said by Ronnie6657:
We recently had an ice/snow storm in MD and I lost sync to ISDN and I was wondering if this is something I have to report or does it come back up similar to an thunder storm in the spring time?
I was just wondering if Verizon knows when there is problems or is it something people have to report before they figure it out?
Ive gotten so use to my new connection i take it for granted and may not be as helpfull or anoying but your lying if you dont agree..
The report was deleted...managed to dig up an old post that has a few highlights of the 50 page report. It was right on wish i saved or printed it before it was deleted. I assume its sudden page hits or Harvard hosting it didnt want TElcos mad because why would it suddenly dissapear after a couple thousand hits.
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Moss Landing, CA
ISDN Pricing, What Went Wrong (well written
Has anyone read this report the telco's wouldn't want you to see? (It may be already on this site...i didn't check) Im sure some of you have, at least those of you that want more rollbacks:). Yes we all hate the phone companies, especially isdn users i might add. We hate them with a passion! haha Nothing ever makes sense with their pricing. I liked this paper because its like a thesis on exactly how they pulled it off, and why ISDN failed to take off in the 90's, and why its still so over priced. Every phone company seems to be as crooked as the next. its actually funny to read its so criminal.
Heres a few of my favorites, if you don't have time to read the lengthy report
In virtually every ISDN proceeding, the ILECs(phone companies) got enormous mileage by presenting data that was so incomplete it was meaningless, or it was simply irrelevant. The centerpiece of this was the famous "holding time" data that would always be presented as a major blockbuster.
hah...sounds like the OJ trial
"5. We've already paid for most of it! Residential ISDN consumers have paid for years to upgrade network facilities for the next generation of digital network services. But only businesses have actually benefitted from those investments. Residential consumers should demand reasonably priced ISDN or a rollback in rates based upon a reallocation of the network costs to business users."
For the five ILCEs that responded to the FCC inquiry, the average incremental cost for all NTS BRI ISDN costs was 12 percent of the POTS cost. (Both NYNEX and US West reported BRI loop costs lower than POTS loop costs.) Not only are these cost differentials relatively minor items...
to forum · permalink · [Encourage,Ignore,Watch] · 2005-02-10 19:31:09 · Reply to this
Moss Landing, CA
heres one example of the wild price variations
Examples of Call Pack Options
Price of pre-paid usage "call pack" options. Amount of usage in 2b/1b hours.
Bell Atlantic - District of Columbia, West Virginia, Virginia
10/20 $3130/60 $4570/140 $60150/300 $90
250/500 $120unlimited $249
SBC/Missouri 5/10 $51.77
SBC/PacBell - California 100/200 offpeak $26.67
BellSouth - Alabama 30/60 $57.39
BellSouth - Florida 100/200 $57.09
US West - Washington State 20/40 $50
US West - Arizona 200/400 $79
US West - Utah 25/50 $30
US West - Iowa 100/200 $73
US West - Minnesota Service Area A
Service Area B
US West - Montana, North Dakota, Iowa, Idaho, Nebraska, Wyoming
100/200 $68 $88
Anchorage Telephone Utility (month to month option, and 36 month contract) 2.5/5 $33.55 $25.15
25/50 $57.55 $43.15
50/100 $75.55 $56.65
unlimited $160.25 $120.20
An expenditure of $50 to $54 will buy 10 hours from SBC in Missouri, 40 hours from US West in Washington State and 200 hours from US West in Utah. BellSouth charges $57.39 for 60 hours in Alabama, and the same company charges same amount for 200 hours in Florida. Bell Atlantic charges $60 for 140 hours, while SBC/PacBell charges $26.67 for 200 hours of off peak usage. Indeed, for $3 or $4 more than the Bell Atlantic 140 hour call pack, you can get unlimited usage from US West in Utah or Washington.
to forum · permalink · [Encourage,Ignore,Watch] · 2005-02-10 19:38:40 · Reply to this
Moss Landing, CA
I love the closing argument. powerful ammunition!
Closing Comments (nothing has changed since 98...has it really?)
As we approach the end of 1998, it is astonishing how much we continue to rely upon analog modems for internet connections that have high latency, are not robust, and which have limited bandwidth. The ILECs are deliberately abandoning any commitment to make analog lines clear enough to permits the newer analog modems to work close to their advertised 56 Kbps capacity. The closer we get to wider commercial deployment of xDSL and cable modems, the better we understand the obstacles, including the geographic limitations on the proposed rollout.
Right now the ILECs are acting like a monopoly. They are refusing to deploy a socially valuable technology because the service is subject to price and common carrier regulation. The ILECs believe they can force the government to permit deregulated xDSL deployment.
We do not know how xDSL or cable modems will ultimately be priced. We know they are a superior technology in many ways for those who live in markets where the services will be available. But policy makers have no alternatives to ISDN for those who live in communities that will not get xDSL or cable modem services.
ISDN, as a mature and inexpensive technology, suffers from its comparison to products which do not exist, which have yet to be priced, and which are unlikely to serve important segments of society. ISDN also suffers from the continual lowering of expectations regarding the public sector, and an acceptance that the monopoly ILECs will continue to dictate the most important decisions regarding future infrastructure development.
In our view, the conventional wisdom regarding ISDN is wrong, and it is timely and prudent to revisit ISDN pricing dispute. We believe policy makers should position BRI ISDN as a basic digital service for those who do not have better or affordable alternatives.
to forum · permalink · [Encourage,Ignore,Watch] · 2005-02-14 00:40:38 · Reply to this
reply to EddieNash187
Re: ISDN Pricing, What Went Wrong (well written
Well written is an understatement
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