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Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?
said by foxsteve  :If you are qualified hacker, you can hack a few computers and servers and hide your IP at sending your emails. This kind of proxy may not keep log file - if your qualified... Unless of corse that computer was already infected with nasties that log every thing heh
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foxsteve
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Campbell, CA | reply to pvsurfer
If you are qualified hacker, you can hack a few computers and servers and hide your IP at sending your emails. This kind of proxy may not keep log file - if your qualified... |
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novaflare
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| reply to THX 1138
said by THX 1138 :I hope I'm not diverting this thread, but I, too, worry *a little bit* about privacy. I haven't wanted to change my IP address, but it seems that advertisers know where I've been and are constantly targeting advertising at the sites I visit based on my IP address. For example, if I visit a mortgage site, every big ad I see on well-managed sites after that seems to want to sell me a mortgage. I once had a Bose credit card, and it was sponsored by a bank that was also known for it's sub-prime loans. After that, all my other bank sites seemed to offer me only pictures of their happy customers who where from minorities. No majority faces anywhere. (This is neither good nor bad, but it does suggest some sort of profiling, if you will.) I regularly clean out my cookies, but I feel that there is some tracking of IP addresses and my browsing habits that influences what I see on the web, and that's just a little disconcerting. I'd like to think I'm not paranoid, and I'm not ashamed of where I go on the web, but it just bugs me that there might be a marketing file assembled around my IP address. If that's true, then an anonymous IP address would be nice; kind of like a junk email address. ...or am I all wet about the technology? Profiling happens more on the internet than you think. Many major sites esp banks loan sites etc all do it (for the most part).No matter what any one says other wise profiling is a crazy useful tool. As for the legitimacy of it well you do i do we all do it to a point when we meet some one for the first time. When you walk by some one on the street and they are acxting suspicious dont you at least consider that they might be dangerous? Thats all profiling. This is somethign in our nature thats always been there and it wont be going any where any time soon. Call it a through back to when we lived in caves as cave men or do to learned back in the days when opresion was common place like late bc periods or early ad periods.
Its now in our nature and it will stay we are just adopting for other purposes.
As for the whole hiding your ip address its a waste of time even if you could. The only time i ever used a proxy is when i posted on some old timey hacker news groups. Learned really fast posting with your ip visable was not the best idea. Simply put posted on the old ahm news group and with in hours had a nice little text file on my desk top instructing me to turn off PWS personal web server heres how to do it. I think that was like 3 months after i was online full time. Before the days when a firewall was a absolute must.
Im a irc freak on irc all the time day and night ive seen some really whacked things isps do and i can see why some might want to hide their ips. I mean ffs when your host mask in irc is somenumbers-hametownxxxyx-brtn-jhns.ipaddy.neo.rr.com um yeh i kind of wanted to hide my ip to lol.
Some numbers turned out to be a baddly obscured street address on hametown road brtn barberton jhns jhonson road meanign the router for my connection was on hame town and jhonson road (the corner of to be specific. I live less than a mile from there on rock cut. It would not take much work to find exactly where i live by simply following the live connection. Hell i bet some oen could have used soem minor electronics to pick the damn signal up and trace it strait to me. Ever see a telphone repairman tracking a break in the line? They use this little metal detector looking thing name escapes me at moment. But it reads the tones on the line and they simply move the thing down the line till they find the spot with no tones or missing tones.
I called time warner over this and told them this was not a good thing to be displaying to the net at large. Infact it was not suppose to be showning up like that.
To the op if you have some simmilar thing showing on your ip yeh id be pissed to and i would call your isp and give them the what for.
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Doctor Olds
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| reply to THX 1138
said by THX 1138 :it seems that advertisers know where I've been and are constantly targeting advertising at the sites I visit based on my IP address. For example, if I visit a mortgage site, every big ad I see on well-managed sites after that seems to want to sell me a mortgage. I once had a Bose credit card, and it was sponsored by a bank that was also known for it's sub-prime loans. After that, all my other bank sites seemed to offer me only pictures of their happy customers who where from minorities. You don't get cookies from websites ad servers if you proactively block them. You only get cookies from the sites you want to visit if you are proactive.  You need ad blocking software.
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anti_mary555
join:2007-02-12 | reply to pvsurfer
You can use this
»www.privacyconnector.com
It uses VPN server instead of Proxy.
Can hide your IP in all softwares, not just web browsing |
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jvmorris
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said by greenman3 :. . . oops, sorry, i didnt realize that was you that i hacked  Gotcha!!! 
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greenman3
join:2007-02-27
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| reply to greenman3
actually this is a somewhat interesting thread.
while i agree that its impossible to be totally invisable, i also see no reason NOT to take basic precautions.
there are people out there that can and will try to get into you machine for one or another reason.
AND, if its hard to get to your machine, and easier to get into someone elses, then the crooks will go looking elsewhere.
And if they want into YOUR particualr machine, then its a matter of how tight your security is VS how bad they want to hack you, and how good a hacker they are.
RElated...
Didnt AOL used to work as a proxy ? i havent used them in like 10 years, but i could swear i remember that |
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greenman3
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Yes, well . . . and then there was the rather well-known Federal Government organization that I once worked for. I was rather astonished to find that my workstation IP was a public IP address and (based on a bit of subsequent investigation) not only visible from the 'net, but fully accessible! What makes it even worse was that this was supposed to be a high-tech Fed organization -- well, that and the fact that my workstation was in their Software Development Center. I decided then and there that, like my hometown, this was a good place to be from -- and immediately. oops, sorry, i didnt realize that was you that i hacked |
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said by webfootguy :The RIAA goes after the slowest/most obvious person (as well as hacker/criminal elements). It is a question of exposure to risks. My humble opinion. And that (in my not so humble opinion) is the primary reason for the many questions asked here and in other forums regarding "how can I hide my IP address?".
While there may actually be a few human rights activists in places like the PRC who have a real need to hide because of fear for their personal safety, that is a rare exception (and those folks already have physical and cyber hiding down to a science, and don't need to ask how to do it in forums like this).
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webfootguy
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| reply to Cudni
Yes, but the privacy protections under their laws are far better then afforded in the US plus it is possible to pay them anonymously and not enter any personal info. All sensitive traffic should be over a SSL link anyway (be sure to read the cert info carefully to avoid the man-in-the middle attacks). I think the strategy here is like being chased by the bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just not be the slowest person. The RIAA goes after the slowest/most obvious person (as well as hacker/criminal elements). It is a question of exposure to risks. My humble opinion. |
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Cudni
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said by webfootguy : You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". Which they will similarly give up if requested by their law officers
»https://www.relakks.com/faq/legal/
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EGeezer
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Yeah, I'd definitely feel really good passing my sensitive traffic through some server operated by someone I don't know whose contact information consists of a postal address in Sweden and an email address.
Besides, the OP's title post is
Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?
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jvmorris
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said by nixen :. . . Ugh. Don't talk to me about Federal offices. Every time I have to work at a Federal site, I see stuff that makes me shake my head. Most of the .mil sites seem to be decently and fairly consistently cordoned-off (sometimes the word "byzantine" comes to mind). Yes, and on other occasions, I suspect the word "neanderthal" comes to mind.
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nixen
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said by webfootguy :Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". Of course, remember to only pay them with throw-away credit cards or "use once" credit card numbers. It would suck if some "our laws do not apply" company decided to leak your financial information...
Not saying that you will get screwed. Just pointing out that, at some point, you have to trust someone with your information. Personally, I'd rather give out my IP address which is only marginally identifying than giving out information necessary to "open an account".
-tom
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| reply to EGeezer
Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation". |
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nixen
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said by jvmorris :Yes, well . . . and then there was the rather well-known Federal Government organization that I once worked for. I was rather astonished to find that my workstation IP was a public IP address and (based on a bit of subsequent investigation) not only visible from the 'net, but fully accessible!  What makes it even worse was that this was supposed to be a high-tech Fed organization -- well, that and the fact that my workstation was in their Software Development Center. I decided then and there that, like my hometown, this was a good place to be from -- and immediately. Ugh. Don't talk to me about Federal offices. Every time I have to work at a Federal site, I see stuff that makes me shake my head. Most of the .mil sites seem to be decently and fairly consistently cordoned-off (sometimes the word "byzantine" comes to mind).
-tom
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jvmorris
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Well, I think all the truly useful information in this thread is up in the first five or six responses to the OP.
Still, couldn't let this pass. said by nixen :said by THX 1138 :Yes, thanks; that's what I suspected. My home DSL service has dynamic IP addressing, but my computer at work has a static IP address. I sometimes do banking and other online financial chores at work, and that's where I observe this IP address tracking. However, if your work is like many work locations, your desktop IP isn't the IP that the website sees. Chances are, your work either uses internal proxies or does NATing at the firewall. So, the IP address remote sites see is either that of the proxy or the NAT. Yes, well . . . and then there was the rather well-known Federal Government organization that I once worked for. I was rather astonished to find that my workstation IP was a public IP address and (based on a bit of subsequent investigation) not only visible from the 'net, but fully accessible! What makes it even worse was that this was supposed to be a high-tech Fed organization -- well, that and the fact that my workstation was in their Software Development Center. I decided then and there that, like my hometown, this was a good place to be from -- and immediately.
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nixen
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said by yesucan :
Yes you can. Just do a google search for somethin like hide ip. You'll find all kind of interesting stuff like wardriving, tunneling, Tor(not a proxy imo), vpn's etc... Don't listen to people who love to censor things.
Wardriving isn't exactly a practical "solution", now is it? And, you're still not exactly anonymous if someone really wants to track you. If you're connected, you're trackable.
Tunneling... The endpoints still need to know each other.
If you consider Tor to not be a proxy, then your "o" ain't worth too damned much. Whether you bounce through a single, static server or through a variable mesh of servers, you've proxied your connection.
All a VPN does is protects the content of your connection between two endpoints. The VPN server still knows who you are and the servers on the other end of the VPN know what your VPN IP is. It can still ultimately be tracked back.
-tom
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nixen
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| reply to THX 1138
said by THX 1138 :Yes, thanks; that's what I suspected. My home DSL service has dynamic IP addressing, but my computer at work has a static IP address. I sometimes do banking and other online financial chores at work, and that's where I observe this IP address tracking. However, if your work is like many work locations, your desktop IP isn't the IP that the website sees. Chances are, your work either uses internal proxies or does NATing at the firewall. So, the IP address remote sites see is either that of the proxy or the NAT.
said by THX 1138 :Sometimes I feel like the banks, credit card companies, utilities, etc. are trying to figure out exactly who I am (marketing-wise), That's because they are.
said by THX 1138 :and are assuming that they can tell who I am by the sites I visit. That is the theory.
said by THX 1138 :Trouble is...they've got it wrong, as far as I can see. It's made me conscious of the privacy thing, even though I don't think there's anything I can do about it. Bingo. Well, you can use proxy services, but then you're entrusting your privacy to them.
It's not a perfect world. But it all comes down to, if you want "stuff" (be it pizza, postcards or packets) to get to you, "stuff" has to know how to get there.
-tom
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nixen
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| reply to freedom_rings
said by freedom_rings :
Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right? Hate to break the news to you, but if your car's less than a decade old, you've already got a telemetry device in your car.
-tom
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