PersComp
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join:2005-08-17
Cayce, SC
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Re: What are some typical T1 prices?
said by Diddy1  :That map is inaccurate, as far as DSL service goes, in my area  I found out today that it is inaccurate in my area also. I located a water tower that is about 4 miles from me and in a rural area. I made about 35 phone calls to potential subs today only to find out from several that I actually spoke to that they already have Bellsouth DSL. Geez....seems like they are everywhere around here! 
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milbrath
join:2006-03-27
Dresden, TN
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It's far better than the $1250 we were/are paying per T1, not quite low enough for me though. I've already signed the three year note to make sure it gets installed. Hoping after it's installed AT&T has some lower pricing and there is a good chance they will( I know of $1995 6mb). AT&T however would probably not run 2 miles of fiber at no-charge, but by the time we have it installed I may be able to get better pricing once they finish the merger since we already have the fiber.
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA | reply to milbrath
milbrath thats dang good for a ds3, I am only 40 miles outside the city, and its 2700 for 6mb here. |
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RockyBB
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Longmont, CO | reply to LLigetfa
come to America, the land of opportunity and competitive internet providers! |
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LLigetfa
join:2006-05-15
Fort Frances, ON
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Well... I just got a budgetary estimate today. Good thing I was sitting down.
T1 = $1521 per month
Co-location at CO = $1500 - $2500 per year
Tower attachment = $3000 - $4000 per year
...and then there are a whole bunch of one-time charges. |
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milbrath
join:2006-03-27
Dresden, TN | reply to RockyBB
We are fixing to migrate to a ds3, while pricing is still not the greatest ~2400 for 6mbs we provide the router, bellsouth is absorbing nearly 2 miles of fiber at THEIR cost!
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RockyBB
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join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
| reply to VariableARK
generally, "loop" costs are based on the distance from the Bell company local central office to the internet provider's POP. generally, the distance from your location to the local Bell company central office is not part of the equation. this would be different, of course, if we're talking fiber build outs and other unique factors which would require special construction just for you. But generally, if you're in Bumble Bee, Nebraska two T1 circuits from the same Tier I provider would be at the same cost regardless if you're across the street from the Bell company CO or 6 miles away.
Another reason not to try to figure out the pricing on your own is that some carriers will have "pricing" POPs. A pricing POP is a central office that is not really a node on the internet backbone, but the carrier will price out their service as if it is -- and absorb the backhaul costs. |
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA
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Well I am looking to move or build a new office and the location doesnt matter. I am in a unique position where to move about 10 miles more north I would have pricing for -150$. Every town I move north is also about a -$300 on a ds3.
It is entirely loop here! I just wanted to know where I should be looking to put up this building for the least expensive bandwidth? |
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RockyBB
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join:2005-01-31
Longmont, CO
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said by VariableARK :is there a way to tell what carriers are out of each co, ie. broadwing, level 3, global crossings, etc. ? Other than curiosity, the answer to that question is usually not very helpful. As many WISPs are in suburban or rural areas, the local central office is not likely to be a node location for a Tier I internet backbone provider. It most cases, one needs to backhaul the access circuit from the local central office to the carrier POP (point of presence).
Even if you were in downtown Chicago, knowing what carriers are in the local central office still doesn't do you the most good. Knowing that Carriers A, B, and C are in the local central office will make you call those carriers for pricing. By calling those carriers, you will be completely missing the boat of what is often the best way to purchase IP connections -- through the alternate channel, sometimes called resellers. Resellers almost always sell the same service at a lower cost than the same carrier directly.
When shopping for bandwidth, especially when you're not in an urban area, you need to check all sources -- pricing can vary wildly, sometimes one carrier can be double another carrier.
If you are needing new bandwidth, or approaching contract expiration of your current bandwidth, you owe it to your own bottom line to do comparison shopping. Right here at Broadband Reports forum there is a specific place to solicit quotes and where vendors are permitted to pitch their services. link to: »ISP b2b etc You will have to provide the true street address where the circuit is to be delivered, and the Bell assigned area code and exchange of the phone number at that location. Mention that you would be reselling the bandwidth, as some providers may not allow that at their lowest pricing points. Also mention if you have your own T1 router, or if you need the carrier to provide it. |
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA | reply to John Galt
is there a way to tell what carriers are out of each co, ie. broadwing, level 3, global crossings, etc. ? |
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp | reply to TCO1962
Yep...!
Got some coordinates for your place?
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TCO1962
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join:2001-07-02
Champaign, IL
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said by John Galt :said by TCO1962 :Curious what kind of range we could expect with the equipment you linked me to. Presuming that you have clear LOS and sufficient height on both ends...3 to 12 miles or so. There are many factors but that is a pretty good guess. YMMV, of course. Literally!  Thanks much sir! Perfect LOS and I need no more than a 2 mile radius (3 tops). Sounds like the ticket eh?
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Diddy1
join:2003-07-19
Sidney, NE | reply to John Galt
That map is inaccurate, as far as DSL service goes, in my area |
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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said by TCO1962 :Curious what kind of range we could expect with the equipment you linked me to. Presuming that you have clear LOS and sufficient height on both ends...3 to 12 miles or so.
There are many factors but that is a pretty good guess.
YMMV, of course. Literally!
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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said by VariableARK :This kind of goes along with this topic. Since local loop is the most expensive part of the t1 or any line, is there any way to find out where all the COs in a given area are? Ask and you shall receive:
»/coinfo
Gives a map and everything.
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VariableARK
join:2003-03-17
USA | reply to TCO1962
this kindof goes along with this topic. since local loop is the most expensive part of the t1 or any line, is there any way to find out where all the COs in a given area are? |
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TCO1962
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join:2001-07-02
Champaign, IL
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Thanks John. Curious what kind of range we could expect with the equipment you linked me to.
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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said by TCO1962 :Thanks again (you may be hearing more from me in the future) We'll be here...!
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TCO1962
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join:2001-07-02
Champaign, IL
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Thanks for the info. I know there's a plethora of info here but I've not delved into it. Was looking for some ballpark figures and such as we've reached the point of total frustration. Really not looking to go into biz. Just want good net that we can afford. Thanks again (you may be hearing more from me in the future)
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John Galt
Forward, March
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Happy Camp
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said by TCO1962 :If we did this very low key and low $ what am I looking at? Thanks in advance. Since you're lazy...!
Use this for you location:
»www.deliberant.com/estore/web/pc···dio.aspx
with this antenna:
»www.deliberant.com/estore/web/pc···nna.aspx
and a short jumper:
»www.deliberant.com/estore/web/pc···ter.aspx
Now, at your "subscriber" houses use these:
»www.deliberant.com/estore/web/pc···dio.aspx
These have the antennas built-in so you do not need another one.
Mount all of this stuff up as high as possible...higher is better. Some might suggest that you shouldn't use an omni but you probably have people all around you. If you get to 20 subs you should install another radio and use sector antennas.
Since you're lazy...if you took the time to read all the posts here about Deliberant equipment you would find that they get the job done. Many people here use them.
Normally they do not sell to "end users" but I think you might just find yourself being as WISP. Tell them you were referred by the forum. I am sure they have seen your post since they lurk here.
If you need more help, feel free to ask.
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