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pvsurfer
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| Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? Hopefully, this is an appropriate forum for this concern (if not, please advise)...
I am behind a Westell 327W wireless router and Verizon is my ISP. I have the router's firewall configured to its 'High' setting, yet it is not hiding my IP address! Consequently, some private information (City, State, Domain, etc.) is out there for all to see.
I realize I could hide my IP by using a proxy service, but is there no 'direct' way to hide my IP?
Thanks.
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BlitzenZeus
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Beaverton, OR | Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? No, and why does it really matter? Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address. | |
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1 edit | Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? said by BlitzenZeus  :No, and why does it really matter? Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address. To me it's simply a matter of privacy violation. Besides which, I strongly suspect it triggers a lot of the spam emails I receive.
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BlitzenZeus
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? It is your rDNS, which is set by your isp, and nothing is going to change that. Also your isp uses dhcp so your ip address changes will change own its own.
It is not an invasion of privacy, its a matter of a location of the node, and if it happens to fall in the same city where you live, that is the way it happens.
The only way the site your visiting could connect you to it would be to first have your e-mail address, and attach what ever information it can get, so it would need to have your e-mail address first. In reality the most spam comes from retailers, and resellers from online orders.
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? The day after I placed an order on amazon.com I was getting mortgage spam with my name, and current address... The funny part was it was obvious I had an apartment number in the address which they didn't check for.
It was the company who amazon placed the order through that sold my information to spammers, and the address was spam free before that event.
Yes, robots looking for e-mail addresses on web pages/usenet/etc are a huge problem.
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| | | | | | pvsurfer
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Palos Verdes Peninsula, CA
| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? I usually learn a lot from this site and this thread wasn't an exception...
So thanks to all of you, I am enlightened and a special thanks to Daniel who also gave me an idea for dinner!
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| | | | | greenman3
join:2007-02-27
Kenner, LA
| heres a quick explanation that might help...
»www.auditmypc.com/whats-my-ip.asp
behind a router, "usually" its at least hard to see your PRIVATE IP
to find what that is, go to a command prompt, and type
ipconfig
if it doesnt show up on this page (java required)
»www.auditmypc.com/ip-address.asp
then you are pretty damnn safe IMHO.
I run a political website, and ive had lots of people trying to hack me.
Actually, mine (private IP) shows up, any suggestions on how to prevent this ?
I am behind a modem and a router...
anyway, heres some more reading on internal IP...
»www.auditmypc.com/internal-ip.html
also, speaking of spam,
a bit off topic, but heres a great tool to bust the bots.
»www.auditmypc.com/freescan/antispam.html
robots scan this page and get bunches of bad email addys,
and links to more pages of bad email addys,
and their database of addys is worthless.
i have a link to this on my homepage so i can post my email addy there with no problems. | |
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| said by BlitzenZeus :It is your rDNS, which is set by your isp, and nothing is going to change that. Also your isp uses dhcp so your ip address changes will change own its own. For a typical residential ISP, that is true. It is not however always true as is shown by this rDNS lookup for my static IP address.
Trying "234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa"
Using domain server:
Name: atlngahp-pub-ns1.covad.net
Address: 64.105.202.138#53
Aliases:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37290
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR
;; ANSWER SECTION:
234.0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN PTR dcs-net.net.
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NS ns4.covad.com.
0.134.66.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NS ns3.covad.com.
;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns3.covad.com. 12719 IN A 66.134.75.38
ns4.covad.com. 20132 IN A 66.134.75.39
The generic rDNS return value would look something like "h-66-134-0-234.atlngahp.covad.net" had I not requested a custom PTR record for my static IP.
Of course the actual IP address 66.123.0.234 is still publicly visible as it must be for my connection to work, so the rDNS/PTR value still does not in any way hide an IP address, nor does having a static IP address.
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| said by pvsurfer :I strongly suspect it triggers a lot of the spam emails I receive. For what it is worth, there is no way that someone is going to send you spam if all they know is your IP address. --
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| said by BlitzenZeus:
"Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address."
Lol, why don't you just let the police put a camera in your living room then? Your not doing anything wrong, right?
Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right?
Maybe you could be the first candidate for a rf transmitting corneal inplant, so everything you do can be monitored right through your own eyes. After all your completely innocent of any possible wrong doing, right?
I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though. | |
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| Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". | |
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nixen
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? said by webfootguy :Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". Of course, remember to only pay them with throw-away credit cards or "use once" credit card numbers. It would suck if some "our laws do not apply" company decided to leak your financial information...
Not saying that you will get screwed. Just pointing out that, at some point, you have to trust someone with your information. Personally, I'd rather give out my IP address which is only marginally identifying than giving out information necessary to "open an account".
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| said by webfootguy : You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". Which they will similarly give up if requested by their law officers
»https://www.relakks.com/faq/legal/
Cudni
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Portland, OR
| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? Yes, but the privacy protections under their laws are far better then afforded in the US plus it is possible to pay them anonymously and not enter any personal info. All sensitive traffic should be over a SSL link anyway (be sure to read the cert info carefully to avoid the man-in-the middle attacks). I think the strategy here is like being chased by the bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just not be the slowest person. The RIAA goes after the slowest/most obvious person (as well as hacker/criminal elements). It is a question of exposure to risks. My humble opinion. | |
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| said by freedom_rings :
said by BlitzenZeus:
"Unless your trying to do something malicious there is no reason to hide your ip address."
Lol, why don't you just let the police put a camera in your living room then? Your not doing anything wrong, right?
Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right?
Maybe you could be the first candidate for a rf transmitting corneal inplant, so everything you do can be monitored right through your own eyes. After all your completely innocent of any possible wrong doing, right?
I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though.
That's wonderful.....it's also irrelevant to this thread and the question that was asked.
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| said by freedom_rings :
I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though. Huh?! At best an IP address is going to show who your ISP is and possibly what town you're in or near. That's like complaining that you have a license plate on your car and a sticker from the dealership you bought it from. Routing your internet traffic through an unknown proxy server would be like giving a random guy in the street that GPS tracker in your car, in my opinion.
I worry more about the privacy of my USPS mail than I do my internet goings. Heck the Google ads bot is probably confused about me anyway since in the same session I'll search for pay day loans and then find a private jet to charter. | |
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? said by ElJay :Routing your internet traffic through an unknown proxy server would be like giving a random guy in the street that GPS tracker in your car, in my opinion. +1 on this.
the actual security risk posed to you by routing all your traffic through a proxy server controlled by an unknown party is far greater than the risk posed by your IP address being 'visible'.
The internet needs IP-to-IP communications to work, period.
If you dont think this is the case, your understanding of TCP/IP is flawed.
I'd recommend that.
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| said by freedom_rings :
Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right? Hate to break the news to you, but if your car's less than a decade old, you've already got a telemetry device in your car.
-tom
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| said by pvsurfer :I realize I could hide my IP by using a proxy service, but is there no 'direct' way to hide my IP? Hiding your IP address on the Internet is much like giving a fake address when you place a pizza delivery order. Sure, you'll trick the other side, but you won't ever get a pizza.
In short, the only way to USE the Internet is to give people your IP address. Otherwise, just like the pizza delivery guy, they'll send the stuff you want (web, mail, etc) somewhere else and you'll never get it.
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? I nominate Daniel 's response as the definitive answer to the question "why can't I hide my IP address?".
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Miami, FL | Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? Lets just send some spoofed echo packets to a broadcast. Does this still work ? lol | |
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Los Angeles, CA | Especially when it relies on header information the user can manipulate. Right now it thinks I'm using Internet Explorer 7 on Windows 3.1.  | |
| | astirusty
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| said by Daniel :Hiding your IP address on the Internet is much like giving a fake address when you place a pizza delivery order. Sure, you'll trick the other side, but you won't ever get a pizza. What about ordering 65,536 pizzas and having them sent to different addresses, only one of which is yours?  | |
| lovewomen
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| Use a software firewall like ZoneAlarm. There is a setting in Zone Alarm which you can hide your IP address.
said by pvsurfer :Hopefully, this is an appropriate forum for this concern (if not, please advise)... I am behind a Westell 327W wireless router and Verizon is my ISP. I have the router's firewall configured to its 'High' setting, yet it is not hiding my IP address! Consequently, some private information (City, State, Domain, etc.) is out there for all to see. I realize I could hide my IP by using a proxy service, but is there no 'direct' way to hide my IP? Thanks. | |
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| said by lovewomen :Use a software firewall like ZoneAlarm. There is a setting in Zone Alarm which you can hide your IP address. That is not true. | |
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1 edit | I hope I'm not diverting this thread, but I, too, worry *a little bit* about privacy. I haven't wanted to change my IP address, but it seems that advertisers know where I've been and are constantly targeting advertising at the sites I visit based on my IP address.
For example, if I visit a mortgage site, every big ad I see on well-managed sites after that seems to want to sell me a mortgage. I once had a Bose credit card, and it was sponsored by a bank that was also known for it's sub-prime loans. After that, all my other bank sites seemed to offer me only pictures of their happy customers who where from minorities. No majority faces anywhere. (This is neither good nor bad, but it does suggest some sort of profiling, if you will.)
I regularly clean out my cookies, but I feel that there is some tracking of IP addresses and my browsing habits that influences what I see on the web, and that's just a little disconcerting. I'd like to think I'm not paranoid, and I'm not ashamed of where I go on the web, but it just bugs me that there might be a marketing file assembled around my IP address. If that's true, then an anonymous IP address would be nice; kind of like a junk email address.
...or am I all wet about the technology? | |
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| | | | smoky_129
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| i may not be the sharpest spoon in the knife drawer but i don't see how spam has any thing to with your ip addy only spam i get is in my email which is yahoo msn gmail or snail mail my primary email may get 1 or 2 that gets deleted as soon as they are in my inbox and with firefox i rarely get pop-ups but then again i don't sign up with every porn site that comes my way | |
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M A R K
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clubs: | I like to hide my IP when trying to visit sites that cant be seen from america.
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M A R K
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clubs: | Why cant he do what i do, i just put a proxy in fire-fox and im all good.
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yesucan
@ccc.de | Yes you can. Just do a google search for somethin like hide ip. You'll find all kind of interesting stuff like wardriving, tunneling, Tor(not a proxy imo), vpn's etc... Don't listen to people who love to censor things. | |
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nixen
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? said by yesucan :
Yes you can. Just do a google search for somethin like hide ip. You'll find all kind of interesting stuff like wardriving, tunneling, Tor(not a proxy imo), vpn's etc... Don't listen to people who love to censor things.
Wardriving isn't exactly a practical "solution", now is it? And, you're still not exactly anonymous if someone really wants to track you. If you're connected, you're trackable.
Tunneling... The endpoints still need to know each other.
If you consider Tor to not be a proxy, then your "o" ain't worth too damned much. Whether you bounce through a single, static server or through a variable mesh of servers, you've proxied your connection.
All a VPN does is protects the content of your connection between two endpoints. The VPN server still knows who you are and the servers on the other end of the VPN know what your VPN IP is. It can still ultimately be tracked back.
-tom
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foxsteve
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Campbell, CA | If you are qualified hacker, you can hack a few computers and servers and hide your IP at sending your emails. This kind of proxy may not keep log file - if your qualified... | |
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| Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)? said by foxsteve :If you are qualified hacker, you can hack a few computers and servers and hide your IP at sending your emails. This kind of proxy may not keep log file - if your qualified... Unless of corse that computer was already infected with nasties that log every thing heh
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