phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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Re: Nice gesture
said by madrhino  : When they start allowing elderly customers to keep their copper lines for emergencies after getting FIOS maybe I'll believe they aren't evil. Until then it will take more than this to convince me they aren't. Again, as mentioned in previous Verizon threads, it would be nice if they stopped ripping out the copper, and started using it to power their ONT device, instead of charging it to the customers bill, or relying on the customers power to always be on. Everyone knows the phone usually still works (land lines that is) when the power is out, and thats because the power is generated by the phone company. I feel, for the sake of emergency situations where power failure could take days to restore, that Verizon should use the old copper to power their equipment. It's not like I get to keep the ONT if I canceled, so why should I pay for the power going to the unit if I never had to pay for the power on my phone line before?
Am I wrong, or does this make sense??? It costs more to rip all that old copper out anyway (as in more time to pay a tech to remove it, and more waste of good wire).
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Copper is very valuable as raw metal scrap, currently. The whole aim is to eventually get rid of the old plant as I'm sure it costs them a good amount to maintain it, as well as the backup power system.
While it does seem kind of stupid not to keep at least a minimal pohone capacity for an extreme emergency, such as a nuke attack, I'm sure Verizon as well as other telcos will not be deterred since profit on our backs is the ultimate name of the game for them.
Then again, AT&T's plan of using their copper drops to deliver their service DOES leave this capability in place, interestingly enough. |
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Tzale
Proud Libertarian Conservative
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join:2004-01-06
Sweden
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said by phattieg :said by madrhino : When they start allowing elderly customers to keep their copper lines for emergencies after getting FIOS maybe I'll believe they aren't evil. Until then it will take more than this to convince me they aren't. Again, as mentioned in previous Verizon threads, it would be nice if they stopped ripping out the copper, and started using it to power their ONT device, instead of charging it to the customers bill, or relying on the customers power to always be on. Everyone knows the phone usually still works (land lines that is) when the power is out, and thats because the power is generated by the phone company. I feel, for the sake of emergency situations where power failure could take days to restore, that Verizon should use the old copper to power their equipment. It's not like I get to keep the ONT if I canceled, so why should I pay for the power going to the unit if I never had to pay for the power on my phone line before? Am I wrong, or does this make sense??? It costs more to rip all that old copper out anyway (as in more time to pay a tech to remove it, and more waste of good wire). Your logic is flawed....
That copper wire is worth so much that thieves have been ripping it off the poles and selling it as scrap metal. Copper is worth a lot of money, and it would be a waste for them to just power their network with it. The entire purpose behind going with FIOS is to GET RID of copper which is harder to maintain and more expensive.
They aren't ripping anyones copper out yet. It will probably be years before they even start doing that. You can request to keep your copper phone line if you want.
-Tzale
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Omne
join:2000-09-22
Dunbar, WV | reply to phattieg
by leaving the copper network then verizon also has to allow clec's to use it |
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zerog
join:2002-02-10
Dallas, TX | BINGO
ding ding ding
The amount of copper you get from 30-40m of 22-24 awg pair isn't worth the trouble for scrap value.
There are currently no laws requiring fair access to fiber, only copper. |
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