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c0de

join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA

reply to ctceo

Re: Funny.

Paranoid?

Also this technology you speak of, how would one go about a mirror image of what i do on my computer, is this a MS backdoor? Is this exclusive to certian OSes, if so I do not wish to use these products anymore. Or is this just a matter of the said agency tapping in like they do with a phone line, in which case I assume that if they are tapping your internet connection, they would not be able to get a mirror image but only be able to see what is transmitted over that line. And furthermore, if you are using AES encryption or Blowfish or some similar form of 128bit encryption, it would take even the most powerful super computers days to try and find a hash key, assuming they do not have your encryption key. Also most AES/Blowfish encryption is a much much high bit level, making it even harder for it to be cracked. So if you were using point-to-point encryption and VPN or any form of ipsec passthough, the feds would not be able to see what data was being transmitted, only that there is transmission (they wouldnt even be able to get header info or actual size value due to compression). And if they were to find the destination and find out what was coming off that end (out of the hundredes of outgoing/incoming data from different users) they would still have a hard time presenting a case proving it was you transmitting that data, even with the company testifying that you connected.

Ahrenl

join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA

It doesn't really matter... using torrent technology isn't illegal.. and downloading copyrighted material isn't criminal. It's only a civil infraction (supposedly/yet to actually be tested) and therefore, no big brother spying on you with an intent to do anything. The **AA's can sue people to infinity without any extra effort.. most people do nothing to protect themselves..



ctceo
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No paranoia, Just fact.

Mirroring is not OS dependent. It can be done under all but the most obscure OS's, and even then the data can be extracted, and decrypted nearly on the fly if necessary.

Decryption can be done nearly on the fly by Most governmental agencies. And here in the US, Encrypting data may be suspect and warrant inspection by such agencies. They do not need a warrant to do so either. The fourth amendment does not protect you.

Here's the abstract:

Does encrypting Internet communications create a reasonable expectation of privacy in their contents, triggering Fourth Amendment protection? At first blush, it seems that the answer must be yes: A reasonable person would surely expect that encrypted communications will remain private. In this paper, Professor Kerr explains why this intuitive answer is entirely wrong: Encrypting communications cannot create a reasonable expectation of privacy. The reason is that the Fourth Amendment regulates access, not understanding: no matter how unlikely it is that the government will successfully decrypt cipher text, the Fourth Amendment offers no protection if it succeeds. As a result, the government does not need a search warrant to decrypt encrypted communications. This surprising result is consistent with Fourth Amendment case law: it matches how courts have resolved cases involving the reassembly of shredded documents, recovery of deleted files, and the translation of foreign languages. The Fourth Amendment may regulate government access to cipher text, but it does not regulate government efforts to translate cipher text into plain text.

Courtesy: »72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:HoH···=5&gl=us

Other relative links:
»news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-530691.html

»www.tatanka.com/doc/technote/tn0035.htm

»www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/projects/ma···ant.html

This is all just the public view. If you choose to believe that the US (and maybe others) aren't already participating in this activity, under the covers, so to speak, then I'm sorry you feel that way, The truth can be painful, especially for those in denial".

Edit, VERY IMPORTANT LINK, DO NOT MISS:
»www.eff.org/Privacy/Surveillance···ysis.php



c0de

join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA

You have some very intresting sources here. And I have no doubt in my mind that the government monitors some communications via the internet and otherwise. The keyword here being SOME. How they get the authority to monitor the activity is irrelavant if they can't decode/decypher the content of what they are monitoring. And unfortunatly for the government it is very hard and takes a very long time to decrypt well encrypted data. Now if the government gets your 'password' then you are pretty much effed in the A. But if you use proper encryption it would take even the most advanced supercomputers in the world days if not weeks to decypher the key, and even then, depending on the amount of data and other factors, they would have to begin decyphering the data using the key in a reverse process (now this can be done on the fly, but only with the correct key).

But of course, all of this is totally irrelivant if you are not doing anything illegal. So encrypt away, even if the government is suspect and if they somehow figure out how to crack the encryption key for your data, they would only find cute pictures of little kittens in mittens.

Decryption of AES can not be done "on the fly".

The real threat is not your local/fed government (unless your are actually a terrorist) it is the people that are not part of the government, you know, those hacker guys that are always stealing peoples identities and what not. This is why I prefer to encrypt my email and documents and the like on my computer and when being sent out over the internets tubes, not because big brother is watching but so that some ass hole dosent steal my identity.

Also it is silly to think that the government is watching every move of everyone, espically when it comes to terms of data storage and monitoring. it is just not feasable.

And again if you could please point out how this "mirroring" is done I would be happy to know so that i can prevent it. Should it be a back door, then I will switch to an OS with out this backdoor for mirroring. I can not seem to figure out how they would monitor the activity on my screen (like right now) with out some sort of monitoring tool installed, as computers are a little more complex than a phone, you can not simply "tap" a computer. The data transmitted, sure, but not what happens on it.

And what would you consider an obsecure OS?

So even though you cited some very intresting articles on the topic of government monitor, you have not found or cited any on how this monitoring is acheved technically. And without the ability to monitor something technically, then there is no worry at all.


alexlck

join:2002-08-04
Chicago, IL

reply to ctceo
if those Agencies don't have the "Access" to those "targets" at the first place, how could they "recover", "decrypt", "translate" those "targets"? You got to have "Access" to those data before you could "Understands" those data.



brandon
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Hurley, MS

reply to ctceo
From your snip: "...no matter how unlikely it is that the government will successfully decrypt cipher text..."



ctceo
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I am very sorry that you don't understand what I have stated.

You underestimate the power of people with both power and money. The government does not want it to be made public that they are in possession of numerous supercomputers that can do just what all the documents say they can't. Proof as they say, is in the pudding. And the fact that if the government wishes to seize your equipment, AND monitor your communications by this virtue they will have ALL your keys, and decryption will happen anyway.

Nothing more can be said to make you change your mind. That is unfortunate for you.

If I find anything more, I will definitely update this last post with links, however I doubt that such information will be made public anytime soon.

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