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Mount Airy, MD | Regulate the use of the word "Unlimited" Among other things... Verizon Wireless has been able to abuse this word for quite some time now, advertising "unlimited" wireless Internet while getting away with imposing caps.
If there's another thing that should also be regulated, it is the use of hidden fees. The cost of any fee that isn't a tax imposed by a government should be included in the advertised price of the service.
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| Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... |
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Fort Worth, TX | said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... Tell me what OTHER regular commodity you get charged for in the "up to" manner?  They will have change their service and begin to to guarantee a minimum level of service.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to bbskeptic
said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... I agree with you on the futility of regulating speeds. Most ISPs make it very clear in the advertising that the maximum speed isn't guaranteed. Regulators should just ensure that customers are being delivered what is being advertised.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to bbskeptic
said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. Bring it on. Why should consumption of data be any different than consumption of any other consumer resource. "Unlimited" does not exist and consumers should pay accordingly if they believe that it does. |
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said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... All this will accomplish is some wording changes and oversight of the marketing department by company lawyers when the word speed is mentioned. Whatever rules are set by the FTC, the lawyers will find a way to get around them. They always do.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:"Unlimited" does not exist and consumers should pay accordingly if they believe that it does. That's fine and all... any ISP that advertises "Unlimited" service should be expected to provide unlimited service. If an ISP doesn't want to provide unlimited service for any reason, it must not be allowed to advertise "unlimited" service and should be fined if it does.
Allowing for such false advertising to go unchallenged is a serious impediment to competition. An ISP that wants to play by the rules and advertise what a user actually gets will always be at a competitive disadvantage to an ISP that simply lies in its advertising. The end result is that all ISPs end up lying in advertising and the customers don't know what they've signed up for until they actually get the first bill...
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said by qdemn7:said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... Tell me what OTHER regular commodity you get charged for in the "up to" manner? They will have change their service and begin to to guarantee a minimum level of service. Check your water service....they charge a base rate for up to a certain # of gallons, over that they charge extra. Don't use the minimum? Still get charged for it.
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to pnh102
Technically, "unlimited, up to" services as advertised aren't false as long as the ISP doesn't cap the service. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the consumer being more clearly informed, I just don't think regulation or legislation will get us there. If anything, I think it will cause consumers more heartburn and $$$. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by openbox9:I just don't think regulation or legislation will get us there. I don't think any new rules would have to be enacted. False advertising is already illegal. It would be a simple matter of enforcing existing law.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to qdemn7
Tell me if you really believe that the FTC is going to be able to step in and get the "up to" speeds knocked down or require guaranteed speeds!
There is something out there that is fuel for the ISP's fire and that's the good old T-1 line. It's reliable and stable speeds because of the SLA and other factors that HOME RESIDENTIAL GRADE SERVICE can NOT deliver.
Just like when the FCC told AT&T to sell Stand Alone DSL service.. AT&T gladly signed on the line and said "sure!".. what they FCC *DIDN'T* tell AT&T was for "how much"... for a $1 savings, you can have it stand alone.
This is what you will end up getting to some level.
There is NO WAY IN THE WORLD that the FTC will EVER get cable or DSL to "guarantee" their speeds and keep the rates the same.
So, we either wind up with slower speeds again or a MUCH higher bill to compensate for it.
This is a deal for the devil int he making.
And ask TJ said below... water. Besides, not everything in life is to be compared to anything else... THANK GOD! The age old answer of "well have you ever seen oranges do this? so why doesn't apples have to as well" is REALLY getting old!
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Hialeah, FL | reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:said by bbskeptic:Get ready for pay as you play if the FTC fumbles this one. If you want "guaranteed" and not "up to" and you want a true unlimited transfer of data, then you will be charged per byte of data. Electricity, Gas, Water,.....Data... I agree with you on the futility of regulating speeds. Most ISPs make it very clear in the advertising that the maximum speed isn't guaranteed. Regulators should just ensure that customers are being delivered what is being advertised. I can give a crap about the speed cause be honest, how many are ACTUALLY seeing less than 20% of their speeds consistently? It may dip, but not consistent.
The FTC needs to starkly challenge the "Um..limited" crap that the Cable co's are spewing because in their vernacular, "unlimited" = "instantaneous" which any 6th grader will tell you is WRONG!!
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | reply to pnh102
If the ISP isn't "capping" usage, then there hasn't been any false advertising...you can still use your unlimited connection with up to theoretical bandwidth of xx Mbps. |
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qdemn7Smurf in My LoopPremium
join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX | reply to openbox9
said by openbox9:Why should consumption of data be any different than consumption of any other consumer resource. "Unlimited" does not exist and consumers should pay accordingly if they believe that it does. So unlimited does not exist? So I guess there's a "limit" or cable or satellite TV, right? People are only "allowed" to watch X number of hours a week, right?
I guess all those "All You Can Eat" Restaurants are a myth also, right?
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Mississauga, ON | reply to openbox9
The thing is they have implemented caps.
Some (aka Rogers) have implemented a Hard cap.
Unlimited is just a tag they use to get you to sign up .... they then define what THEY mean by unlimited, not by what you have been taught.
They ignore things like the dictionary, which of late is being rewritten by various lobby groups as we sit here right now ... welcome to corporate America .... |
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With all due respect unlimited by verizon wireless is unlimited up to 6 gig without review. check out how much bandwidth you are using. I for example use about 250 meg a month average with 700 emails a month plus some internet. to use 6 gig would be tough unless you are streaming music or video and/or are tethered to a laptop or desktop. I couldn't see you having enough time or patience to use that kind of bandwidth on a pda. |
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