xerxes3642
join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO | I think Itunes
only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. |
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m critz
@turbinegames.com |  Uh...
iTunes audio is an encrypted format of AAC audio, not MP3.
It's the very same version and bitrate of AAC that you'll find on a DVD, just a two-channel stereo variant. |
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War Eagle
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Madison, AL
clubs:
| Not quite.
DVDs use either Dolby Digital or DTS (and even if they use DTS, they're required to have a DD track to satisfy DVD logo requirements). Dolby Digital uses the AC-3 codec (at a maximum of 448 kbps, although the original Xbox and PS3 can output at 640 kbps), which is nowhere near the same thing as Advanced Audio Coding (AAC), which is supported by a bunch of media players, including iTunes and the PS3. To make things slightly confusing, Dolby Labs was part of the group that developed the AAC standard.
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Johnny
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join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
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| reply to xerxes3642
said by xerxes3642  :only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. Never checked out the iTunes Store, I see. Just make stuff up and post it. |
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m critz
join:2007-02-20
Brookline, MA
|  reply to raw
You're half-right, half-wrong. It's true that 5.1 channel Dolby Digital or DTS has to have the requirements you posted.
However, DVDs don't need to be authored in 5.1 Dolby or DTS.
Your claim that AC-3 is "nowhere near" AAC is a point I would debate. AC-3 is Dolby-specific. DTS is Sony-specific. However, DVDs authored in stereo without the DD or DTS logos on the package are usually AAC. |
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War Eagle
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Madison, AL
clubs:
| First things first, welcome to the site. 
Second of all, maybe I'm just missing it, but I don't recall having seen a DVD player that will support AAC, especially since the DVD spec was finalized a full two years before AAC was accepted by MPEG.
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m critz
join:2007-02-20
Brookline, MA | Thanks for the welcome.
Also, you're probably right about AAC not being the defacto standard of DVDs.
When I get the wherewithal to do some research, I'll try to find who first claimed that AAC = DVD audio format. |
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War Eagle
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join:2001-01-17
Madison, AL
clubs: |  When you find out, let me know... I'm curious as well. |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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| reply to Johnny
said by Johnny :said by xerxes3642 :only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. Never checked out the iTunes Store, I see. Just make stuff up and post it. So what? He said mp3 instead of mp4/aac. The fact is iTunes music downloads are 128kb AAC's. While it is true that a 128kbps AAC /may/ sound as good as a 192kbps mp3, the fact of the matter is - That still sucks. |
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SimbaTLK1
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Bethel Park, PA
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| reply to Johnny
said by Johnny :said by xerxes3642 :only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. Never checked out the iTunes Store, I see. Just make stuff up and post it. There's also no such thing as a 256k wave file...
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Pirate515
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join:2001-01-22
Brooklyn, NY
|  reply to Mchart
said by Mchart :So what? He said MP3 instead of MP4/AAC. The fact is iTunes music downloads are 128 kbps AAC's. While it is true that a 128 kbps AAC may sound as good as a 192 kbps MP3, the fact of the matter is - that still sucks. 128 kbps AAC doesn't sound better than 192 kbps MP3 to me. If anything, it does sound slightly better than 128 kbps MP3, but not by much.
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Johnny
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join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
·Comcast
| reply to Mchart
said by Mchart :So what? He said mp3 instead of mp4/aac. The fact is iTunes music downloads are 128kb AAC's. While it is true that a 128kbps AAC /may/ sound as good as a 192kbps mp3, the fact of the matter is - That still sucks. No, he said that iTunes "only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format".
It isn't mp3 format. Anyone who knew anything about the iTS would know that. |
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xerxes3642
join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO | reply to m critz
I was talking about music, but thanks for showing me your superior knowledge. |
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xerxes3642
join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to Johnny
yes, sorry mp4, which is useless untill you transcode it to something else. Not much better than mp3. Point is, without areguing unimportant techie points... that the paid for downloads are of lower quality than any uncompressed format you would buy at the store on a cd. |
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ThatsPrettyFunky
join:2001-08-28
Derwood, MD
| reply to SimbaTLK1
said by SimbaTLK1 :said by Johnny :said by xerxes3642 :only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. Never checked out the iTunes Store, I see. Just make stuff up and post it. There's also no such thing as a 256k wave file... --Matt sure there is, it's just 8kHz 16 bit stereo and sounds like crap.
.. or 16khz 8 bit stereo, or 16khz 16 bit mono, or... well, any other combination where the sampling rate * sample size * number of channels is 256k...
Of course, none of it sounds very good, but it exists. |
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Johnny
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Atlanta, GA
·Comcast
| reply to xerxes3642
said by xerxes3642 :yes, sorry mp4, which is useless untill you transcode it to something else. Useless? They play on the iPod and on iTunes just fine.
Not much better than mp3. Point is, without areguing unimportant techie points... that the paid for downloads are of lower quality than any uncompressed format you would buy at the store on a cd.
Compressed is better quality than uncompressed? Who knew? |
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Mchart
Super Joe
join:2004-01-21
Gurnee, IL
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·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | You would have to be deaf to think that a 128kbps AAC sounds as good as the same song on a CD.
To expand on this -
For the purpose of seeing if iTunes were any good or not, I downloaded Comfortably Numb using the service. I have the song on many various CD's, DVD's, tapes, 8-Tracks, and LP's.
I listened to the iTunes download of it once, and was disgusted. I deleted the thing without a second thought. I would rather listen to comfortably numb using my 26 year old LP as the source. Thats how bad it was. |
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xerxes3642
join:2006-02-24
Saint Charles, MO | you can make a wave file as big as you want |
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RadioDoc
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| reply to Johnny
said by Johnny :said by xerxes3642 : Not much better than mp3. Point is, without areguing unimportant techie points... that the paid for downloads are of lower quality than any uncompressed format you would buy at the store on a cd. Compressed is better quality than uncompressed? Who knew? If you had read before posting you'd see that he said that uncompressed is better quality than any compressed format.
And even with iPods and iTunes around, they still are the minority when it comes to players. If you want to actually use the files you *bought* you need to transcode them into something else, and since they are already compressed on iTunes you just make a bad situation worse.
CD files are uncompressed 1,440 kbps, 16 bit stereo PCM. That blows the doors off anything on iTunes.
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GilbertMark
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join:2001-05-02
Gilbert, AZ
·Cox HSI
| reply to Mchart
said by Mchart :said by Johnny :said by xerxes3642 :only gives you downloads at 128k, and in mp3 format which isn't cd quality. If they wanted to give out 256k in Wave format, now you're talking quality songs worth $1. Never checked out the iTunes Store, I see. Just make stuff up and post it. So what? He said mp3 instead of mp4/aac. The fact is iTunes music downloads are 128kb AAC's. While it is true that a 128kbps AAC /may/ sound as good as a 192kbps mp3, the fact of the matter is - That still sucks. Well 128 AAC sounds great to me. Glad I'm not cursed with your hearing. I enjoy my music just fine.
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