Security implementation - a process, not a product in Security

Security implementation - a process, not a product in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17812425 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:27:40 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:27:40 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18000478 patmac : Thank you very much. I will check these. Thanks again for your time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18000478 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:19:49 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17998521 Name Game : Also be aware that there is a user group that can also help with your problem and some have already asked questions like yours

»groups.google.com/groups?q=Pegas···1&tab=wg

I am reluctant to advise you further since I do not know exactly how your are going to use WinPmail, but they do have answers for you.
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»www.vandenbogaerde.net/han_lkfr.htm

check out his

FAQ for moving from Single user mode to Multi user mode.

»www.vandenbogaerde.net/pegasusma···omu.html
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Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/ Missing Kids »www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17998478 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:03:36 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965045 patmac : Name Game: I have Pegasus 4.4 on a Win XPSP2 Home machine. I do have two user accounts setup, one with administrator privileges. Addressing your part; "And you still run into these problems.." 1st problem-all correct in your statement, except for, the messages are visible. 2nd problem-all correct. Last part-all correct except I can view messages created before this new installation. This problem happened with my previous version of Pegasus too, that's why I installed the up-level one, to see if it would fix my problem. Regarding the bottom section of your reply, when I go into Properties of PMail, there are two sections; Local Sharing and Security, and Network Sharing and Security. Under the Local Sharing and Security section, it says "To share this folder with other users of this computer ONLY, drag it to the Shared Documents folder". If you say to try this, do I drag and copy the Pmail folder, or drag and move it to the Shared Doc folder? Also in this section; "To make this folder and it's sub folders private so only you have access to it, select the following check box". The box is gray and not checked, or checkable. The other section, Network Sharing and Security deals in terms of remote access to the computer, and mentions a Network Setup Wizard.
Please advise, thank you for your time ( everyone ).
patmac]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17965045 Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:20:20 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963337 Name Game : Pegasus 4.11 on XP Pro

If you tried this already...

1. In Win XP - Create an admnistrator account;
2. In Pegasus - Create and configure several user and mail accounts
(one e-mail for each user);
3. In Win XP - Create an user (limited) account;
4. In WIN XP - Switch (session) to the new user account;
5. In Pegasus - Work with the accounts created on step 2.

And you still run into these problems..

1st problem: In Pegasus user's accounts exists but the mail settings for each user disappears. The folder tree is visible but the messages within are not visible.

2st problem: In Pegasus if new mail settings (the same defined on step 2) are defined for each user, these settings "disappear" each time I log on with the same user.

Although it's possible to configure mail accounts and check and send mail in Pegasus (using a Win XP user account) it's not possible to save this changes and it's not possible to view former messages
(messages created/received before this new Pegasus instalation in Win XP begun).

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Then it sounds like you've got some directory/file permissions conflicts here. I'm assuming that you're using NTFS? Go through the mail directories (in explorer) and make sure that the (limited) user account has the required access to the necessary files.

The way to do that is as follows
1. In windows explorer, right click "pmail" folder.
2. click properties
3. click the sharing tab.
4. check "sharing this folder on the network"
5. share name "pmail
6. check "allow network users to change my file"
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Gladiator Security Forum »www.gladiator-antivirus.com/ Missing Kids »www.missingkids.com/]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17963337 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:07:26 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962970 AB : I gotchya.
Well, that might seem to make it a Pegasus mail problem, then. I don't know anything about them.
But if you need accounts with them, they need to be created at Pegasus first, I'm sure. If it's the Verizon mail accounts that are used, then they need to be created first, also.
But someone who knows something about Pegasus mail will probably wander by shortly and be able to help you.
Good luck. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962970 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:15:30 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962924 patmac : Thanks. I'm all up to date on Windows. Getting the fiber made that possible. I just updated to SP2 about a month ago. I'd still be downloading the 72 updates with my old dial-up( that's why I like the fiber EVEN more ). Anyways, the net of this is, I am trying to setup a Limted User account for the kids, or for family email and internet. I use Pegasus Mail, and under the Admin account it works fine. I entered the VZ POP3 and SMTP server info, and all is fine, on the Admin account. I need it to work on the Limited User account, but when I open it(Pegasus) on the Limted account, it always thinks it's the first time I'm using it, and starts the setup Wizard, that's what my main problem is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17962924 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:08:31 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961471 AB :

said by MarkAW

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You know of all the advice i see everyone giving patmac

not once did i see anyone say that he/she should make sure that Windows is patched and up to date . . .

Actually, somebody did, indirectly:

said by bluezanetti

:

. . See Beginner in Security for recent additional comments. . . .

Which linked to this post in that thread:
»Re: Beginner in Security

But now somebody has done so directly, as well.

Nice work, L.B.! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961471 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:12:02 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17961238 MarkAW : You know of all the advice i see everyone giving patmac

not once did i see anyone say that he/she should make sure that Windows is patched and up to date, don't get me wrong all the advice that was given was great stuff but in my book the most important thing is having a up to date OS seeing that you are on Broadband and have a Router that is connected to your system updating would be the first thing i would do then do everything else after.
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Anyways, I think your set-up is pretty good too. Like everyone else said, set up your kids on limited user accounts, and just use common sense.

If you are looking for a nice bundled security package, go with Norton 360 - IT'S AWESOME!
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said by patmac

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Hi, I'm Back, it's been three weeks . . . .

You didn't write, you didn't call. :(

I drank the champagne and ate the candy already.

. . my VZFiOS 20/5 has been incredible!

Now I really hate you. ;)

(Just kidding, of course.) :)
Your first move needs to be to set up those additional e-mail accounts with Verizon, on their/your website.
Then it should just be a matter of creating individual accounts with those names in your e-mail program.
Additional "rights" and various software programs should certainly not be necessary.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17960884 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:29:52 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17960778 patmac : Hi, I'm Back, it's been three weeks and I have some more questions about broadband security. As per many recommendations here, I set up a Limited User account. Now I'm trying to configure it to be used for email and internet. The problem is, my email client settings will not stick. What I mean by this, is everytime I go into the email client under the limited user account, the client's setup wizard starts up, as if everytime is the first time using the app. So far, a few other apps behave the same way, even after applying/saving any changes to the apps. I've posted on another forum, and have tried one of the suggestions..give the limited user account admin rights, make the changes, then take the admin rights away, this didn't work. The other suggestion involves using something called "Dropmyrights" to be applied to the apps under an admin account that you want to act as if they were limited. I want the limited account for the kids, not an admin account with a few limited apps. Any ideas or help will be appreciated. Thank you for your time.
patmac
ps: my VZFiOS 20/5 has been incredible!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17960778 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:13:41 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17817551 AB :

said by patmac

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. . what should I attack first; Browser update/upgrade/change? Firewall? User Account settings? Java switch from MSVM to Sun?

Router, firewall, & malware protection are your first concerns, I would think. Then set up the Limited user account.
Java is secondary, an enhancement-type thing, like Flash Player and/or other browser add-ons.
Have fun. Never forget the security value of common sense, btw, though that doesn't always apply with the kids, I'm sure.
:)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17817551 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:49:28 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17817095 Jaws_ : As an aside, since kids are involved, another option besides having to constantly be looking over their shoulder, would be the free K9 Web Protection for parental control of inappropriate sites.

»www.k9webprotection.com/index.html

Hope this helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17817095 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:26:00 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816909 patmac : Wow, thanks for all the input. I've been working the last three days and have alot to digest here! Generically speaking, what should I attack first; Browser update/upgrade/change? Firewall? User Account settings? Java switch from MSVM to Sun?
Again, thanks for your valuable time,
patmac]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816909 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:47:27 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816210 AB : Correct you are. However:

"Customers are encouraged to take proactive measures to stay informed about obsolete software and move away from the MSJVM in a timely fashion.

Obsolete software, whether in the form of unsupported products, old service packs, or even expired certificates, is an issue every customer needs to be concerned with.

Customers are encouraged to stay informed about obsolete software and to transition from the MSJVM in a timely fashion."

»www.microsoft.com/mscorp/java/

Seems plain enough to me.

There are digitally coded music CD's available for me to purchase & listen to.
But I suppose I could always dig up an 8-track player & tapes, and listen to those, if that's what I wanted to do.
It isn't. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816210 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:36:33 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816171 Mele20 : MS JVM IS still being updated for security problems. There was a patch not long ago for it. It is not being updated in other respects though if that is that is what you meant. But security wise it is being kept up to date until Dec 31 2007 and can be safely used by anyone until that time. It is easier to use and works better than Sun Java.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17816171 Mon, 12 Feb 2007 01:22:49 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17815630 AB :

said by Indy Sabre

:

. . Search for the Acronis TI 7 free offer in the software forum if you are interested learning more about it and trying it out.

I noticed howie

posted something in the last day or two that indicated they're no longer making it available for free. Good things don't last forever, I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17815630 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:15:22 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17815027 Indy Sabre : You have already gotten a lot of good advice. One thing I didn't see mentioned was imaging. With imaging you can image your complete hard drive or OS partition so that if something messes you up you can restore to a previous (working) point in time.

Search for the Acronis TI 7 free offer in the software forum if you are interested learning more about it and trying it out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17815027 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:36:16 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812937 nwrickert : For me, it only runs when I am logged in as an Administrator. Since that's relatively infrequent, the occasional checking is about what is needed.
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said by nwrickert

The auto updater doesn't work.

It has been working for me.

You know, I had heard the rumor that it was fixed nowadays. How about that?
Still, I personally see no need to run a service 24/7 that I only have use for once every couple of months or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812851 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:16:35 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812793 nwrickert :

The auto updater doesn't work.

It has been working for me.
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AT&T dsl; Westell 2200 modem/router; SuSE 10.1; firefox 1.5.0.9]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812793 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:08:06 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812633 AB : As far as Java, I'd recommend that after installing the Sun-Java version, you go into 'Set Program Access and Defaults' and un-check the MS VM box. Better to uninstall it altogether, but at least don't use it. It's no longer updated, and while security hot-shots can use it safely, normal users cannot. The Sun-Java machine is not exactly air-tight, but at least it gets updated regularly with bug and security fixes.
Speaking of which, no need for 'jsched.exe' (the updater) to be running, and you can un-check the 'Automatically Check for Updates' box in the Java control panel. The auto updater doesn't work.
You will, of course, want to visit the Java site occasionally to check for updated versions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812633 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 13:37:18 EDT Security implementation - a process, not a product http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812425 EGeezer : As you can see, you're already getting disparate solutions and product recommendations. I guarantee that if you search this forum, you'll see more "you need this", "You don't need this" etc etc. that directly conflict with each other, as well as spats between posters on what's "best". To help you sort things out, my recommendation is to do some things you've already done, at least in part.

Determine your environment.

Who are your users?
How technical are they(include yourself too :) )
What are their browsing habits
How "trustworthy" are they in terms of following safe surfing/computing?

Determine what's on your computer and what it's used for.

Do you do banking/financial online transactions?
Do you use financial software that has sensitive data associated with it?
Do you use it for a home business, or employer business? If so, check with your employer for possible requirements, suggestions or no-cost tools to which you may be licensed or required to use.
Do you use it for games, online collaborations of some kind? If so, consider what you may need to have them function and still maintain the security you need for other purposes.

Put your priorities in place.
Security
Functionality
Ease of use
Ease of configuration/administration
performance
cost (money and time)
A read through »Security »How to Secure (and Keep Secure) My (New) Computer(s): A Layered Approach: as well as the product preference polls at BBR will provide you with insight and narrow down your choices.

Wireless - If you have it, also consider wireless security. See »Wireless Security for an overview. Since wireless is basically putting an ethernet port to your network on the street, in your neighbor's home, in the car passing by or parked up the street, wireless security is advisable. Shutting off unauthorised access through that port is straight forward, but the specific steps depend on the wireless AP and wireless clients you have.

Portable devices
If you have PDAs, mobile phones or other portable devices that you connect to the system(s), research the security considerations for them. This is rarely mentioned, but with more such devices in use and the birth of exploits for them, it's worth considering.

Selection
From there, evaluate your now narrowed-down choices. Following the above study will have eliminated many. choices pick the utilities, tools(antivirus, antispyware, firewall, OS and browser choices and settings, processes and policies(rules of usage, access etc) based on your requirements and priorities.

My own observations and tools
One tool that you may find useful that isn't often mentioned is the Windows shared computer toolkit for XP. See »www.microsoft.com/downloads/deta···ylang=en

Personally, I use a router/firewall to protect the perimeter and PC based firewalls on each PCs.

The PC based firewalls provides protection from other PCs on the LAN should they become infected and try to spread malware on the LAN. It also provides outbound protection for new/altered applications on the PC.

The perimeter firewall provides offloading of perimeter packet inspection and filtering, and a second level of protection in case the software firewall crashes or shuts down during updates to it.

I also use current AV/AT/AS utilities and/or plugins, and user accounts that are appropriate for guests and normal non-admin usage. With the kids, the shared computer kit may be useful inasmuch as they won't have access to many administrative and configuration functions, and the PC can be "reset" if they screw it up. Alternatively, system restore can be used, but takes a bit more intervention on the administrator's part.

Browser and OS security settings, plugins etc on a per user profile and globally also play an important part of my security.

My usage and product update policies and practices are also valuable to me.

I have no kids or doofus users (credit to jvmorris

for that term), so use System restore as my configuration restoration, as well as doing periodic critical data and system backups.

I have some system(s) that require more than average security, so those are secured differently.

Summary
The above process may look daunting, but once you start through it, you'll find it a time saving process that's the alternative to shooting at a security target you haven't identified. Note that I did not specify any specific third party brands. There are lots of good products and your choices will stand out once you've done your study.

HTH

EG
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Aristotle]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812425 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:49:44 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17812110 DownTheShore : If you're using Spybot, make sure you use the Immunize function after every time you update it. Also, you might want to enable Spybot's Hosts file (it's located under the Spybot "Tools" menu). Others who use host files can probably give you more information about the benefits of using one.

In addition to my AV, FW & BOClean, I also use SuperANTISpyware and I have been very happy with it. You can find more info about it here.
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»home.insightbb.com/~h.sam/index.htm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17810209 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 22:56:46 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17809001 bluezanetti :

said by patmac

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Thanks for the replies.
The underlying worry here is what the kids will do. The obvious concern is porn(we do monitor where they go)

For this specific concern, my personal preference is something along the lines of router based content filtering, for example a Zyxel ZyWall 2 Plus with Content Filtering Silver iCard (1 Year). It is not completely foolproof, but it's the most robust general solution I've found.

Blue]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17809001 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:27:44 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17808902 nwrickert :

The underlying worry here is what the kids will do.

Get into the habit of using a limited user account. Make sure that the Administrator account has a password (that may require booting into safe mode on XP-home). Do not give the kids admin access.
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said by patmac

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Thanks for the replies.
The underlying worry here is what the kids will do. The obvious concern is porn(we do monitor where they go), but some of the kid sites they go to for games etc, load a bunch of stuff, or try to. Also,I've seen some questionable links on reputable sites. I've been told to update from IE6 to IE7, then update my Java. I don't see Sun Java anywhere on my system(Dell Dimension 4550, about four years old), but Microsoft VM shows up under "Advanced" in IE tools. That's where the only mention of Java appears. Also, I saw mention in bluezanetti's link of being a "limited user", what's this? So I guess because of the kids I still do need another firewall, BoClean comes up alot here.
Again, thanks for your time,
patmac

BOClean is an excellent choice, and yes, with "kids" who are prone to doing silly things, you need a FW that will stop outbound connections also, just in case they inadvertently allow some nasty on your machine.

Only allowing them to run as limited users is a must.
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said by patmac

:

I've been told to update from IE6 to IE7, then update my Java. I don't see Sun Java anywhere on my system(Dell Dimension 4550, about four years old), but Microsoft VM shows up under "Advanced" in IE tools. That's where the only mention of Java appears. Also, I saw mention in bluezanetti's link of being a "limited user", what's this? So I guess because of the kids I still do need another firewall, BoClean comes up alot here.
Again, thanks for your time,
patmac

You can download and install Sun Java From Here.

Heres some information on setting up User Accounts. And while over at Microsoft reading you may as well read How The Right User Account Can Help Your Computer Security. Hope this helps.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17808773 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:44:19 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17808527 patmac : Thanks for the replies.
The underlying worry here is what the kids will do. The obvious concern is porn(we do monitor where they go), but some of the kid sites they go to for games etc, load a bunch of stuff, or try to. Also,I've seen some questionable links on reputable sites. I've been told to update from IE6 to IE7, then update my Java. I don't see Sun Java anywhere on my system(Dell Dimension 4550, about four years old), but Microsoft VM shows up under "Advanced" in IE tools. That's where the only mention of Java appears. Also, I saw mention in bluezanetti's link of being a "limited user", what's this? So I guess because of the kids I still do need another firewall, BoClean comes up alot here.
Again, thanks for your time,
patmac]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17808527 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:00:43 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806186 bluezanetti :

said by patmac

:

I understand (am learning here) the router has a built-in firewall that offers some protection, as well as the Windows firewall in SP2. Are these plus, the above apps a good start, or is more needed? Thanks for your time.

No, you really don't need more than you already have. See Beginner in Security for recent additional comments.

Blue]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806186 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 08:00:13 EDT Re: New To Broadband, Initial Security Question http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806163 kim : That looks like a decent start to me patmac

. Your Windows Firewall only provides one way protection though. I would advise you add a software firewall to your setup.

We are just about to start the Firewall Poll for 2007. You can look at 2006's Poll here:
»[Poll] What Firewall Do You Use? '06
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patmac]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17806095 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 07:09:14 EDT