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| | Here is my take. I'm not exactly for the HAM operators but I'm not for them getting stamped out either.
Here is the problem with HAM's argument. "If there were ever a problem" "This is what we are doing here" and it all seems hypothetical and... made up for the most part.
If they want people on their side they are going to have to get coverage. Not just special interest stores or quick mentions, we need stores like "Operator broadcasts emergency information for stricken city" or "first responders were operators" People getting medals and other recognition for this brave work they do in their spare time.
I'm not trying to discount it (right now) but people generally see HAM operators as those weird people that spend all their time in the basement playing with their expensive walkie-talkies. Combine that with hearing about phone companies and their mobile emergency communication vans and it goes a long way to discredit whatever the community has done.
They have a right to fight it, but they are going to need fresh comebacks and examples and a slew of excellent press if they are to get any help from any other source than their own supporters. | |
|   SteveConIBEW 2222 Boston, MAPremium
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Boston, MA | Re: Here is my take. The deal here is that on some frequencies in question, amateur radio is primary. This means that amateurs have first use of the frequency. Period. Other users of those frequencies are in direct violation of the FCC's own rules concerning "harmful interference" The rule applies to all, whether it is interference to a commercial broadcaster or amateur operator.
The interference is NOT limited to just amateur bands. BPL will also affect other licensed services such as government agencies, military, aviation, maritime, public safety, and shortwave broadcasts. Amateur radio occupies LESS than 10 percent of the affected radio spectrum.
The HF spectrum is a natural resource. The 3MHz - 30MHz range has some pretty amazing properties, most notable being that radio frequencies can "bend" or "bounce". This is not the case for most frequencies outside of this range. Literally destroying this resource by recklessly filling it with an ultra wide band of what sounds like noise on a radio speaker would eliminate it's usefulness for experimentation and long range simplex communications.
Satellite and ISDN can bring internet to "underserved" areas - regardless of distance from a CO. I know, its more costly, but I bet there are plenty of things in those underserved places that are plenty cheaper than "here" - like auto insurance, parking garages, rent, etc.
BPL is not the answer. If you follow the FCC rules, it's in violation in most of the places it is deployed because of complaints from primary users. If there is a primary user on a frequency where BPL is deployed, it is harmful interference, and will remain such until everyone else becomes secondary.
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| | | | Re: Here is my take. who give freak any how by time this tech get going dsl and cable will running faster and better than it is anyhow and wifi is getting better everyday. come on the day it goes in effect the next day it will die. plus those telco's will just buy the bpl companys anyhow and move bpl under the rug for new super speed dsl or cable. | |
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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro
1 edit | said by mr anon :
I'm not exactly for the HAM operators but I'm not for them getting stamped out either.
Here is the problem with HAM's argument. "If there were ever a problem" "This is what we are doing here" and it all seems hypothetical and... made up for the most part.
If they want people on their side they are going to have to get coverage. Not just special interest stores or quick mentions, we need stores like "Operator broadcasts emergency information for stricken city" or "first responders were operators" People getting medals and other recognition for this brave work they do in their spare time.
I'm not trying to discount it (right now) but people generally see HAM operators as those weird people that spend all their time in the basement playing with their expensive walkie-talkies. Combine that with hearing about phone companies and their mobile emergency communication vans and it goes a long way to discredit whatever the community has done.
They have a right to fight it, but they are going to need fresh comebacks and examples and a slew of excellent press if they are to get any help from any other source than their own supporters.
By no means are we playing with "walkie talkies." Please learn a little something about our service before you criticize it.
The truth is that it is our RIGHT to have a portion of the spectrum, under the International Communications Union.... We are simply providing facts about how we are helping others, what do you want us to do?
Quite honestly, we don't need to please you... It's a waste of time, we need only please the government agencies that allow us to use the spectrum.
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| | | | Re: Here is my take. I dont see why ham frequencies are more important then basically an internet connection. I have not heard any hargument that ham radio people have provided that states why ham radios are more important then the internet. | |
| | |  JammerMan79Premium,VIP
join:2004-05-13
Prince George, BC
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1 edit | Re: Here is my take. I'm not a HAM but I have yet to hear someone say that it is...
Their problem seems to be that BPL blatantly flaunts the fact that it is interfering with the spectrum that they're licensed to use. And that the FCC refuses to acknowledge and correct the issue.
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| | | | | said by majortom1029:I dont see why ham frequencies are more important then basically an internet connection. I have not heard any hargument that ham radio people have provided that states why ham radios are more important then the internet. Ham radio isn't "more important" than the Internet, but you have to look at the bigger picture. HF radio spectrum, regardless of ham radio or not, is a valuable natural resource. It's the only radio spectrum that supports worldwide communications without any infrastructure.
Considering there are at least five other Internet access methods that don't trash wireless spectrum and BPL doesn't even use the spectrum it trashes to provide the service, that pretty much negates the argument for BPL displacing any wireless spectrum users. | |
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2 edits | said by majortom1029:I dont see why ham frequencies are more important then basically an internet connection. I have not heard any hargument that ham radio people have provided that states why ham radios are more important then the internet. Who's stopping you from using dial-up? You have internet, just not as fast. Even with BPL, you still will have slow crap connection. You'd be better off with ISDN.
Better example, the brat kid next door has been tinkering with your phone lines, and now you can hear the video game he plays on your phone line, but the telco is too lazy/stupid/over paid to fix it, and say the kid has the right to tinker, when you know it's against the law. Not to mention, the tech is sitting right next to you, with your line on speakerphone, and hears Everquest music playing, and says "Oh, it's suppose to do that." What do you do? Well, in your case, write the local government, etc. Whats happening with the HAM op's is they are disputing the technology, and the amount of interference, and it's falling on deaf ears. I use this example because, as stated before, this is what is happening. BPL interferes with frequencies it's not even suppose to be on. It's not that BPL is "stealing the channel" it's more like BPL is inefficient. Its like having 24/7 "vacuum cleaner" noise on the TV station you want to watch, only it's so bad, you can't see the picture. The vacuum cleaner has no reason to interfere with the TV channel you're watching, it's not a transmitter, so if you had to deal with all the time, you'd go nuts, but because the FCC allocates that frequency for TV USE ONLY, it doesn't happen too often, because when reported, they get in their lil trucks and sweep the neighborhood to find the source of the "violation", and slap him with either a cease and desist, or a big fine, which you never see the money for. They are failing to do that here, and are even praising the technology, while HAM operators suffer. The HAM's have the right of way here, and to argue that would be just as bad as someone taking your right to watch TV, or talk on the phone. It hasn't been OK, and will never be OK, plus BPL is such a big waste of $$ when we're talking about 30Mbps FiOS, and 100Mbps VDSL coming out. Who wants a crappy pipe like that. My cell phone gives me better speeds.
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| | | Please take that comment in context.
I'm not trying to discount it (right now) but people generally see HAM operators as those weird people that spend all their time in the basement playing with their expensive walkie-talkies...
They have a right to fight it, but they are going to need fresh comebacks and examples and a slew of excellent press if they are to get any help from any other source than their own supporters.
It was not an attract but an observation of how they are perceived outside their own society. Statements saying how you don't need to appeal to me, or to the general public, are seen as smug and stubborn. If the HAM operators are going to appeal to a gorverening body, especially one that doesn't seem to be paying attention, then they are going to need appeal of a much larger body than their own members. | |
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| | said by mr anon :
... made up for the most part.
To the people who were in the paths of the hurricanes the last few years, the assistance they received because of ham radio was very real.
To the earthquake victims in California, the tornado victims in Ohio, the flooding victims in West Virginia, the tsunami victims, the assistance was very real.
Most hams aren't in it for the publicity. Generally, we're not first responders, we're communicators, assisting the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, local authorities, etc.
said by mr anon :
...people generally see HAM operators as those weird people that spend all their time in the basement playing with their expensive walkie-talkies.
Let's see... substitute "Internet junkies" for Ham operators and "calculators" for walkie-talkies.
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| | | | Re: Here is my take. Once again, its a short paragraph you could quote it all.
in context
Here is the problem with HAM's argument. "If there were ever a problem" "This is what we are doing here" and it all seems hypothetical and... made up for the most part.
I'm not stating this as fact, what I am saying is that most of the arguments presented by most HAM, especially in forums and comments like these, seem to have no bases. The stories are told but there are no links to news articles no pictures of articles in papers no online videos and TV news stores.
I'm not discounting this at all, what I'm saying and what I've tried to state before is that to win this, HAMs should turn it into an human interest story. There should be tons upon tons of stores videos links to mainstream news and papers. There needs to be better are more public knowledge of their organization and their accomplishments because unfortunately it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong if you can't bring enough numbers to the table for the government to listen. | |
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