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NetFixer
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Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?

said by M A R K See Profile :

Why cant he do what i do, i just put a proxy in fire-fox and im all good.

I would ask if you noticed that the title of this thread is Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?, but I won't bother.
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Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?

Not just malicious, for example bypassing filters set at work or school. Not that I promote this kind of behaviour. It's just a mere example.

Regards.

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Hey, the pizza guy is at the door, and I didn't even order one. He said it was for some guy named Daniel.




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reply to THX 1138
said by THX 1138 See Profile :

I hope I'm not diverting this thread, but I, too, worry *a little bit* about privacy. I haven't wanted to change my IP address, but it seems that advertisers know where I've been and are constantly targeting advertising at the sites I visit based on my IP address.

For example, if I visit a mortgage site, every big ad I see on well-managed sites after that seems to want to sell me a mortgage. I once had a Bose credit card, and it was sponsored by a bank that was also known for it's sub-prime loans. After that, all my other bank sites seemed to offer me only pictures of their happy customers who where from minorities. No majority faces anywhere. (This is neither good nor bad, but it does suggest some sort of profiling, if you will.)

I regularly clean out my cookies, but I feel that there is some tracking of IP addresses and my browsing habits that influences what I see on the web, and that's just a little disconcerting. I'd like to think I'm not paranoid, and I'm not ashamed of where I go on the web, but it just bugs me that there might be a marketing file assembled around my IP address. If that's true, then an anonymous IP address would be nice; kind of like a junk email address.

...or am I all wet about the technology?
sounds like you have some spyware on your box to me


yesucan

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Yes you can. Just do a google search for somethin like hide ip. You'll find all kind of interesting stuff like wardriving, tunneling, Tor(not a proxy imo), vpn's etc... Don't listen to people who love to censor things.

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Re: Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?

said by freedom_rings :

I value my privacy and won't be giving it up anytime soon. Just because someone values privacy doesn't mean they have anything to hide. Not everybody wants to sell their soul to the devil, clearly some people just don't give a sh!t though.
Huh?! At best an IP address is going to show who your ISP is and possibly what town you're in or near. That's like complaining that you have a license plate on your car and a sticker from the dealership you bought it from. Routing your internet traffic through an unknown proxy server would be like giving a random guy in the street that GPS tracker in your car, in my opinion.

I worry more about the privacy of my USPS mail than I do my internet goings. Heck the Google ads bot is probably confused about me anyway since in the same session I'll search for pay day loans and then find a private jet to charter.


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said by ElJay See Profile :

Routing your internet traffic through an unknown proxy server would be like giving a random guy in the street that GPS tracker in your car, in my opinion.

+1 on this.

the actual security risk posed to you by routing all your traffic through a proxy server controlled by an unknown party is far greater than the risk posed by your IP address being 'visible'.

The internet needs IP-to-IP communications to work, period.
If you dont think this is the case, your understanding of TCP/IP is flawed.


I'd recommend that.
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said by freedom_rings :

Hey, how 'bout letting your car insurance company put a gps tracking unit in your vehicle too? You never speed or break any traffic rules, right?
Hate to break the news to you, but if your car's less than a decade old, you've already got a telemetry device in your car.

-tom
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said by THX 1138 See Profile :

Yes, thanks; that's what I suspected. My home DSL service has dynamic IP addressing, but my computer at work has a static IP address. I sometimes do banking and other online financial chores at work, and that's where I observe this IP address tracking.
However, if your work is like many work locations, your desktop IP isn't the IP that the website sees. Chances are, your work either uses internal proxies or does NATing at the firewall. So, the IP address remote sites see is either that of the proxy or the NAT.

said by THX 1138 See Profile :

Sometimes I feel like the banks, credit card companies, utilities, etc. are trying to figure out exactly who I am (marketing-wise),
That's because they are.

said by THX 1138 See Profile :

and are assuming that they can tell who I am by the sites I visit.
That is the theory.

said by THX 1138 See Profile :

Trouble is...they've got it wrong, as far as I can see. It's made me conscious of the privacy thing, even though I don't think there's anything I can do about it.
Bingo. Well, you can use proxy services, but then you're entrusting your privacy to them.

It's not a perfect world. But it all comes down to, if you want "stuff" (be it pizza, postcards or packets) to get to you, "stuff" has to know how to get there.

-tom
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said by yesucan :

Yes you can. Just do a google search for somethin like hide ip. You'll find all kind of interesting stuff like wardriving, tunneling, Tor(not a proxy imo), vpn's etc... Don't listen to people who love to censor things.
Wardriving isn't exactly a practical "solution", now is it? And, you're still not exactly anonymous if someone really wants to track you. If you're connected, you're trackable.

Tunneling... The endpoints still need to know each other.

If you consider Tor to not be a proxy, then your "o" ain't worth too damned much. Whether you bounce through a single, static server or through a variable mesh of servers, you've proxied your connection.

All a VPN does is protects the content of your connection between two endpoints. The VPN server still knows who you are and the servers on the other end of the VPN know what your VPN IP is. It can still ultimately be tracked back.

-tom
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reply to nixen
Well, I think all the truly useful information in this thread is up in the first five or six responses to the OP.

Still, couldn't let this pass.
said by nixen See Profile :

said by THX 1138 See Profile :

Yes, thanks; that's what I suspected. My home DSL service has dynamic IP addressing, but my computer at work has a static IP address. I sometimes do banking and other online financial chores at work, and that's where I observe this IP address tracking.
However, if your work is like many work locations, your desktop IP isn't the IP that the website sees. Chances are, your work either uses internal proxies or does NATing at the firewall. So, the IP address remote sites see is either that of the proxy or the NAT.
Yes, well . . . and then there was the rather well-known Federal Government organization that I once worked for. I was rather astonished to find that my workstation IP was a public IP address and (based on a bit of subsequent investigation) not only visible from the 'net, but fully accessible! What makes it even worse was that this was supposed to be a high-tech Fed organization -- well, that and the fact that my workstation was in their Software Development Center. I decided then and there that, like my hometown, this was a good place to be from -- and immediately.
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said by jvmorris See Profile :

Yes, well . . . and then there was the rather well-known Federal Government organization that I once worked for. I was rather astonished to find that my workstation IP was a public IP address and (based on a bit of subsequent investigation) not only visible from the 'net, but fully accessible! What makes it even worse was that this was supposed to be a high-tech Fed organization -- well, that and the fact that my workstation was in their Software Development Center. I decided then and there that, like my hometown, this was a good place to be from -- and immediately.
Ugh. Don't talk to me about Federal offices. Every time I have to work at a Federal site, I see stuff that makes me shake my head. Most of the .mil sites seem to be decently and fairly consistently cordoned-off (sometimes the word "byzantine" comes to mind).

-tom
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webfootguy

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reply to EGeezer
Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation".


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said by webfootguy See Profile :

Try using a VPN service like www.relakks.com. For a few $$ a month, you get an IP address that is not easily tracable to you (useful for P2P activities). You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation".
Of course, remember to only pay them with throw-away credit cards or "use once" credit card numbers. It would suck if some "our laws do not apply" company decided to leak your financial information...

Not saying that you will get screwed. Just pointing out that, at some point, you have to trust someone with your information. Personally, I'd rather give out my IP address which is only marginally identifying than giving out information necessary to "open an account".

-tom
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said by nixen See Profile :

. . . Ugh. Don't talk to me about Federal offices. Every time I have to work at a Federal site, I see stuff that makes me shake my head. Most of the .mil sites seem to be decently and fairly consistently cordoned-off (sometimes the word "byzantine" comes to mind).
Yes, and on other occasions, I suspect the word "neanderthal" comes to mind.
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Yeah, I'd definitely feel really good passing my sensitive traffic through some server operated by someone I don't know whose contact information consists of a postal address in Sweden and an email address.

Besides, the OP's title post is
Can I hide my IP (w/o using a proxy)?
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said by webfootguy See Profile :

You still need to be running a firewall but a least all your traffic is encrypted and not associated with your ISP (Which will give you up if requested by law officers). Our laws do not apply to other countries so you are safe from "investigation".
Which they will similarly give up if requested by their law officers
»https://www.relakks.com/faq/legal/

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webfootguy

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Yes, but the privacy protections under their laws are far better then afforded in the US plus it is possible to pay them anonymously and not enter any personal info. All sensitive traffic should be over a SSL link anyway (be sure to read the cert info carefully to avoid the man-in-the middle attacks). I think the strategy here is like being chased by the bear. You don't have to outrun the bear, just not be the slowest person. The RIAA goes after the slowest/most obvious person (as well as hacker/criminal elements). It is a question of exposure to risks. My humble opinion.


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said by webfootguy See Profile :

The RIAA goes after the slowest/most obvious person (as well as hacker/criminal elements). It is a question of exposure to risks. My humble opinion.
And that (in my not so humble opinion) is the primary reason for the many questions asked here and in other forums regarding "how can I hide my IP address?".

While there may actually be a few human rights activists in places like the PRC who have a real need to hide because of fear for their personal safety, that is a rare exception (and those folks already have physical and cyber hiding down to a science, and don't need to ask how to do it in forums like this).
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