fatmanskinny
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1 edit | It's amazing....
how so many people leave their networks unsecured. I was just checking out the settings on a nearby wireless router... the 2nd in about a month without having the default password changed.
I didn't screw around with it as "hacking" is not my thing. However, it astounds me that no one changes this stuff out of the box, making way for cybercrime to be even more rampant.
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1 edit | This really isn't anything new, but it's high time that people start getting concerned. Basically, using wireless access points IS the new anonymous portal to the internet. As long as you don't have any responsibility over the network, you're free to do basically whatever you want. (I realize that legally that is not the case)
Regardless, I doubt it will ever be possible to fully eliminate every single unlocked/insecure AP. My own surveys have shown that roughly 2/3rds or less of people are running any encryption, including the worthless old WEP.
Filtering isn't going to do anything in the long run, it's more of a band-aid fix than a real solution. Perhaps one of the best way to combat this for real big public "hotspots" would be to use a captive portal system that somehow requires users to disclose a real identity. This is hard, but would it be possible to say, run a credit card through and charge a paltry 1 cent? Just to establish some user history? Even that will probably fail, because users can just as easily setup their own AP (joe's wifi cafe) without any grandiose authentication.
As long as the user is mobile, it will be equally as difficult to keep any user identity identification in place. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by Nerdtalker  :As long as the user is mobile, it will be equally as difficult to keep any user identity identification in place. Just like with the Vin# burned into every car(and now on many of the parts as well) sold in the US to help track car thieves, we need a system where every device capable of communicating must have a serial number that is burned into the chip and that must communicate that number before access can be given to transfer data.
And every communications capable device being sold would match its serial number or numbers with the name and address of the person buying the device. In effect you would have a national registry matching a person with the devices they own and it could track everytime that device links to a provider network.
Of course, there would be hot, stolen devices - just like there is with cars and guns. But 95% of the devices would be able to be traced back to a specific person. Of course, all the people who think they have a right to privacy will whine, but I never hear them whining about how their car can be tracked back to them.
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raccettura
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Re: It's amazing....
This already exists in a way, each network device has a unique MAC address.
1. It can be forged/modified
2. It only lives between the first hop. So hard to track.
Fixing #2 would require a massive undertaking in changing how TCP/IP works... and cost way more than anyone would even invest. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by raccettura :This already exists in a way, each network device has a unique MAC address. 1. It can be forged/modified I was thinking about an encrypted serial number that couldn't be forged.
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| said by GOLFnSUN :I was thinking about an encrypted serial number that couldn't be forged. Sadly (or for the better), that's an illusion of wishful thinking.
Conceivably, that "serial number" should already exist in the form of a mac address, but even that isn't worth anything, at all.
As long as the user controls the product, there will remain a way for it to be tampered with, period.
The day that simple fact of logic becomes false is the day I throw my computer away, lock myself inside, and sigh myself into a catatonic state, because that day, freedom of speech and anonymity is truly dead.
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Re: It's amazing....
said by Nerdtalker :Perhaps one of the best way to combat this for real big public "hotspots" would be to use a captive portal system that somehow requires users to disclose a real identity. This is hard, but would it be possible to say, run a credit card through and charge a paltry 1 cent? Not everyone has a credit or debit card. Besides, doing something like this would probably lead to more identity theft (stealing card numbers on an even larger scale, etc.)
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You make me sick. |
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Anomus
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This aint hacking, I turn on my wireless and it connects to my neighbors all around me. So I use it pushing 2 years now. I set their password so everyone else will stay off. So I am managing their router for them and useing there considerable excess capacity for my own purposes. And all they have to do is push their reset button to put a stop to it and they never do.
Now why do I do this? Because I use p2p and I am tired of price fixing corporations that said CD prices will fall after the technology is paid for and they never did. I am tired of big corps lobying to thro out fair use laws then suiting eveyone into bancrupcy instead of getting real court opinions about fair use. Its David against Goliath and David just got a new weapon. Its called Cantenas and WiFi and now they cant figure out which one of us to suit. Tough tity for them. Anybody that thinks you can be moral and still fight the big guys has rocks for brains.
If you like Itunes and Ipods and song libraries with restrictions and limitations then its yours. When I pluck my money down, its mine to do when ever and where ever I choose. And I won't put up with anything less. Right now p2p is the only way to conveniently get it. And with WiFi, they will never be able to find me. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by Anomus :
I set their password so everyone else will stay off. So I am managing their router for them and useing there considerable excess capacity for my own purposes.
And that is breaking the law in the US. Get caught and you can go to jail. As soon as you took that 1 step you can no longer claim you didn't hack their system.
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Anomus
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| I cant get caught. Period. To gain access someone has to push the reset button. Then everything I did absolutely vanishes. Period. End of story. No jail, No arrest, No proof, No lawsuit. Join the invinsible army and help put an end to big corp price fixing monopoly. Dont be a naysayer, be a participator. |
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russotto
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Wow, you're not going for half measures; you want to institute the surveillance state whole hog. You work for Fatherland Homeland Security by any chance? |
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NormanS
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You probably won't get caught as long as you are a parasite on some poor, clueless user's W-LAN. But if he gets suspicious, and has friends who know a thing, or three, all bets are off. Even I could catch you if the owner did not press that reset button; and I am not the smartest network guru in the world.
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Stumbles
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There isn't anything that can't be forged. |
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GOLFnSUN
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| said by Stumbles :There isn't anything that can't be forged. That is true. But you can make it very hard to do for the vast majority of users. That is the game that law enforcement plays all the time.
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1 edit | supporting a police state? Of course..
Ask yourself this question. If you pass these laws you want (i.e. require everyone to have a monitored, licensed connection to the internet, where your entire history, every post, every site you visit, every e-mail is recorded. Ask yourself if you'd feel comfortable with that law if you knew that I would be in charge of it. You know, of course, that I would use the law to have the secret police arrest you, for your seditious postings.
The constitution exists to protect us. Freedom of speech CANNOT be assured if everyone has to register to speak. So, pass your 'save the children' laws, but don't be suprised when the men in black come for YOU.
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Well just today I went to a new Internet Cafe' in my home town. It advertises Free Internet access so I went there as opposed to going to a Starbucks. I got online and noticed the speed was not the greatest so I took a look at the "show wireless networks" tab and lo and behold: I was surfing on some neighborhood person's connection. I ultimately found the one from the cafe and connected to it but noticed there were 8 other networks available and none had any security turned on.
Go figure...
Anyway, the coffee was good and the place is nicer than a Starbucks. |
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spoke he who believes the government should stay the hell out of our lives. It's a shame you have no love of individual liberty to match your love of corporate liberation.
VIN numbers on cars don't transmit themselves and don't leave a trail of data, linked to you, as to where you have been and what you have been doing the whole time you have been using them.
This is the single most appalling idea you have espoused on these forums. |
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