Linux despite stupid comments to the contrary is NOT invulnerable to attacks.
Thanks for describing what you had to do. I may have to refer back to it for clues in this process.
I wonder why so many of us did not receive the email about the changes? |
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jimkyle
Btrieve Guy
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join:2002-10-20
Oklahoma City, OK
·AT&T Southwest
1 edit | Hey, iptables isn't nearly as hard to learn as the how-tos would make you think! On my LAN here I'm running Mandrake 8.1 on a very old Pentium 2 MMX 200-MHz box to serve as my router and firewall, and it runs a very tweaked set of iptables rules (based on Bastille) to lock everything down from the outside but nothing outbound gets trapped. For outbound security I run Kerio/Tiny 2.14 on each of the Win98 boxes.
The problems were on a freestanding XP box, and it's using Tiny 2.15 also for both directions. Somehow the rules for both Outlook and Outlook Express were set to deny all traffic, and that was the major problem. The one with POPFile did not show up until the firewall was corrected... |
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jonrkc
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Kansas City, MO
1 edit | I just got through testing again and there was an attempt to connect but it failed and timed out like last night. I captured the traffic stream using Ethereal and as usual failed to understand most of it, but there was a lot there about incorrect checksums and failed ACK's. There was no reference at all to smtp.att.yahoo.com, only to the pop3 server.
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Next step: disable firewall and try again.
EDIT a few minutes later: That did it. It's something with the firewall. I can fix that eventually.
Thanks for the suggestions and problem descriptions, everybody. |
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jonrkc
Premium
join:2003-05-19
Kansas City, MO
| Looks like the problem with my setup is that Guarddog does not have an option for SMTP via SSL. It has POP3 via SSL, and of course I have that enabled. But there's no way to enable SMTP over SSL. That is a serious problem for me... I don't want to operate without a firewall.
Any suggestion what I can do other than search via Google and post on linuxquestions.org? |
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