wispagod
join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO | reply to Lazlow
Re: Charter Corrupting DNS protocol (ie: hijacking hosts)
I'm not stealing i'm borrowing with out direct permission. |
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ISP_Gal
@charter.com
| said by wispagod  :I'm not stealing i'm borrowing with out direct permission. omg .. it's like a joke, without all the funny  |
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budone
join:2002-09-07
Traverse City, MI
 ·Charter Pipeline
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said by wispagod :I'm not stealing i'm borrowing with out direct permission. Since you are 'borrowing' what are you giving back in return???? |
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useless
join:2006-07-16 | reply to joeykahn
*BUMP*
Check this again. In St Louis I think we reverted back to the old DNS, would be interested to see if the MI people reverted back as well. |
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joeykahn
join:2005-09-10
Bay City, MI | Thanks, "useless". No change here, yet ;( |
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wispagod
join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO
| reply to useless
there for a few day's i had website i know was up cause they was loading for a buddy over a IM, and i changed DNS servers and the site worked, liket here 24.217.0.5 server was not resolving new address.. but i just changed dns servers now all is good!  |
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test5477
join:2005-12-20
Asheville, NC | reply to joeykahn
used 4.2.2.1 and all is fine for now but this is horrible, called cs and they had no clue wtf i was talking about.
thanks for the help guys, you saved me from a nervous breakdown I was getting that page all the time |
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wispagod
join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO | there is also a 24.217.1.162 and it runs like GREAT! |
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HappyBunny
Hi. Cram It.
Premium
join:2001-06-23
Long Beach, CA | Charter just changed it over in Southern California--perhaps just this week, as I had never seen it before. I too switched DNS servers. It just annoys me to see Charter ads. |
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wispagod
join:2001-06-28
House Springs, MO | Makes me wonder if charter sells our click stream data as well. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| said by wispagod :Makes me wonder if charter sells our click stream data as well. DNS server is the most practical place to see where people want to go. Proxy servers can be a pain to implement and search is only as relevant as the destination you actually "click-through" to.
If you resolve "homedepot.com" for a large majority of your customers in a given area, you can sell more "Home Depot" services directly to a given market. If you see a lot of "adult type" resolutions, well, you can figure that out as well.
BIND 4 teh w1n!!!11!1 |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
 ·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by DaSneaky1D :DNS server is the most practical place to see where people want to go. Not really. The purpose of DNS is to convert names to numbers. If you want to know where people are going, just log the destinations of the traffic.
DNS redirects are about revenue. The ISP can charge advertisers fees for redirecting failed lookups to specific pages.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| said by NormanS :said by DaSneaky1D :DNS server is the most practical place to see where people want to go. Not really. The purpose of DNS is to convert names to numbers. If you want to know where people are going, just log the destinations of the traffic. What if the destination IP had 100 virtual web hosts associated it?
Seeing where people intend to go is more worthwhile. |
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NormanS
Premium,MVM
join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by DaSneaky1D :What if the destination IP had 100 virtual web hosts associated it? Seeing where people intend to go is more worthwhile. DNS doesn't reveal that information. You would have to log the packets.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| OK, my perspective comes from the use of DNS servers that never return 404 errors...yet instead take you to a private search page ads related to the intended destination.
I know what DNS servers do and don't do. I'm talking about the DNS service Charter recently started using...and they do reveal desired destinations.
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:: my trivial ramblings :: |
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Darkk
join:2003-10-03
Almont, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| If you take a look on the site of the company hosting the DNS corruption, er re-direction, you'll see one of the features mentioned is inserted ads on the re-direct page based on browsing history.
So yeah, they are using the DNS interception to track your Internet wanderings. What they are doing with it and who they are selling it to I can't get out of Corporate Escalation. And, months later I have yet to get through to a live person at Charter Corporate. They are purposely and completely ducking this DNS corruption issue. They won't return calls on the issue. You get a blow-off email and letter telling you that Charter has tried numerous times to contact you (they don't) and the numbers they give you for contact never are answered by a live person, nor are the voice mail messages you leave ever returned.
The Internet runs on standards, and they horribly broke one of the core standards with the DNS change and re-direction. |
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bartg
join:2000-08-27
Burbank, CA
| reply to joeykahn
Charter has also implemented their corrupt version of DNS protocol recently (~1 week) here in Burbank CA as well. I doubt it will be left in place for long, and will probably end up costing them far more to deal with the mess (answer to ICANN, settle potential class actions, bad press . . .) than the immediate short term profits effectively stolen from users.
Not to mention the person(s) at Charter that cooked this one up. Hope they don't make too many typo's trying to get to monster . . . |
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joeykahn
join:2005-09-10
Bay City, MI
| Yep, bartg, Charter's new "service" is very annoying. I ended up previously known internal DNS servers from Charter's business class service -- which I used to have, long ago, when the finer company of Bresnan Communications ran things locally .
Let us know how your charms work on Charter, please 
Best,
Joey |
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Monster Rain
Premium
join:2002-08-03
USA | reply to joeykahn
You guys must make a lot of typos. |
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joeykahn
join:2005-09-10
Bay City, MI
| Well, with help from the entire world of broken links too, Pat, other people's typos become your own.
Really, it isn't just about typos; these sort of high level DNS changes ruin various applications including my site download scripts and other software. Broken (hostname) links are still a way of life on the web.
The problem is more than being annoying from making a "typo" when you have to dig through 25 years of tools and library code.
I thought I retired; then again, I have plenty of time on my hands, right? |
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