Re: That's not what torrents are for in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17900249 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:59:01 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 07:59:01 EDT Re: That's not what torrents are for http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17912071 footballdude :
said by brandon See Profile :

And no producer sells below their cost at your perceived and utterly arbitrary value. You didn't watch it for free. You missed it. Either wait for a rerun or pay the price to watch it when you want.
It's already been broadcast. All costs associated with producing that bit of film have been paid for. The price they are setting is completely arbitrary.

Since timeshifting has been declared legal by the courts and there's nothing stopping me from watching this at a friend's house, I see no reason why I shouldn't download something (from an internet friend) that's already been broadcast and watch it.

Since you have to pay to watch a movie, that's a different story. Up until someone broadcasts it, then I consider it fair use to download.
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said by footballdude See Profile :

said by brandon See Profile :

Why are you willing to pay $5.00 for a DVD? It's an arbitrary amount that you came up with, with no regard to cost of production or distribution, that you feel would be good.
No consumer ever makes a purchase based on cost of production or distribution. Every purchase you make is based on how much you value the good or service (i.e., how much you're willing to pay for it). There's no freaking way I'm going to pay $2 for a television show I could have watched for free.
And no producer sells below their cost at your perceived and utterly arbitrary value. You didn't watch it for free. You missed it. Either wait for a rerun or pay the price to watch it when you want.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17908105 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:11:14 EDT Re: That's not what torrents are for http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17902401 footballdude :
said by brandon See Profile :

Why are you willing to pay $5.00 for a DVD? It's an arbitrary amount that you came up with, with no regard to cost of production or distribution, that you feel would be good.
No consumer ever makes a purchase based on cost of production or distribution. Every purchase you make is based on how much you value the good or service (i.e., how much you're willing to pay for it). There's no freaking way I'm going to pay $2 for a television show I could have watched for free.
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said by snipper_cr See Profile :

I really cant wait to see what DRM these videos are going to be completely crippled by. You know for sure they will not allow it to be burnt to DVD. I am sure it will have relatively low to medium quality with stereo sound. If they really want to complete the picture, they will probably force you to install some propriatary software that has serious glitches and compatability issues. Ultimately, the service will be so useless and crippled by DRM that no one will use it.

Now, those are just my 2 bytes...that is all
not to mention paying to download at 5kbps or less.
burning will probably be an extra fee like it is with everyone else.
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Edit: Five months already betted on!
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

What kind of DRM are they putting on it? Month long rentals? DRM for sure. The MPAA just doesn't get it. People are NOT GOING TO PAY for something restricted. If they offered the TV shows in DVD quality for download, sure, I'd buy it. But I would need the ability to burn it to DVD. If they offered the movies for download in DVD quality, sure, I'd buy it. But again, If it's not cheaper than me renting it at blockbuster and making a copy, I'm not going to spend my money.

Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it.
Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it.

Charge me $25.00 for a movie, or $2.00 for a TV show, and I'll still download it, it just won't be from you, I'll get it from thepiratebay.org
Bittorent

You can buy TV shows for $1.99 and rent movies only (movies expire withint 24 hrs of you start watching them or within 30 days if you don't watch). It requires Windows Media Player 11.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17898225 Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:49:21 EDT Re: That's not what torrents are for http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17897926 Michieru2 : I give it 5 months. I bet my three pennies and a string (shipping and handling not included) ;)
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I rent DVDs NOW for $0.99 each.

I BUY DVDs for $5.99 in the bargain bins... $20.00 for a limited DRMed POS? Byte Me!

All that garbage *AND* wanting to use my bandwidth? Not happening!

This is one of the dumbest ideas yet!

Starting a pool, I say 6 months and it folds.

Who else?
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Now, those are just my 2 bytes...that is all
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said by karlmarx See Profile :

Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it.
Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it.
Why stop there? Why not DVDs for $3.00 and TV shows for 15 cents.

WAIT! I HAVE IT! WHY NOT DVDS FOR $1.00 AND TV SHOWS FOR 5 CENTS.

Wait a minute...why stop there? How about DVDs for 50 cents and TV shows for 3 pennies?

Oh crap let's just give it all away!

karlmarx, you know there is no end to your perpetual whining. If they were selling them at the price points you were asking, you would ask for lower. If they were selling for lower than your price points, you'd ask for lower, until you simply asked for them for free.

Don't believe me? Fine. Then answer this. Why are you willing to pay $5.00 for a DVD? It's an arbitrary amount that you came up with, with no regard to cost of production or distribution, that you feel would be good. What about the people out there that feel that $10.00 for a DVD is a good price (you still pay $20 in the store)? What about those that can't afford the $5.00 price point you suggested? They're going to say that your arbitrary $5.00 is too much.

The fact is, these sales still have to make a profit, so they have to pay enough to cover production costs, distribution costs, and still pay employees (not everyone is a rich exec in the MPAA). If you don't want to pay for something because you feel it costs too much, fine. Don't buy it. But don't turn around and steal it. I sure would like a Ferarri, but it costs too much. Doesn't mean I'm just going to steal it off the lot.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17897273 Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:58:43 EDT That's not what torrents are for http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17897238 karlmarx : What kind of DRM are they putting on it? Month long rentals? DRM for sure. The MPAA just doesn't get it. People are NOT GOING TO PAY for something restricted. If they offered the TV shows in DVD quality for download, sure, I'd buy it. But I would need the ability to burn it to DVD. If they offered the movies for download in DVD quality, sure, I'd buy it. But again, If it's not cheaper than me renting it at blockbuster and making a copy, I'm not going to spend my money.

Give me a DVD movie for $5.00, and I'll download it.
Give me a TV show for .25 cents, and I'll download it.

Charge me $25.00 for a movie, or $2.00 for a TV show, and I'll still download it, it just won't be from you, I'll get it from thepiratebay.org
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