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jig

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Hacienda Heights, CA

reply to Kibbles
Re: Home Values going down the toliet?

i think i have verified that what i said is NOT true. if all you are doing is getting a mortgage, then you DON'T get reassessed for taxes.

strange policy, though. seems like you have an incentive to hang on to an old house just to take out an expensive mortgage with little tax hit. an incentive for debt...
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Kibbles
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said by Lovehound See Profile :

said by jinjimbob See Profile :

We're not near the top yet either.
For Kibbles my advice is to hold off buying out his sister's interest for a few years when I expect prices will be lower than today. Another good plan would be to sell the house and put the money into other real estate where it will remain on par with the value of the house owned with his sister, just as a different property and owned solely.
I would hold off selling the house or buying them out for a few years....but one wants to purchase their neighbors house for 300k in LA...which already dropped 50 this past year...right now lenders are rather loose with refinance offers but have substantially tightened up new home purchases rules.

I noticed in my area...there are 160+ foreclosures for sale along with another 700 homes for sale...if we are not near the bottom of this housing slump...any deeper OC could go BK due to the revenue losses.


Kibbles
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said by jig See Profile :

i think i have verified that what i said is NOT true. if all you are doing is getting a mortgage, then you DON'T get reassessed for taxes.

strange policy, though. seems like you have an incentive to hang on to an old house just to take out an expensive mortgage with little tax hit. an incentive for debt...
I plan to do what some home owners did about 7 years ago...get a 7/1 ARM loan that is interest only for 7 years.
then sell the house before the 7th year and even if the prices drop...I should clear 200-300k.....or I could rent an apartment...or buy a house say in AZ in So CA if the mortgage does not kill your monthly budget...the property taxes and hoa dues will.

I remember in high school when I thought 125k for a house was a lot..as well as the 800 mortgage.
I doubt the market will ever drop that low.

The mortgage company I am dealing with talked to the investor and he thinks the housing prices in this area have stopped dropping..that is why I can still get a 70-80% LTV loan.


81399672
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I got no HOA and yearly property tax is only $5,080, it's hardly going to kill anyone
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CurtesyFlush
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There's plenty of very nice, profitable neighborhoods in So Cal that don't come with the albatross of HOA dues.

Like the neighborhood I grew up in down in Capo Beach/San Clemente. At the top of the cycle, the cheapest homes were in the low mills.
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Kibbles
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said by 81399672 See Profile :

I got no HOA and yearly property tax is only $5,080, it's hardly going to kill anyone
Some areas in RSM the dues are 350 and property tax is 2.2

A 1 bdr condo I lived in 1993 was selling for 100k....dues were 125 a month....now that condo is selling for 400k...dues are 250 a month and I guess the property tax is close to 500 a month...so the original owner could be paying 800 a month for their mortgage and 750 a month for their association dues and property tax.

I read an article about the "real estate" slump...the author's view was that prices have not dropped...the value of our money has..aka purchasing power is what has dropped.


dogma
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4br/3bath 2700s.f. - never lived in - $255K
said by Kibbles See Profile :

The mortgage company I am dealing with talked to the investor and he thinks the housing prices in this area have stopped dropping..that is why I can still get a 70-80% LTV loan.
Beware these "mortgage" people and their ilk. They will tell you anything (this brand of psychopath will lie without remorse) to persuade you to put your hard earned money in their greedy-ass pockets.

Consider this:
said by (From today's AP wire) - Housing slump slows U.S. economy--> »www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007···6428.txt :
WASHINGTON, D.C. — The worst economic growth in four years is raising concern that troubles in the U.S. housing market will spread and throw the country into a recession before the year is out.

The economy practically crawled at a 1.3 percent pace in the opening quarter of 2007, the Commerce Department reported Friday. That was even weaker than the sluggish 2.5 percent rate in the closing quarter of last year.

The main culprit in the slowdown: the housing slump...
The reading on gross domestic product in the first quarter was the weakest since a 1.2 percent pace in the opening quarter of 2003. The performance was even weaker than the 1.8 percent economists had forecast.

The biggest factor behind the first quarter slowdown was the crumbling housing market.

“The report tells me housing is probably going to be in a more prolonged and deeper recession,’’ said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.
There is some positive "spin" in that article, but it revolves around people working harder and longer for less pay...

The house pictured above is a Brand New, never been lived in, 4br/3.5bath 2700s.f. home in a excellent neighborhood. It's a foreclosure. Some California "Real Estate Expert" bought it 2 years ago for $390K hoping to flip it. If you gave the mortgage company $255K today, they would take it.

This home, along with literally thousands of others (and almost a thousand "Repo's" per month are being added)...is in Nevada. BTW, property tax on this is less than $1000/yr. & none of that socialist HOA crap.

It is my opinion, California will see almost as many REPO's over the next 2 years. Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a shack house worth it?


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said by dogma See Profile :

Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a shack house worth it?
Close. The pretty blonde I share it with is.


dogma
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said by No_Strings See Profile :

said by dogma See Profile :

Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a shack house worth it?
Close. The pretty blonde I share it with is.
I am hoping your blond seductress is mobile, whereas California is not.


No_Strings
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She's very accommodating. She'll let me take here anywhere she wants to go ... whenever she wants to.


Kibbles
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Dogma where is that house at in NV?

In this tract about 30% of the homes are convalescent,rehab,half way houses and so on...a couple that owns 11..yes owns 11 may purchase ours...hopefully it will be the actual market price which is close to 800k...not the " I need to spend 200k on the house so here is 600k" price.

I was even thinking of Leasing a house for a year or so and see what happens to the housing market.

By chance Bob Brinker was talking about the 1.3 "growth" which in reality is not growth.

One site I looked at shows over 6,000 foreclosures in OC and thousands more owned by the bank.....hmm


dogma
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said by Mass Foreclosures in nicer neighborhoods. L.A. Times 5/6/07--> »www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-e···eadlines :
snippets:
Better-heeled failing home economics too
As more owners are unable to make higher payments
, Deputy Strickland finds himself evicting people in nicer neighborhoods.

The deputy spends most of his days at down-market apartment complexes, where the destitute, the addicted and the forlorn fitfully live. But in recent months he has begun venturing into neighborhoods with spacious homes and groomed yards, bringing his legal warnings to those who have fallen hopelessly behind on their mortgages.

These people typically bought a home they couldn't afford or drained their equity through incessant refinancing. If they had a chance to sell, they passed it up.

A couple of years ago, a foreclosed man in Rialto shot himself when Strickland [Deputy Sheriff] showed up.

Indeed, defaults and foreclosures are rising nationwide as subprime loans with low introductory rates adjust higher and homeowners struggle with payments.

The trend is especially apparent in such areas as the Inland Empire, where tracts of new homes drew first-time buyers, who are especially vulnerable to foreclosure because they often have little equity.

In the first three months of the year, San Bernardino County recorded 909 foreclosures, according to research firm DataQuick Information Systems. That's double the number in the last quarter of 2006.

"A lot of people live over their means," Strickland says. "One little thing goes wrong, they're in a world of hurt."

He located the foreclosed house, which appeared to be at least 4,000 square feet.

A Perris family, which hadn't made a mortgage payment since March 2006, proved particularly intractable. Perkins heard a different explanation each time she stopped by to remind them that they no longer owned the house and had to move.

"The husband had an accident, the husband was hurt, the husband has a bad heart, this is going to kill him, then the daughter had an accident," she recounts.

"You're going to have to leave in a week," he said. When she finally understood, her breathing became labored, as if she had gone into shock.
As you say Yeln, a home is a "great" investment.

I predict there will be quadruple the foreclosures this time next year, and quadruple that the following year. All over SoCal. Flooding the market with 10s of thousands of homes. Thus depressing values exponentially.

In 18 Months to 3 years, it will be a great time to buy again. Imagine buying a home for 40% - 50% less than your neighbor, who is struggling, sacrificing their lives pretending to live the dream, paying every cent s/he makes to pay an inflated mortgage they took (and can not get out of) back "in the day". Just so they could tell their friends that they "owned".

The article above show us who really owns the house.


CurtesyFlush
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I can't believe the article used Rialto and Perris as examples of nicer neighborhoods.
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dogma
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said by That L.A. Times article :
He recently went to do an eviction at a gated community in Chino Hills. The foreclosed owner, not realizing he was out of time and luck, was still trying to sell the place.

As soon as he noticed Strickland, he jumped in his car and drove off, leaving a prospective buyer bewildered at the curb.

He stops to post an eviction warning in a neighborhood where many houses fetch the high six figures.
The article did say these homes were "high six figures" and "gated communities". Close to a Million $$ homes would be in a "nicer" neighborhood I would imagine, since the average SoCal home is about $500K. Are these places "ghetto-fied" to you?

From what I see, there is no economic crisis or "real estate bubble" in area's above $2 Million. Up the way from us, about 4 miles is a new development called Playa Vista where SFR's are about 6' apart from each other (entire lot is house), run for $2 Million on up, and another one slightly west called Morea Where the minimum, with all the "basics" are $2.7 Million to almost $4 Million. These have only been on the market for the last 9 Months, and Guess what, they are almost sold out.

Playa Vista has 800s.f. condo's, in the middle of a massive people-pile, with views of your neighbor's bathroom, that run $650K + $600/Mo dues. The community is weird as hell too. All younger "professional" couples. They all dress exactly the same (and I ain't exaggerating). They all have dogs. More and more are pushing $300 baby strollers now...while walking their dogs...in their banana republic cargo shorts and Berkenstocks. All of them. Like a whacked out modern day Stepford.


CurtesyFlush
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I didn't read the article, just took the posted snippet at face value. No mention of Chino Hills in the snippet, just Rialto (barrio) and Perris (crackerville complete with junky trailers, at least it used to be; haven't been there in about 10 years).

Haven't seen Playa Vista, but the radio ads make my spine shiver. Very yuppish and Stepford sounding. I get the distinct feeling I'd stand out like a sore thumb.
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jig

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FutureMon
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See # 4 - $3500 total price.

»realestate.yahoo.com/California/···s=time+2

I'm wondering if that's the whole loan balance, or just the amount thats in arears to bring it current. Poor soul who got the loan all the way down to the last $3500 and gets it taken away from them?

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dogma
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I would bet it's either a typo...or it's what the lender will take to re-instate the loan at the present terms. I would imagine the property is upside down in value, so the existing loan balance is higher than the property is worth.

Hard to tell without details. But there seem to many there at the low $ figure. A few are REO's and the rest are Notice of default.

aztecnology See Profile would probably have a better insight.


FutureMon
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Yeah I was like, "DAYUM!" Lemmie go put one on my credit card or something...lol

But actually that particular area is kind of a dump. Lots of apartments and poor people who do drugs...lol

Anything along Route 66 in Glendora/Azusa is really small and old.

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said by FutureMon See Profile :

Yeah I was like, "DAYUM!" Lemmie go put one on my credit card or something...lol
(earlier)
said by FutureMon See Profile :

Me, I'm still 1.5 years away from getting out from under a pre-pay penalty that would cost me $18k if I refi with anyone other than the original lender. And I plan on selling in about 8-9 years, so as long as I can muster my current payment(s) until then, I'm pretty safe where I'm at in my 30/40 fixed 1st @ 6.99% and my 15 year fixed 2nd @ 10%

My income is jacked so I can't go full docs for at least 2 more years. My FICO is jacked because I closed a couple of older revolving credit lines and some unscrupulous lender ran my credit report 12 TIMES within 2 weeks, and I am uncomfortable with these appraisers who do the bidding of their loan officer buddy-pals. I'd rather wait for this whole thing to blow over before making my move.
Not to sound like your dad or anything, but I would not put a house on your credit card just now.
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