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Re: Wait one said by bmn:said by viperlmw:Where is your evidence? Do you know exactly how Google connects to the Internet, and how much they pay who and for what? Have you seen an invoice or other itemized detail? Maybe some others here have things to learn. Sorry, but you have examples of Google having nothing but peering agreements where ? Considering a lot of peering agreements are placed under non-disclosure agreements, how could you produce such evidence without suddenly being open to a lawsuit ? Sorry, but the assumption is that Google is paying for transport in locations where they aren't peering. Additionally, if you had an idea about the type of traffic that Google generated, mostly unidirectional, it is unlikely that they would exclusively have SFI (settlement free interconnect) or free peering agreements. They may be at some of the major exchange points and some of the smaller ISPs may have interconnected with them just to reduce their costs, but a large network that is incurring a cost from having Google peered with little return isn't going to let them enter into an SFI agreement for long. Google is paying for the bandwidth it is using. Clearly you need to get a bit more familiar with the way the internet works. BTW, your grammar isn't exactly English 101, either.  The OP's post takes the cake for bad grammar. Perhaps you should note that you have grammar oddities of your own too. Either way, the OP's posts have always between poorly written rants. I just noticed this reply to my post from almost 2 weeks ago, but can't let it stand. Where do you get off telling others what they need to do? You throw around buzzwords and terms like peering and SFI and tell me I need to "get a bit more familiar with the way the internet works", without any evidence to support your assumptions.
I never said that I "have examples of Google having nothing but peering agreements". You are assuming that they do not: "Sorry, but the assumption is that Google is paying for transport in locations where they aren't peering", however you offer no evidence, just buzzwords (kinda like what you accused me of months ago about net neutrality and Cisco, and told me then that I needed to learn more).
Your tag on your Sig says "Prove it", yet you fail to do this. I have never made any personal statements about you (either good, bad, or indifferent), with the possible exception of "BTW, your grammar isn't exactly English 101, either". It appears you are somewhat defensive, trying to justify your attack on the OP "The OP's post takes the cake for bad grammar. Perhaps you should note that you have grammar oddities of your own too. Either way, the OP's posts have always between poorly written rants". I never said that I don't have grammar oddities. You're pointing out that I have oddities seems kind of small. I was trying to prompt you to come up with some evidence as your tag indicates you need, but you have not come up with any. As a result, all of your assumptions aren't worth spit, and your 'superior knowledge' has been shown to be hollow.
You appear to be an ExMod, yet write in a very un-moderator way (I don't suppose the Ex part and your tendency towards personal attack have anything to do with each other). Please stop the personal attacks. I like many others here still have lots to learn. If you are so smart, and so knowledgeable and so connected with the industry, then please help impart that knowledge to others, as well as me, in a non-judgemental, non-condescending manner. And always remember, if you are going with the tag "Prove it", then remember that others will hold you to that standard as well. | |
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2 edits | Wow... Talk about getting hung up on something.
Your tag on your Sig says "Prove it", yet you fail to do this. I never have to prove the negative. You made an assumption that Google pays for none of their bandwidth. I merely pointed out that your assumption was faulty because you had no proof to back it. Ergo, your assumption held no water. As for buzzwords and technical terms, they are relevant to the discussion.
Additionally, telling you to get an understanding of SFI before you step into the discussion where the issue is going to come up when it seems that you don't know how SFI works its perfectly excusable. If you had an understanding of SFI, you would know EXACTLY why Google has to be paying for bandwidth.
You appear to be an ExMod, yet write in a very un-moderator way (I don't suppose the Ex part and your tendency towards personal attack have anything to do with each other). Nope... As for the way I write, it has to do with the fact that on a regular basis I have to respond to many people who have NO clue about X but think they have a clue about X and try to sound like they have a clue about X. That's not specifically directed at you, honestly, rather at years of people coming on the boards and calling X a Y, saying something totally wrong about Z, etc. etc.
You should just let this drop...
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