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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

Our society has become dependent on electricity.....

As our society has become more and more dependent on electricity, we pay the price. Electric rates are going up and we still need more power. An airport makes all its money from gate rentals and landing fees so someone has to pay for it.

Time to unplug a bit.


Guru5

join:2005-12-01
Canada
And the engineers are regarding electricity as the next gen source for automobiles.

Let's do easy things first; change all that light bulbs in your houses to fluorescent light bulbs. They really beat that yellowish light that reminds you of your own bathroom or some household in the 50's or 60's. Flourescents are a lot more efficient in both costs/energy use.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

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said by Guru5:

And the engineers are regarding electricity as the next gen source for automobiles.
Yeah, so? Two things wrong with that statement of yours.

1. Even though there are kits that allow people to charge up those hybrid electric cars off of household power, the car companies don't want it. They sold their hybrids off the premise that you never have to plug it in and those kits are around $10,000.

2. No one thought about the recycling costs when those batteries have to be replaced in about 8 years. Not to mention the cost of new batteries.

said by Guru5:

Let's do easy things first; change all that light bulbs in your houses to fluorescent light bulbs. They really beat that yellowish light that reminds you of your own bathroom or some household in the 50's or 60's. Flourescents are a lot more efficient in both costs/energy use.
Lots of people are going to be upset when those fluorescent lights are no longer compatible with their dimmer switches.

claco

join:2002-09-29
Tallmadge, OH
said by moonpuppy:

Lots of people are going to be upset when those fluorescent lights are no longer compatible with their dimmer switches.
Or, they could have read the packaging, and purchased dimmer-compatible CFLs.
--
Six of one, 1,426/2,852 dozen of the other.


c0de8

join:2004-10-14
Richmond, VA
reply to Guru5
Apparently you dont know how horrible fluorescent light makes you look, have you ever tried to set the mood with some fluorescent light?

Give me incadescent any day! I realize it uses more power, but thats why i have dimmers.

How about LED lighting? I wonder if that is going to come about at all, or is it too expecive to produce? does it use more or less power?

eww, or even better, use that new mesh oled stuff on your celing, talk about tripping!


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
reply to moonpuppy
said by moonpuppy:

Even though there are kits that allow people to charge up those hybrid electric cars off of household power, the car companies don't want it.
Not to mention the fact that electrical generation is amongst the United States' most polluting of industries.
--
Only SHATNER is Kirk.


PhoenixAZ
Get A Mac
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join:2004-01-04
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:1
reply to c0de8
said by c0de8:

Apparently you dont know how horrible fluorescent light makes you look, have you ever tried to set the mood with some fluorescent light?

Give me incadescent any day! I realize it uses more power, but thats why i have dimmers.

How about LED lighting? I wonder if that is going to come about at all, or is it too expecive to produce? does it use more or less power?

eww, or even better, use that new mesh oled stuff on your celing, talk about tripping!
LEDs are even brigher! Ouch to my eyes, never stare directly into the light
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Fatal Vector

join:2005-11-26
"Apparently you dont know how horrible fluorescent light makes you look, have you ever tried to set the mood with some fluorescent light? "

Use the "sunlight" or "daylight" bulbs. Much better light overall. Considering you get the same amount of light for 1/4 the electric used (EG: a 60 Watt flourescent uses only 15 watts), never mind that you dont have all that waste heat for your AC to deal with in summer and they last 3 or 4 times longer.

All I know is that they knock the stuffing out of my electric bill each month, especially since I run a few outside security lights all night.

moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD
reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

said by moonpuppy:

Even though there are kits that allow people to charge up those hybrid electric cars off of household power, the car companies don't want it.
Not to mention the fact that electrical generation is amongst the United States' most polluting of industries.
I'd really like to see a VALID study on electrical use and alternative fuels.

Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles were the rage with domestic automakers BUT the cost to get hydrogen from natural gas was high not only in price but the amount of electricity needed to do it. Nuclear submarines "crack" seawater to get oxygen while underwater (and vents the waste hydrogen) but they have a nuclear reactor to make that happen.

Someone once mentioned that if everyone converted to electric cars, the pollution would be greater because of all the extra electrical generation plants needed to keep up with demand.


pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
said by moonpuppy:

I'd really like to see a VALID study on electrical use and alternative fuels.
The Wall Street Journal had an op-ed about the effects of California's policy of allowing hybrid cars to use the HOV lanes. Apparently the price of hybrid vehicles got to be so high that they would need to be drive for at least half a million miles before any savings against the price of gasoline would be realized.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.

xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
reply to Guru5
said by Guru5:

And the engineers are regarding electricity as the next gen source for automobiles.

Let's do easy things first; change all that light bulbs in your houses to fluorescent light bulbs. They really beat that yellowish light that reminds you of your own bathroom or some household in the 50's or 60's. Flourescents are a lot more efficient in both costs/energy use.
More efficient, but we need to get over the mercury issue.

Pick your evil.

xsiddalx

join:2005-03-11
Chicago, IL
reply to pnh102
said by pnh102:

said by moonpuppy:

I'd really like to see a VALID study on electrical use and alternative fuels.
The Wall Street Journal had an op-ed about the effects of California's policy of allowing hybrid cars to use the HOV lanes. Apparently the price of hybrid vehicles got to be so high that they would need to be drive for at least half a million miles before any savings against the price of gasoline would be realized.
It could also be argued that the government created a demand for HOV lanes, by creating HOV lanes. If HOV lanes were faster than the rest of the lanes, people certainly factored the use of HOV lanes into their purchase "price" decisions.

That article confuses the TOTAL cost of the vehicle with the cost of the fuel required to power it. Vehicle price encompasses more than the sum of it's parts.

WSJ OP-EDs are a scant bit higher on the truthiness mark than fox news. They are, after all, OP-EDs.

Disclaimer: I DO subscribe to WSJ