 boltEnd of the line DSL sucks.Premium
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kudos:1 | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Re: The Univ network must control its costs ... said by fAcEtIOUs:... and legal liabilities by blocking P2P use. Tor can be used to bypass University controls on P2P. If the professor can't follow employer guidelines, fire his ass. As spouted by a corporate shill who does not understand how the academic environment works. For academics, there are no employer guidelines such as you see in the corporate world. There are faculty guidelines and handbooks, but I would bet that the newer technology problems are covered in only 10% of those. For someone to teach and research, a certain amount of latitude has to be given. Read the article. The professor did NOT violate any university policies, as those policies were written well before there was any kind of P2P. His IT people were a little heavy handed by telling him what he should and shouldn't teach in class. Here's an idea. Why don't they go back and do their job and leave the faculty member to do his, teach his class. Any time academic integrity is dictated by policy, you have bigger problems than having 100 students learn about TOR.
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Pittsburgh, PA | A university is still a business. |
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1 edit | said by Mike:A university is still a business. Universities intentionally give up certain rights that an employer would have for the purpose of promoting academic freedom. They codify this in the university's charter, policies, and in giving tenure to faculty. |
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cacoPremium
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Whittier, AK | reply to bolt
So now I guess unless you agree with the majority opinion on BBR you get branded a corporate shill. TCH's comment makes perfect sense but like always we can't let "THE MAN KEEP US DOWN."
After reading the professor's posting It seems like he will most likely think a little about what the detectives said during his next class when he is lecturing on TOR. The professor even states ; "That was why the police had come to see me. They told me that only two people on our campus were using Tor: me and someone they suspected of engaging in an online scam. The detectives wanted to know whether the other user was a former student of mine, and why I was using Tor."
It would have been nice to know if the "other" was actually a student or not? I'm assuming the professor left the answer to that in limbo for a reason.
Looks like IT rep. and detectives were just doing their job , no one was flown to Guantanamo or ordered to stop teaching on a particular subject.
If the professor has a follow up I'm sure it will be an interesting read.
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said by Mike:A university is still a business. A private university may be a business, but public schools are quasi-governmental entities. The primary goal of a business is to generate revenue and profit. A public university's primary goal is to educate it's students, and has typically been placed to educate the citizens of a particular state, using public and private funding. Governments and their entities are NOT businesses, but mechanisms put in place, in the case of the USA, by the citizens to provide public services. My daughter is attending a public university, and she is a CITIZEN, not a customer. So stop being so pro business, with that itchy firing finger, and let the man do his job. |
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boltEnd of the line DSL sucks.Premium
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Charlestown, IN
kudos:1 | reply to caco
said by caco:Looks like IT rep. and detectives were just doing their job , no one was flown to Guantanamo or ordered to stop teaching on a particular subject. If they could have stopped him, they would have. Or at least that's what I get from the article. The only reason they can't stop him is that I pretty sure school policies won't allow the local IT person and security to dictate course content. The only real grounds they would have to actually stop him is if he were violating a law or an academic policy. That's why the "asked" him. I certainly would not like to see him succumb to the wants of IT just because they don't want him to teach about TOR. Actually, by doing this, they have made TOR more visible, especially on their campus. I wouldn't be surprised if they had 20 users by the end of the day.
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Maybe the professor left the answer in limbo, because there was NO PROOF OF A CRIME. The ONLY people who even have a right to ask that question is the police. And the professor would be wholy within his rights to refuse to answer the question.
The original poster can't stand the idea that someone would actually stand up to "THE MAN", for in his worldview, the only people who question authority are terrorists and malcontents.
If the bush regime had sent people, you could be pretty sure the professor would have been sent on a 'vacation' to cuba, where he could relax in a cell with other so called 'terrorists' for mates.
The IT rep was way out of line. The use of TOR, bittorrent, or any other technology is well within the rights of ANY student or faculty at a university. Unlike the whacko worldview, I see a university as a place where people are taught how to think, not a place where they are force fed the corporate line about the evils of TOR.
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1 edit | said by karlmarx:Maybe the professor left the answer in limbo, because there was NO PROOF OF A CRIME. The ONLY people who even have a right to ask that question is the police. And the professor would be wholy within his rights to refuse to answer the question. The original poster is a right wing nut case, everyone knows that. To him, blowing up abortion clinics is a good thing, and should be supported. He can't stand the idea that someone would actually stand up to "THE MAN", for in his worldview, the only people who question authority are terrorists and malcontents. If the bush regime had sent people, you could be pretty sure the professor would have been sent on a 'vacation' to cuba, where he could relax in a cell with other so called 'terrorists' for mates. The IT rep was way out of line. The use of TOR, bittorrent, or any other technology is well within the rights of ANY student or faculty at a university. Unlike the whacko worldview, I see a university as a place where people are taught how to think, not a place where they are force fed the corporate line about the evils of TOR. I'll ignore all the crap in the 1st couple of paragraphs and deal with the only one that should really be commented on.
The IT representatives job is to maintain and protect the university's network and if TOR,bittorent or any other technology is or has the possiblity to cause problems ie. massive congestion, then Mr. IT is definitely doing his job by bringing that to the attention of the professor.
He is what the professor says.
"Their job is to protect the network that allows me to do my job: to teach classes that are mostly or entirely online, and to conduct research. If they weren't here as the first or even only line of defense against the unscrupulous elements of our technological society, my university would cease to function. It's as simple as that."
The professor is actually being very practical about the matter.
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vpokoPremium
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Boston, MA | reply to karlmarx
Talk about overreacting. I've disagreed a ton with TCH, but to say he supports blowing up abortion clinics? Do you care to back that up? |
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| are you kidding? from a guy whose handle is 'karlmarx'? pretty clear he's not going to be particularly centrist... |
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Boston, MA | said by druber:are you kidding? from a guy whose handle is 'karlmarx'? pretty clear he's not going to be particularly centrist... Someone can be extreme and not make up crazy, libelous accusations. I've met honest communists. |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to karlmarx
said by karlmarx:If the bush regime had sent people, you could be pretty sure the professor would have been sent on a 'vacation' to cuba, where he could relax in a cell with other so called 'terrorists' for mates. Proof please? Where is evidence that any American citizens have been forcibly deported to Cuba?
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by karlmarx:Yaser Esam Hamdi James Yee Jose Padilla Silly boy. I asked you to provide proof that this "regime" is forcibly deporting people to Cuba.
Abdullah al-Muhajir (Padilla's real name) was never deported to Cuba.
James Yee worked at Club Gitmo in Cuba but was never deported there.
Yaser Esam Hamdi was not deported to Cuba, although he was jailed there after being captured in Afghanistan but was transferred to jails in the USA after it was discovered he was a US citizen.
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