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Re: It's amazing.... When you load DD-Wrt firware in your linky router, you dont even show up in their network neighborhood when you connect. The only sign something is happening is the flickering of the traffic LED on their router and after a bit of unplug and reconnect, the owner gets used to it always flickering and thats the end of that. And I monitor the logs and see its the neighbors kids that do most of the surfing. The grown ups dont do much on the internet to even suspect I am connected. Its like a perfect symbiosis. Theres more bandwidth than any 3 or 4 people can use and only once did the cable company shut of a connection due to long term badwidth hogging due to my p2p. These people then learned about security, reset their router and turned on the WPA probably educated by the cable company. But so far its the exception and not the rule or all of my neighbors would have dropped off one by one. Its great and I am glad to be a soldier in the ranks of the p2p movement. The only true anonimity on the internet. |
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Re: It's amazing.... said by fAcEtIOUs:said by raccettura:This already exists in a way, each network device has a unique MAC address. 1. It can be forged/modified I was thinking about an encrypted serial number that couldn't be forged. Hah... Anything that has a software component can always be changed. Get used to it. And, no matter how hard you try to make it, that difficulty will only last for a VERY short while. There's a joy in breaking protections and there's a joy in making it so others can break protections easily so that the protection is utterly destroyed.
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You can still sniff traffic on the wire, Network Neighborhood, or no.
It is parasitism, not symbiosis. And being a "soldier in the ranks of the P2P movement" is a rationalization of improper behavior.
This reminds me of the old range wars. The Internet is no longer an "open range"; and the barbed wire is coming to your Internet connection. Eventually.
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join:2006-05-17
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:2 | reply to NormanS
said by NormanS:You probably won't get caught as long as you are a parasite on some poor, clueless user's W-LAN. But if he gets suspicious, and has friends who know a thing, or three, all bets are off. Even I could catch you if the owner did not press that reset button; and I am not the smartest network guru in the world.  no he will never get caught,it's to easy to fake your mac address |
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81399672Premium
join:2006-05-17
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kudos:2 | I agree that you can't say never but chances of him getting caught are really small. |
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 c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
Oddly enough, I will agree with you. The ammount of illegal activity that happens over the internet (espically with sexual predators) is at an all time high. And most of these people are actually smart/insane enoungh to use public WiFi.
As for the serial number, why not. establish it as a serial number associated with the owner. some sort of registry. this im sure would be very hard to do, but i don't see it being to far feched.
Also, does anyone remember the P3(or was it P4) that has the embeded serial id that can be turned on and off? |
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c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA | reply to 81399672
It does not matter what the MAC address is, there is still a connection preset. and with a little packet sniffing or some handy wifi detection, you could easily find this guy. I mean, its not like he is miles away... |
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c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA | reply to fatmanskinny
I'll be the first to say that it's not just the users/owner of X wireless routing devices fault, it also is the manufacturer. I have never understood why Linksys or the like, don't make the owner setup the device with security upon first use. |
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Unfortunately, your still dumb enough to post at here, knowing your IP is captured... any admin who wants can forward that to your local law enforcement to give them the heads up that someone within wifi-range is hijacking wireless users around the community.
Don't forget wifi snooping works both ways... Just as easy to track who is surfing as the access points they use. And you can use signal strength to find out where they are (hint, closer = stronger).
The grown ups dont do much on the internet to even suspect I am connected. Also hints at you likely being a minor, the use of wording implies your a male, most likely between 13-17 years of age. Adults don't use "grown ups", they use "people" or "adults" and refer to kids as just "kids" or more commonly "teens".
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join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | reply to c0de
Sheesh, while we're at it, why don't you suggest we each just have our Social Security number tattooed on our foreheads?
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These linkys are awesome. I have signal strength turned down real low to get the best data thru put with the target connection. Must be something to do with lowering noise interference. Anyways, signal strength is so low it will be a hassle to pick me out in the soup of full strength routers all around me. On top of that, cops dont have the time and resourses to do much stinging of child predators online let alone hunting around with an antenna trying to find an internet freeloader. Uuuuuu, and I like the psycho brainiac wannabe down there. Let me know when you apply to your local cops as an internet profiler and I'll send them an official looking recomendation from the US president about your heroic service to your country. People like me just love people like you helping out the cops. And yes the MAC is spoofed and it even looks like another neighbor with his security enabled. Ive Dled over 12TB of stuff in all this time and there is not even a hint of a nationwide crackdown in the works. Its fool proof and with all the chatter, nobody still has a clue. And these nice folks here at DSL really Wuve me so theres no chace they would turn me in. They know its pointless anyway.  So be a good souldier and get your DDwrt Linky today. Available at your nearest Ebay stores. |
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If you want to call this getting caught, here is the only way I could get shut down. I am not doing this for free access. I got plenty of money. Im doing this for 15gigs a day of anonomous p2p so I cant be sued. The ISPs see this BW useage but there is confussion as to what to do about it. Especially when legitamate content DLing is occuring. They shut down one connection I used after 6 months with a big splash screen that said CALL YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICE. I about shit and the next day the router was back up with a reset password and security enabled. Clearly the ISP just educated a customer. But it has only happened once and I keep on souldiering. With more people useing things like netflix online now, maybe the ISPs won't be able to stop heavy BW useage anymore. Only time will tell. If your so cheap that all you want is a little free access, they will never be able to stop you and it will always be available somewhere. |
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c0de
join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA | reply to calvoiper
umm the tattoo is a bit extreme, but its not too far off from reality. they are employing RFID chips into drivers licens & id cards in the near future... |
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 gatorkramKaBOOM BabyPremium
join:2002-07-22
Winterville, NC
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Nerdtalker:As long as the user is mobile, it will be equally as difficult to keep any user identity identification in place. Just like with the Vin# burned into every car(and now on many of the parts as well) sold in the US to help track car thieves, we need a system where every device capable of communicating must have a serial number that is burned into the chip and that must communicate that number before access can be given to transfer data. And every communications capable device being sold would match its serial number or numbers with the name and address of the person buying the device. In effect you would have a national registry matching a person with the devices they own and it could track everytime that device links to a provider network. Of course, there would be hot, stolen devices - just like there is with cars and guns. But 95% of the devices would be able to be traced back to a specific person. Of course, all the people who think they have a right to privacy will whine, but I never hear them whining about how their car can be tracked back to them. What else do you advocate in protecting the masses from themselves? Mandatory random road stops, you know, just to make sure you aren't breaking any laws. And hey, while we are at it, why not mandatory random home invasions by the gvmnt too, you know, just to make sure everything is ok, and no laws are being broken. What a wonderful world it would be.
I already feel so much safer with just the idea of these plans being put into actions.
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kudos:2 | said by fAcEtIOUs:said by gatorkram:What else do you advocate in protecting the masses from themselves? Mandatory random road stops, you know, just to make sure you aren't breaking any laws. I already feel so much safer with just the idea of these plans being put into actions. Random road stops are already legal and carried out across the US. No they are not legal and no they are not carried out. Now if you talking about specific road stops such as DUI check point, driver licences then yes they are legal but just random pulling people over is not legal |
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join:2006-04-19
japan
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by Nerdtalker:As long as the user is mobile, it will be equally as difficult to keep any user identity identification in place. Just like with the Vin# burned into every car(and now on many of the parts as well) sold in the US to help track car thieves, we need a system where every device capable of communicating must have a serial number that is burned into the chip and that must communicate that number before access can be given to transfer data. And every communications capable device being sold would match its serial number or numbers with the name and address of the person buying the device. In effect you would have a national registry matching a person with the devices they own and it could track everytime that device links to a provider network. Of course, there would be hot, stolen devices - just like there is with cars and guns. But 95% of the devices would be able to be traced back to a specific person. Of course, all the people who think they have a right to privacy will whine, but I never hear them whining about how their car can be tracked back to them. No offense, but how the hell would you keep a registry of all the people? What would stop me from buying a wifi card online from an overseas retailer? The list goes on.
BTW, by "No Offense" I hope you take great offense and post something even more nonsensical.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:said by gatorkram:What else do you advocate in protecting the masses from themselves? Mandatory random road stops, you know, just to make sure you aren't breaking any laws. I already feel so much safer with just the idea of these plans being put into actions. Random road stops are already legal and carried out across the US. What's the matter, couldn't stomach saying random home inspections would be ok too? What's the matter man? Come on, you know you want it, unless you have something to hide, right? I mean, we should all be for it, if we have nothing to hide, right?
edit: Also, don't send me site pms, when you have yours disabled, TCH.
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