Tzale
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said by Ahrenl  :Capitalism also isn't the antonym of socialism. Our communications are WAY more socialists than capitalist as it stands now anyway. A capitalist network would be owned by no one (free market) where service providers could compete on an even playing field. Since everyone is not allowed to build their own network (because of the government) because it would obstruct the sun and crush small children and cars in storms. (no matter how wet 10,000 fiber cables going to your house makes you, believe me, it's a bad thing.) The network owners SHOULD be forced to open their networks, and the government should set prices that allow enough cash flow to provide for the needed capex. True, good post... But overall, I am just sick of people who think we are a socialist country... Yes, some things are, but the majority of America isn't.
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Kearnstd
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high tech doesnt get dollars because the people dont want high tech. NASA is constantly getting cuts, you think broadband would ever get past our nearly in the grave congressmen?
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Ahrenl
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Capitalism also isn't the antonym of socialism.
Our communications are WAY more socialists than capitalist as it stands now anyway.
A capitalist network would be owned by no one (free market) where service providers could compete on an even playing field.
Since everyone is not allowed to build their own network (because of the government) because it would obstruct the sun and crush small children and cars in storms. (no matter how wet 10,000 fiber cables going to your house makes you, believe me, it's a bad thing.) The network owners SHOULD be forced to open their networks, and the government should set prices that allow enough cash flow to provide for the needed capex. |
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Maxo
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said by Tzale :We live in a CAPITALISTIC society... We are not socialists.... Broadband is not supposed to be "subsidized" by the Government. Get this through your frigging heads already. Different types of governments. There are positives and negatives to both. For some, this might be a negative of capitalism, but there are also some things under socialistic governments that fail miserably. We actually don't live in a capitalistic society, that's a myth. There are many socialist tools we successfully implement into our society. We subsidize and regulate way too much to be a capitalism.
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Tzale
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said by RadioDoc :It's not about the $1.5 billion. Hell, it would take 100x that to get the same deployment in the US. The point, should you actually look at the situation, is that while we're pissing away time the rest of the world is doing what is necessary to get the job done. Nice try to redden the discussion with the 'America-bashers' nonsense, though. Get with the program. We live in a CAPITALISTIC society... We are not socialists.... Broadband is not supposed to be "subsidized" by the Government.
Get this through your frigging heads already. Different types of governments. There are positives and negatives to both. For some, this might be a negative of capitalism, but there are also some things under socialistic governments that fail miserably.
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peltecs
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What's most upsetting...that the USA is now spending money to give Iraqis broadband! Pretty soon Sadr will be downloading more Pr0n than any of us! Oh! Oh! Oh! |
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irexx
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Re: What's wrong with this picture?
America sure is smart.  |
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tmc8080
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said by dynodb :Yes because those two issues are EXACTLY related; I mean if not for the whole Monicagate thing we'd all have 100M/100M broadband for $30/month right now!!! Going along with that logic.. we'd all have free healthcare, subsidized housing, and be FILTHY RICH, and other stuff I can't even BEGIN to think of (probably cures for loads of diseases) if not for the war in JUST IRAQ ALONE!! |
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to RadioDoc
Uhh, google makes piles of money and seems to double how much they make every year. Some would argue that it is undervalued. Just because a stock has a high dollar value doesn't mean it's "over-valued". Take a look at Berkshire. |
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GhostDoggy
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Even if the ILECs and cable companies could deliver FTTH to 80% of the consumers for the same per consumer cost that South korea is planning there would always be some sort of pseudo USF fee to deliver it to the farmers that will cost 10-100X the inner-city per consumer cost.
The bigger question is just how many former ILEC employees are now employed by companies like Cisco, Alcatel, etc.? |
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fiberguy
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... and like it or not, it's the difference between having any level of safety here in the U.S. or not too. I'd rather live and have my 8mb broadband rather than no spend money to protect ourselves and have a large group of the populate wiped out in another attack.
We could have saved the money, but now we don't have the choice.
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It's not about the $1.5 billion. Hell, it would take 100x that to get the same deployment in the US. The point, should you actually look at the situation, is that while we're pissing away time the rest of the world is doing what is necessary to get the job done.
Nice try to redden the discussion with the 'America-bashers' nonsense, though.
Get with the program.
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jdir
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Meanwhile, the US gov spends around 400 billions plus a year in IRAQ. That's a lot of broadband that can be deployed. |
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Tzale
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said by RadioDoc :"The South Korean government in 1995 decided to spend $1.5 billion to build a nationwide broadband network that any ISP could offer service on." Meanwhile... In the late 90's, our government was obsessed with a dress stain. 1.5 billion wouldn't do shit for us... How big is South Korea? How big is America?
It is amazing how fast he America-bashers show up in these threads.
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RadioDoc
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Jeeze, Republican much?
My point is that while we're pissing around with irrelevant nonsense (and that goes for both sides of the aisle) other, smaller countries seem to be able to keep their eye on the ball.
And, richardpor , you say "could have been better spent" but give nothing to back it up. Google, Yahoo, et. al. are just the survivors of an absurd bit of stock speculation, and neither of them (and some others for that matter) would be worth spit if it weren't for the proliferation of broadband in the US in the 10 years following 1995.
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richardpor
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Here what is wrong. The Government of South Korea Spends 1.5 billion for a broadband network, money that could have been better spent. Oh yes have you forgot while South Korea Government spent bucks build their government project, here in the us, Yahoo was founded, Microsoft began to challenge Netscape for browser dominance, Google was not in existence and AOL, CompuServe, and Prodigy were the dominant players. All in part lead to the growth and US dominance of the internet, and billions dollars of new business created, with just dial-up. At this time South Korea was going thru a recession. Perhaps the lesson is we do not need to spend billions on a government broadband project. |
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dynodb
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Yes because those two issues are EXACTLY related; I mean if not for the whole Monicagate thing we'd all have 100M/100M broadband for $30/month right now!!! |
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