Re: What's wrong with this picture? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17844882 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:38:47 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:38:47 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17845541 Tzale :
said by Ahrenl See Profile :

Capitalism also isn't the antonym of socialism.

Our communications are WAY more socialists than capitalist as it stands now anyway.

A capitalist network would be owned by no one (free market) where service providers could compete on an even playing field.

Since everyone is not allowed to build their own network (because of the government) because it would obstruct the sun and crush small children and cars in storms. (no matter how wet 10,000 fiber cables going to your house makes you, believe me, it's a bad thing.) The network owners SHOULD be forced to open their networks, and the government should set prices that allow enough cash flow to provide for the needed capex.
True, good post... But overall, I am just sick of people who think we are a socialist country... Yes, some things are, but the majority of America isn't.

-Tzale
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-Virtual Pirate-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17845541 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:30:29 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17845008 Kearnstd : high tech doesnt get dollars because the people dont want high tech. NASA is constantly getting cuts, you think broadband would ever get past our nearly in the grave congressmen?
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17845008 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:07:49 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17844959 Ahrenl : Capitalism also isn't the antonym of socialism.

Our communications are WAY more socialists than capitalist as it stands now anyway.

A capitalist network would be owned by no one (free market) where service providers could compete on an even playing field.

Since everyone is not allowed to build their own network (because of the government) because it would obstruct the sun and crush small children and cars in storms. (no matter how wet 10,000 fiber cables going to your house makes you, believe me, it's a bad thing.) The network owners SHOULD be forced to open their networks, and the government should set prices that allow enough cash flow to provide for the needed capex. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17844959 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:00:39 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17844882 Maxo :
said by Tzale See Profile :

We live in a CAPITALISTIC society... We are not socialists.... Broadband is not supposed to be "subsidized" by the Government.

Get this through your frigging heads already. Different types of governments. There are positives and negatives to both. For some, this might be a negative of capitalism, but there are also some things under socialistic governments that fail miserably.
We actually don't live in a capitalistic society, that's a myth. There are many socialist tools we successfully implement into our society. We subsidize and regulate way too much to be a capitalism.

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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

It's not about the $1.5 billion. Hell, it would take 100x that to get the same deployment in the US. The point, should you actually look at the situation, is that while we're pissing away time the rest of the world is doing what is necessary to get the job done.

Nice try to redden the discussion with the 'America-bashers' nonsense, though.

Get with the program.
We live in a CAPITALISTIC society... We are not socialists.... Broadband is not supposed to be "subsidized" by the Government.

Get this through your frigging heads already. Different types of governments. There are positives and negatives to both. For some, this might be a negative of capitalism, but there are also some things under socialistic governments that fail miserably.

-Tzale
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-Virtual Pirate-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17844768 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:32:38 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17842591 peltecs : What's most upsetting...that the USA is now spending money to give Iraqis broadband! Pretty soon Sadr will be downloading more Pr0n than any of us! Oh! Oh! Oh!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17842591 Fri, 16 Feb 2007 03:37:42 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17838328 irexx : America sure is smart. :uhh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17838328 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:56:11 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836618 tmc8080 :
said by dynodb See Profile :

Yes because those two issues are EXACTLY related; I mean if not for the whole Monicagate thing we'd all have 100M/100M broadband for $30/month right now!!! :uhh:
Going along with that logic.. we'd all have free healthcare, subsidized housing, and be FILTHY RICH, and other stuff I can't even BEGIN to think of (probably cures for loads of diseases) if not for the war in JUST IRAQ ALONE!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836618 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 08:30:34 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836329 Ahrenl : Uhh, google makes piles of money and seems to double how much they make every year. Some would argue that it is undervalued. Just because a stock has a high dollar value doesn't mean it's "over-valued". Take a look at Berkshire.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836329 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 06:19:46 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836254 GhostDoggy : Even if the ILECs and cable companies could deliver FTTH to 80% of the consumers for the same per consumer cost that South korea is planning there would always be some sort of pseudo USF fee to deliver it to the farmers that will cost 10-100X the inner-city per consumer cost.

The bigger question is just how many former ILEC employees are now employed by companies like Cisco, Alcatel, etc.?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836254 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 04:53:56 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836098 rpeAMP : nm]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836098 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 02:44:47 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17836011 fiberguy : ... and like it or not, it's the difference between having any level of safety here in the U.S. or not too. I'd rather live and have my 8mb broadband rather than no spend money to protect ourselves and have a large group of the populate wiped out in another attack.

We could have saved the money, but now we don't have the choice.
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Nice try to redden the discussion with the 'America-bashers' nonsense, though.

Get with the program.
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said by RadioDoc See Profile :

"The South Korean government in 1995 decided to spend $1.5 billion to build a nationwide broadband network that any ISP could offer service on."

Meanwhile...

In the late 90's, our government was obsessed with a dress stain.
1.5 billion wouldn't do shit for us... How big is South Korea? How big is America?

It is amazing how fast he America-bashers show up in these threads. :uhh:

-Tzale
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-Virtual Pirate-]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17834756 Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:39:51 EDT Re: What's wrong with this picture? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17833568 RadioDoc : Jeeze, Republican much?

My point is that while we're pissing around with irrelevant nonsense (and that goes for both sides of the aisle) other, smaller countries seem to be able to keep their eye on the ball.

And, richardpor See Profile, you say "could have been better spent" but give nothing to back it up. Google, Yahoo, et. al. are just the survivors of an absurd bit of stock speculation, and neither of them (and some others for that matter) would be worth spit if it weren't for the proliferation of broadband in the US in the 10 years following 1995.
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Meanwhile...

In the late 90's, our government was obsessed with a dress stain.
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