Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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I fail to see how DSL is the better value versus cable.
If someone subscribes to AT&T's 3000k service, (that is really 2.4 in disguise factoring in the overhead)..
they're going to pay 25.00 per month for it.
Add to that the 20.00 per month phone line that someone HAS to have in order to get the service..and you are now at 2.00 more per month than Comcasts 6000/384k standard service (that with powerboost gives up to 12,000 +/- at times).
You are getting over twice the speeds..and many times up to FIVE times the speed of that DSL connection for less money.
Take that same scenario up to AT&T's 6,000k dsl (5200k in disguise) connection (for those that would even qualify)..and you are now at 34.95 + the phone line...or MORE than Comcasts standard tier pricing.
The telco's dsl is only cheaper because their required, way overpriced..landline business is subsidizing it.
And, it's only cheaper because people are in most instances, getting far less speeds than they would with cable.
By using Vonage and dumping AT&T and their traditional landline/long distance service..I now save 50 to 60.00 per month just on that alone.
This savings single handedly pays for my entire Comcast 8000/768k connection each month (52.95 for this level of service).
And so now, for this price, I get speeds with powerboost of up to 20,000k on the download side.
This package simply blows away any dsl/telco/long distance package you want to throw at it in terms of speeds and pricing.
I think that the majority of cable customers today have thought this whole thing through and have found that cable really does provide the speeds..and value overall..particularly when packaged properly with a voip service as well.
I realize that there may be some who don't subscribe to cable tv for whom cable HSI would be more and, other variations to the above that might make dsl make a little more sense, but overall when you factor in the required pots line..dsl just comes out to be one expensive service for the speeds compared to cable most of the time.
I think the telco's could stand to gain quite a bit more business if they would just drop the phone requirement.
Undoubtedly some cable customers would then migrate to dsl and find that a 3,000k 25.00 connection was sufficient for them.
And, conversely, I really don't understand why most cable companies don't venture off into the lower speed tiers and compete more effectively with the slower speed dsl tiers.
They could undoubtedly take many customers from the telco's.
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | You also forget that cable providers also charge for NOT having cable TV from them, with Charter its $10 extra a month on top of HSI, I heard with some its $15-20. |
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Rick
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Waterbury, CT
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| said by markopoleo  :You also forget that cable providers also charge for NOT having cable TV from them, with Charter its $10 extra a month on top of HSI, I heard with some its $15-20. I didn't forget. I did mention that.
"I realize that there may be some who don't subscribe to cable tv for whom cable HSI would be more "
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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Burlington, MA | reply to Rick
What about naked DSL - a POTS line is not always required. You forgot to mention the caps you get w/ cable - and the slowdown when all your neighbors are online, too.
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cwh
join:2006-05-14
San Antonio, TX
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said by Rick :And, conversely, I really don't understand why most cable companies don't venture off into the lower speed tiers and compete more effectively with the slower speed dsl tiers. They could undoubtedly take many customers from the telco's. It is simple, they dont want $45 customers turning into $25 dollar customers. Most consumers have little need for the fastest internet available. |
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Defcon888
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San Bruno, CA
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I forgot to mention that I'm going to be moving to San Bruno, CA. They are not served by Comcast but instead by San Bruno Municipal Cable. For 39.99/mo or so (minimum 384k DOWN) I'd rather go back to at&t.
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Yauch
join:2005-06-24 | reply to Rick
I never get tired of this argument from the Cable fans. Naked at&t DSL 29.99 is a terrible deal. Comcast naked HSI 57.99. Obviously 58 30. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
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All your neighbors don't have to be online in order to experience slowdowns - a single user can cause degradation. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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Jamestown, NC
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said by Yauch :I never get tired of this argument from the Cable fans. Naked at&t DSL 29.99 is a terrible deal. Comcast naked HSI 57.99. Obviously 58 30. Ok, let me go sign up for naked 768Kbps DSL for $29.99.
Oh wait, I'll just go sign up for RR Lite, which is twice the speed for 4 cents less.
»www.timewarnercable.com/piedmont···ing.html
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Matt
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said by SteveCon :What about naked DSL - a POTS line is not always required. You forgot to mention the caps you get w/ cable - and the slowdown when all your neighbors are online, too. My cable isn't capped and I don't notice slowdowns. Those problems have been resolved.
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by Matt :said by SteveCon :What about naked DSL - a POTS line is not always required. You forgot to mention the caps you get w/ cable - and the slowdown when all your neighbors are online, too. My cable isn't capped and I don't notice slowdowns. Those problems have been resolved. Oh you get 38000/10000 on your cable line? if not, you are capped.
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
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You can experience the same slow downs with DSL. The only difference is DSL puts the shared line part at a different place than cable. With cable they can easily add new customers to a node and up the fiber speed to the node or split it. With DSL they actually have to order new equipment and wait to install it at times. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH | reply to Defcon888
Isn't the SBMC in limited areas with Comcast in the rest? |
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JTRockville
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said by hottboiinnc :...With cable they can easily add new customers to a node and up the fiber speed to the node or split it... I don't think it's such an easy thing to do. If it is, why do cable companies terminate customers? |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Actually prove that they have terminated customers. Customers receiving notices is one thing. Them actually doing it is another. Just because Comcast sends these letters out do not really mean anything but to scare the customer. But AT&T does the same thing with Cingular they'll terminate you for roaming too much or what ever their reason maybe because you don't make them "enough" on your contract.
and Cable doesn't do it because like all Bells- They don't have to. |
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JTRockville
Data Ho
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Rockville, MD
clubs: | If you want "proof" that cable companies actually terminate people, perhaps you should contact Frank. I think he's collecting names:
»comcastissue.blogspot.com/ |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
2 edits | Another Blog. Just because someone types it a News channel airs it especially Fox; its true. Just because you blog does not make it real.
I want solid proof. A threat letter and actually doing it is two different things.
And this from the CBS article:
The family says they have been listening to Portuguese radio, down loading movies, and playing games on line, so, maybe they used the internet more than most people.
How do you know he wasn't downloading so much that it actually affected others on the node. Movies take up a lot of gigs to download.
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This is not true! Comcast offered frank a business account, which frank declined: why? Because Frank says it would cost $10,000 to install, then up to $2,000 per month.
Has anyone actually seen the prices for Comcast Business Internet? It doesn't cost $10,000 to install and $2,000 per month.
But hell TWC Mid-Ohio RR has bandwidth usages for their RR Biz class customers. Its posted in their TOS and AUP but doesn't state what they are. |
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JTRockville
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| said by hottboiinnc :How do you know he wasn't downloading so much that it actually affected others on the node. Well, that was my point - a single person can cause degradation on a cable plant. And it's apparently not so easy to upgrade, or cable companies would do it instead of terminating their customers.
I could dig up "proof" of this policy (actual letters have been posted here many times), but why? I haven't kept my finger on the pulse of all cable companies but Comcast freely and publicly admits to the policy. |
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hottboiinnc
ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| The letters don't mean anything. A threat is only a threat.
And for a letter posted I can create a letter and say its from Time Warner and post it and call news stations up and report everything anyone will be willing to listen. And we all know how much the media likes to make a bigger issue out of something than it is.
but for Frank if he doesnt like it he should get a T-1 and share it with his neighbors just like anyone else that doesn't like their ISP's policies.
But why don't Telco's do anything about their networks for dsl; they don't have to. Until now they weren't worried about anything until the Cable Co's started taking their customers away because of prices on Digital Phone. |
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Defcon888
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join:2003-07-22
San Bruno, CA | reply to hottboiinnc
I punched in my street address and zip code on the comcast.com prequal system and it says Comcast does not serve it.
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