Kearnstd
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the citizens voted over a year ago to build this thing, what right does the court have to overturn that vote to make AT&T happy. a smart judge would force the cable and telcos to pay back all the legal fees.
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clubs: | The courts have the power to overturn any law, voted on by the people or not, that they deem unconstitutional. |
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AJICQ499087
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| The courts have the right to make up laws and drop laws from the books the people voted on. Is it justice? Of course Not. But foolishly the courts have too much power and often abuse the power.
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| said by AJICQ499087  :The courts have the right to make up laws and drop laws from the books the people voted on. Is it justice? Of course Not. But foolishly the courts have too much power and often abuse the power. Justice or not, determining the constitutionality of a law is exactly what they are there for. Of course, not everyone is going to agree with all of their rulings. I certainly don't.
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ff1324
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said by AJICQ499087 :The courts have the right to make up laws... No, they don't. They may strike down laws deemed unconstitutional, but they do not draft new legislation.
said by AJICQ499087 :But foolishly the courts have too much power and often abuse the power. What powers would you remove from the courts?
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said by AJICQ499087 : But foolishly the courts have too much power and often abuse the power. Courts don't have too much power. Citizens (and Corps) who can continue to file frivolous lawsuits causing our legal system to be caught up in stupid crap instead of focusing on more important issues is whats wrong with our court systems.
BellSouth should have never been allowed to file a lawsuit. The PEOPLE voted. The PEOPLE want it. It's THE PEOPLE's MONEY.
I hope the Supreme Court rules that BellSouth is out of line. Forces them to repay every single penny that LA has had to pay to fight this frivolous lawsuit instead of laying the fiber and connecting their citizens.
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pnh102
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said by ff1324 :they [The Courts] do not draft new legislation. They don't draft it, they just make it up.
Things like the Kelo decision, getting rid of the death penalty for minors, requiring the PGA to allow for exceptions for physically unqualified athletes and other such rulings have no basis in the Constitution, but are law now nonetheless.
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| said by pnh102 :Things like the Kelo decision, getting rid of the death penalty for minors, requiring the PGA to allow for exceptions for physically unqualified athletes and other such rulings have no basis in the Constitution, but are law now nonetheless. The death penalty ruling is the courts exercising their duty to interpret the Constitution Amendment 8, "nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." They can define cruel and unusual punishment however they want. It's subjective and that subjectivity is the burden of the courts. You can agree on the ruling or not, but it's certainly their ball to play.
I know nothing about the basis of the physically unqualified athletes case, but I'm sure if you read the judges rulings they filed it explains that basis of their reasoning for that decision.
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pnh102
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| said by Maxo :The death penalty ruling is the courts exercising their duty to interpret the Constitution Amendment 8, "nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." They can define cruel and unusual punishment however they want. Except when the Constitution makes very clear that a person may be deprived of life through due process of law. As a result, the death penalty is not "cruel and unusual" punishment. Look at this another way. There are 12 states which do not impose the death penalty for any crime. An activist opinion on the Supreme court say, with full legality, that these bans are illegal and these states must impose the death penalty.
said by Maxo :I know nothing about the basis of the physically unqualified athletes case, but I'm sure if you read the judges rulings they filed it explains that basis of their reasoning for that decision. And its perfectly wrong, because the Constitution does not grant the government the power to regulate the rules of professional sports. Come to think of it, I will go sue the NBA so that I can play even though I am nowhere close to being physically able to play any professional sport 
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said by pnh102 :Things like the Kelo decision, getting rid of the death penalty for minors, requiring the PGA to allow for exceptions for physically unqualified athletes and other such rulings have no basis in the Constitution, but are law now nonetheless. Again, they have not written NEW legislation. They have ruled on the interpretation of EXISTING legislation. No NEW law has been created. They do NOT just "make it up."
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said by pnh102 :Except when the Constitution makes very clear that a person may be deprived of life through due process of law. As a result, the death penalty is not "cruel and unusual" punishment. Look at this another way. There are 12 states which do not impose the death penalty for any crime. An activist opinion on the Supreme court say, with full legality, that these bans are illegal and these states must impose the death penalty. Last time I checked the US still implements the death penalty.
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pnh102
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| said by Maxo :Last time I checked the US still implements the death penalty. The US Federal Government, military, and all but 12 states have a death penalty.
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said by pnh102 :Things like the Kelo decision, getting rid of the death penalty for minors, requiring the PGA to allow for exceptions for physically unqualified athletes and other such rulings have no basis in the Constitution, but are law now nonetheless. Of the three, the death penalty case is probably the best argument that the court "made up law" even though it is based in an interpretation of the 8th amendment.
Kelo: Ruled that there was not existing law forbidding what happened in Kelo and that the redevelopment project did not compose a takings under the 5th amendment. No existing law made such a project a "takings" (and it is actually common for laws to elevate certain types of permissable public use to a takings, like Measure 37 in Oregon). Overturning the actions in Kelo would have been much close to "made up law". Still, the "public purpose" test used in Kelo is akin to "made up law", but since there was no existing law to create a test between public and private use, something had to be implemented either way.
Death Penalty: The ruling focused on the death penalty for minors. At the time of the ruling, the United States was the only country in the world that still legally allowed the execution of minors and carried out such executions (Somalia was the only other country not to ratify the Rights of the Child treaty, but still outlaws child executions, Bangladesh allows the practice, but has not executed a minor in 20 years and did ratify the Rights of the Child treaty). The big disagreement in the Supreme Court was whether the cruel and unusual standard applies under modern standards, or whether it has to be applied to standards that existed when the bill of rights was ratified. Otherwise, O'Connor was the only justice who argued that under current standards execution of a minor is not cruel and unusual punishment. Scalia believed that only the legislature could change the standards of cruel and unusual from those that existed when the bill of rights was ratified.
PGA (Casey Martin): Ruled that the PGA was required to allow Martin to use a golf cart as an accomodation for his handicap in order to perform his job as walking between holes was not as essential component of the athletic competition. The PGA is cleary engaging in interstate commerce and subject to ADA. Unlike you playing in the NBA, Martin qualifed for the PGA tour and thus clearly demonstrated he had the physical skills to play professional golf, (and even the physical skills to walk between holes0 He just could not walk between holes without taking a significantly higher risk of death than other golfers. In other words, Martin was not a "physically unqualified athlete". He proved his qualifications in tour qualifying. The existing law (ADA) was applied.
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So we are in agreement. The Supreme Court has not overruled that a person may be deprived of life through due process of law. |
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Kearnstd
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however the SC might rule a person can be deprived on broadband because a corperation doesnt see their county as profitable while prohibiting the town from solving that problem.
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I hate to ruin your ideals BUT Court is NOT a search for Justice at all but a Search for the most palatable truth. |
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said by Maxo :The courts have the power to overturn any law, voted on by the people or not, that they deem unconstitutional. True... But where is the law that would be deemed (unconstitutional), here?
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| said by nixen :said by Maxo :The courts have the power to overturn any law, voted on by the people or not, that they deem unconstitutional. True... But where is the law that would be deemed (unconstitutional), here? On top of determining the constitutionality of laws, it also rules on the legality of anything that someone brings before it. In this case the ISPs are bringing the city to court. It's up to the courts to determine the legality of a municipal ISP, based on the current laws.
I am not defending incumbents or municipalities here. I am saying that statements such as what right does the court have to overturn that vote The courts have the right to make up laws and drop laws from the books the people voted on. Is it justice? Of course Not. But foolishly the courts have too much power and often abuse the power. and ...and other such rulings have no basis in the Constitution, but are law now nonetheless. are statements of ignorance, not fact. It is a fact that nobody agrees with all of the decisions courts make. It is not a fact that the courts are systematically filling the role of the legislative branch.
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