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Cod

join:2000-07-05
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Re: the only bad thing....

said by karlmarx See Profile :

But, you've made an interesting point. If 99% of 55% of the internet bandwidth (i.e. 54%) is 'illegal', then isn't the law wrong? I mean, if we say over 50% of the traffic on the internet is 'illegal', then, by definition, it's NOT immoral.

"Group morality develops from shared concepts and beliefs and is often codified to regulate behavior within a culture or community. Various defined actions come to be called moral or immoral." I would argue, if the majority of the population engages in said beliefs, then no matter what the law says, our moral compass has decided that what we are doing is NOT immoral. There are many laws that tried to codify morality, but that does not mean they are good laws (prohibition comes to mind).

So, to summarize. If everyone is doing it, then it's the socially accepted standard for society, thus, cannot be considered immoral, notwithstanding what the 'law' says.
Back in the 1940's & 1950's, I would suggest that over 50% of the German population didn't think that concentration camps, exterminating the jewish population & the "final solution" was wrong. By your line of reasoning, are you suggesting that it wasn't immoral?


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said by Cod See Profile :

[Back in the 1940's & 1950's, I would suggest that over 50% of the German population didn't think that concentration camps, exterminating the jewish population & the "final solution" was wrong. By your line of reasoning, are you suggesting that it wasn't immoral?
Of course he is. He espouses the theory of "moral relativism" ( »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism )where there is no right or wrong except what anyone says it is.
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karlmarx

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If the choice is moral relativism vs fundy christianity, I choose relativism. If the choice is between moral relativism and muslim fundamentalism, again, I choose relativism. In my mind, there's no difference between a suicide bomber and a right wing abortion clinic bomber. Both groups are filled with morons who espouse only THEIR world view.

But, to the subject at hand. If society tolerates it (and we DO tolerate P2P traffic), then it's MORALLY acceptable. What gives YOU the right to judge anyone? It's a moronic christian belief system that's led to the death of more people throughout history than ANY other belief system.
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You are kind of on the right path. You see the Nazi Conservatives want you to eat babies, but only after they are born. After the sacrifice Martians will build giant pyramids to direct the inner-energy of the earth for a mass New World Order facilitating a new found era of misogyny and complete slavery of the non reptilian half-breed race.
Finally the pretend bird flu scare will finally be realized for what it is; a tool to legitimize inserting GPS chips into everyone that will record all of our movements, conversations, and thoughts. The Dems are in it with the Aliens. They're building landing strips for gay Martians.
Obviously, we must legalize P2P if we want to stop this. It's clear and you BBR idiots can't seem to grasp it.


pkarlos_76

join:2004-08-24
Edmonton, AB

reply to Cod
said by Cod See Profile :

said by karlmarx See Profile :

But, you've made an interesting point. If 99% of 55% of the internet bandwidth (i.e. 54%) is 'illegal', then isn't the law wrong? I mean, if we say over 50% of the traffic on the internet is 'illegal', then, by definition, it's NOT immoral.

"Group morality develops from shared concepts and beliefs and is often codified to regulate behavior within a culture or community. Various defined actions come to be called moral or immoral." I would argue, if the majority of the population engages in said beliefs, then no matter what the law says, our moral compass has decided that what we are doing is NOT immoral. There are many laws that tried to codify morality, but that does not mean they are good laws (prohibition comes to mind).

So, to summarize. If everyone is doing it, then it's the socially accepted standard for society, thus, cannot be considered immoral, notwithstanding what the 'law' says.
Back in the 1940's & 1950's, I would suggest that over 50% of the German population didn't think that concentration camps, exterminating the jewish population & the "final solution" was wrong. By your line of reasoning, are you suggesting that it wasn't immoral?
The truth is the average joe public in Germany had barely an inkling of the scope of what was going on during the War!!! Most soldiers on any side of the war, have an immense amount of trouble reconciling the events.....this tragedy happened and for most people was incomprehensible. I resent you comparing your issue to Germany's genocide, it doesn't even compare on moral, psychological damage, or the immense physical harm that WWII cause for everyone on both sides.

moonpuppy

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said by karlmarx See Profile :

But, to the subject at hand. If society tolerates it (and we DO tolerate P2P traffic), then it's MORALLY acceptable. What gives YOU the right to judge anyone? It's a moronic christian belief system that's led to the death of more people throughout history than ANY other belief system.
People tolerated drunk driving until too many people were getting killed. Same goes for speeding. It's o.k. until someone going too fast and causes a fatal accident.


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What about the megacorps? Aren't they involved in this too?
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Maxo
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

What about the megacorps? Aren't they involved in this too?
You have no idea.


AnonDOG

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Karl;

Clearly you are a religious man. Your moral relativism actually has roots in a modern religion.

The long and short of your definition is, "The whole of the law shall be do what thou wilt?"
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bohn

join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON
reply to Cod
All they had to do was shift the balance of wealth. The race itself is harmless as could be seem during the war when they wouldn't even fight for their own country.
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