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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : "In the event that a foreclosure or FSBO is under contract it will be marked inactive. However, a listing can return to the market if the purchase falls through. In this case, we will continue to display the listing for a limited time".<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.foreclosure.com/termsabbreviations.html?termsdef=ps" >www.foreclosure.com/termsabbrevi&middot;&middot;&middot;msdef=ps</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I would bet it's either a typo...or it's what the lender will take to re-instate the loan at the present terms.  I would imagine the property is upside down in value, so the existing loan balance is higher than the property is worth.<br><br>Hard to tell without details.  But there seem to many there at the low $ figure.  A few are REO's and the rest are Notice of default.<br><br> aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> would probably have a better insight.<br> </DIV>The $ shown is the NOD amount, or 3 months of non-payment - the pre-foreclosure.<br><br>As you go deeper into the pages you'll see the NOT's, houses that have been foreclosed and will by sold at the Trustees sale...<br><br>NOD - Notice of Default<br><br>NOT - Notice of Trustee Sale<br><br>Foreclosure.com and Realtytrac.com have fairly up to date information, and can give you a decent snapshot in time. Full access requires $, but the basic tools work well enough for informational purposes...<br><br>Glendora NOD's:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.foreclosure.com/search.html?tab=&st=CA&cno=037&listingid=&ci=glendora&z=&bdi=&bhi=&pi=&pa=&tl=preforeclosure&o=s&ps=25&pg=" >www.foreclosure.com/search.html?&middot;&middot;&middot;s=25&pg=</A><br><br>Glendora NOT's:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.foreclosure.com/search.html?tab=&st=CA&cno=037&listingid=&ci=glendora&z=&bdi=&bhi=&pi=&pa=&tl=foreclosure&o=s&ps=25&pg=" >www.foreclosure.com/search.html?&middot;&middot;&middot;s=25&pg=</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.foreclosure.com/" >www.foreclosure.com/</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.realtytrac.com/" >www.realtytrac.com/</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : lol yeah I was only kidding about the credit card thing. :)<br><br>But I have been looking at foreclosures in the Colorado Springs and Denver areas.  I'm not subject to the pre-pay penalty on my 1st if I am selling the home - only if I am refinancing.  So if I could get 650k for my place (hell freezing over?) with a spread of anywhere from 4-10% commission off the top I'd have a minimum of 54k to put on something else.  <br><br>Looking at a 170k foreclosure with 40k down would give me something like a $600/month house payment - and the flexibility to do whatever I want in terms of work, because I'm not chained to such a huge house payment.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Yeah I was like, "DAYUM!"  Lemmie go put one on my credit card or something...lol </DIV>(earlier)<br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR> Me, I'm still 1.5 years away from getting out from under a pre-pay penalty that would cost me $18k if I refi with anyone other than the original lender. And I plan on selling in about 8-9 years, so as long as I can muster my current payment(s) until then, I'm pretty safe where I'm at in my 30/40 fixed 1st @ 6.99% and my 15 year fixed 2nd @ 10%<br><br>My income is jacked so I can't go full docs for at least 2 more years. My FICO is jacked because I closed a couple of older revolving credit lines and some unscrupulous lender ran my credit report 12 TIMES within 2 weeks, and I am uncomfortable with these appraisers who do the bidding of their loan officer buddy-pals. I'd rather wait for this whole thing to blow over before making my move.<br> </DIV>Not to sound like your dad or anything, but I would not put a house on your credit card just now.  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : Yeah I was like, "DAYUM!"  Lemmie go put one on my credit card or something...lol<br><br>But actually that particular area is kind of a dump.  Lots of apartments and poor people who do drugs...lol<br><br>Anything along Route 66 in Glendora/Azusa is really small and old.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : I would bet it's either a typo...or it's what the lender will take to re-instate the loan at the present terms.  I would imagine the property is upside down in value, so the existing loan balance is higher than the property is worth.<br><br>Hard to tell without details.  But there seem to many there at the low $ figure.  A few are REO's and the rest are Notice of default.<br><br> aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> would probably have a better insight.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : See # 4 - $3500 total price.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://realestate.yahoo.com/California/Glendora/Homes_for_sale/result.html?cc=realestatep=Glendora,CA&cs=time+2" >realestate.yahoo.com/California/&middot;&middot;&middot;s=time+2</A><br><br>I'm wondering if that's the whole loan balance, or just the amount thats in arears to bring it current.  Poor soul who got the loan all the way down to the last $3500 and gets it taken away from them?<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : I didn't read the article, just took the posted snippet at face value. No mention of Chino Hills in the snippet, just Rialto (barrio) and Perris (crackerville complete with junky trailers, at least it used to be; haven't been there in about 10 years).<br><br>Haven't seen Playa Vista, but the radio ads make my spine shiver. Very yuppish and Stepford sounding. I get the distinct feeling I'd stand out like a sore thumb.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by That L.A. Times article :</SMALL><HR>He recently went to do an eviction at a gated community in Chino Hills. The foreclosed owner, not realizing he was out of time and luck, was still trying to sell the place.<br><br>As soon as he noticed Strickland, he jumped in his car and drove off, leaving a prospective buyer bewildered at the curb.<br><br>He stops to post an eviction warning in a neighborhood where many houses fetch the high six figures.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The article did say these homes were "high six figures" and "gated communities".  Close to a Million $$ homes would be in a "nicer" neighborhood I would imagine, since the average SoCal home is about $500K.  Are these places "ghetto-fied" to you?<br><br>From what I see, there is no economic crisis or "real estate bubble" in area's above $2 Million.  Up the way from us, about 4 miles is a new development called <A HREF="http://www.playavista.com/homes/index.php">Playa Vista</A> where SFR's are about 6' apart from each other (entire lot is house), run for $2 Million on up, and another one slightly west called <A HREF="http://www.standardpacifichomes.com/findhome/NeighborhoodIntro.aspx?NID=1317">Morea</A> Where the minimum, with all the "basics" are $2.7 Million to almost $4 Million.  These have only been on the market for the last 9 Months, and Guess what, they are almost sold out.<br><br>Playa Vista has 800s.f. condo's, in the middle of a massive people-pile, with views of your neighbor's bathroom, that run $650K + $600/Mo dues.  The community is weird as hell too.  All younger "professional" couples.  They all dress exactly the same (and I ain't exaggerating). They all have dogs. More and more are pushing $300 baby strollers now...while walking their dogs...in their banana republic cargo shorts and Berkenstocks.  <I>All</I> of them.  Like a whacked out modern day Stepford.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : I can't believe the article used Rialto and Perris as examples of nicer neighborhoods.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <B>Mass Foreclosures in nicer neighborhoods.</B> L.A. Times 5/6/07--> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-evict6may06,0,5268127.story?coll=la-home-headlines" >www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-e&middot;&middot;&middot;eadlines</A> :</SMALL><HR>snippets:<br><B>Better-heeled failing home economics too<br>As more owners are unable to make higher payments</B>, Deputy Strickland finds himself evicting people in nicer neighborhoods.<br><br>The deputy spends most of his days at down-market apartment complexes, where the destitute, the addicted and the forlorn fitfully live. But in recent months he has begun venturing into neighborhoods with spacious homes and groomed yards, bringing his legal warnings to those who have fallen hopelessly behind on their mortgages.<br><br>These people typically bought a home they couldn't afford or drained their equity through incessant refinancing. If they had a chance to sell, they passed it up.<br><br>A couple of years ago, a foreclosed man in Rialto shot himself when Strickland [Deputy Sheriff] showed up.<br><br>Indeed, defaults and foreclosures are rising nationwide as subprime loans with low introductory rates adjust higher and homeowners struggle with payments.<br><br>The trend is especially apparent in such areas as the Inland Empire, where tracts of new homes drew first-time buyers, who are especially vulnerable to foreclosure because they often have little equity.<br><br>In the first three months of the year, San Bernardino County recorded 909 foreclosures, according to research firm DataQuick Information Systems. That's double the number in the last quarter of 2006.<br><br>"A lot of people live over their means," Strickland says. "One little thing goes wrong, they're in a world of hurt."<br><br>He located the foreclosed house, which appeared to be at least 4,000 square feet.<br><br>A Perris family, which hadn't made a mortgage payment since March 2006, proved particularly intractable. Perkins heard a different explanation each time she stopped by to remind them that they no longer owned the house and had to move.<br><br>"The husband had an accident, the husband was hurt, the husband has a bad heart, this is going to kill him, then the daughter had an accident," she recounts.<br><br>"You're going to have to leave in a week," he said. When she finally understood, her breathing became labored, as if she had gone into shock.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>As you say Yeln, a home is a "great" investment.  <br><br>I predict there will be quadruple the foreclosures this time next year, and quadruple that the following year.  All over SoCal.  Flooding the market with 10s of thousands of homes. Thus depressing values exponentially.<br><br>In 18 Months to 3 years, it will be a great time to buy again.  Imagine buying a home for 40% - 50% less than your neighbor, who is struggling, sacrificing their lives pretending to live the dream, paying every cent s/he makes to pay an inflated mortgage they took (and can not get out of) back "in the day".  Just so they could tell their friends that they "owned".  <br><br>The article above show us who <I>really</I> owns the house.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : Dogma where is that house at in NV?<br><br>In this tract about 30% of the homes are convalescent,rehab,half way houses and so on...a couple that owns 11..yes owns 11 may purchase ours...hopefully it will be the actual market price which is close to 800k...not the " I need to spend 200k on the house so here is 600k" price.<br><br>I was even thinking of Leasing a house for a year or so and see what happens to the housing market.<br><br>By chance Bob Brinker was talking about the 1.3 "growth" which in reality is not growth.<br><br>One site I looked at shows over 6,000 foreclosures in OC  :p and thousands more owned by the bank.....hmm]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a <STRIKE>shack</STRIKE> house worth it?<br> </DIV>Close. The pretty blonde I share it with is.<br> </DIV>I am hoping your blond seductress is mobile, whereas California is not.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a <STRIKE>shack</STRIKE> house worth it?<br> </DIV>Close. The pretty blonde I share it with is.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The mortgage company I am dealing with talked to the investor and he thinks the housing prices in this area have stopped dropping..that is why I can still get a 70-80% LTV loan.<br> </DIV>Beware these "mortgage" people and their ilk. They will tell you anything (this brand of psychopath will lie without remorse) to persuade you to put your hard earned money in their greedy-ass pockets.<br><br>Consider this:<br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by (From today's AP wire) - <B>Housing slump slows U.S. economy</B>--> &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007/04/28/money/doc4632d54230c34710246428.txt" >www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007&middot;&middot;&middot;6428.txt</A> :</SMALL><HR>WASHINGTON, D.C. &#151; The worst economic growth in four years is raising concern that troubles in the U.S. housing market will spread and throw the country into a recession before the year is out.<br><br>The economy practically crawled at a 1.3 percent pace in the opening quarter of 2007, the Commerce Department reported Friday. That was even weaker than the sluggish 2.5 percent rate in the closing quarter of last year.<br><br>The main culprit in the slowdown: the housing slump...<br>The reading on gross domestic product in the first quarter was the weakest since a 1.2 percent pace in the opening quarter of 2003.  The performance was even weaker than the 1.8 percent economists had forecast.<br><br>The biggest factor behind the first quarter slowdown was the crumbling housing market.<br><br><B>&#147;The report tells me housing is probably going to be in a more prolonged and deeper recession,&#146;&#146;</B> said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>There is some positive "spin" in that article, but it revolves around people working harder and longer for less pay...<br><br>The house pictured above is a Brand New, never been lived in, 4br/3.5bath 2700s.f. home in a excellent neighborhood.  It's a foreclosure.  Some California "Real Estate Expert" bought it 2 years ago for $390K hoping to flip it.  If you gave the mortgage company $255K today, they would take it.<br><br>This home, along with literally thousands of others (and almost a thousand "Repo's" per month are being added)...is in Nevada.  BTW, property tax on this is less than $1000/yr. & none of that socialist HOA crap.<br><br>It is my opinion, California will see almost as many REPO's over the next 2 years.  Is California so seductive, that spending every last dime you make to live in a <STRIKE>shack</STRIKE> house worth it?<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18248790?c=1157705&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="21023 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=512 HEIGHT=400 SRC="/r0/download/1157705~32a9eec406e3ec3e4f0303354339895f/642326_101_12.jpg"></A><br>4br/3bath 2700s.f. - never lived in - $255K</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I got no HOA and  yearly property tax is only $5,080, it's hardly going to kill anyone<br> </DIV>Some areas in RSM the dues are 350 and property tax is 2.2  :mad:<br><br>A 1 bdr condo I lived in 1993 was selling for 100k....dues were 125 a month....now that condo is selling for 400k...dues are 250 a month and I guess the property tax is close to 500 a month...so the original owner could be paying 800 a month for their mortgage and 750 a month for their association dues and property tax.  :o<br><br>I read an article about the "real estate" slump...the author's view was that prices have not dropped...the value of our money has..aka purchasing power is what has dropped.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : There's plenty of very nice, profitable neighborhoods in So Cal that don't come with the albatross of HOA dues. <br><br>Like the neighborhood I grew up in down in Capo Beach/San Clemente. At the top of the cycle, the cheapest homes were in the low mills. <br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : I got no HOA and  yearly property tax is only $5,080, it's hardly going to kill anyone<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>i think i have verified that what i said is NOT true. if all you are doing is getting a mortgage, then you DON'T get reassessed for taxes. <br><br>strange policy, though. seems like you have an incentive to hang on to an old house just to take out an expensive mortgage with little tax hit. an incentive for debt... <br> </DIV>I plan to do what some home owners did about 7 years ago...get a 7/1 ARM loan that is interest only for 7 years.<br>then sell the house before the 7th year and even if the prices drop...I should clear 200-300k.....or I could rent an apartment...or buy a house say in AZ  :o in So CA if the mortgage does not kill your monthly budget...the property taxes and hoa dues will.<br><br>I remember in high school when I thought 125k for a house was a lot..as well as the 800 mortgage.<br>I doubt the market will ever drop that low.<br><br>The mortgage company I am dealing with talked to the investor and he thinks the housing prices in this area have stopped dropping..that is why I can still get a 70-80% LTV loan.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Lovehound <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jinjimbob <A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>We're not near the top yet either.<br> </DIV>For Kibbles my advice is to hold off buying out his sister's interest for a few years when I expect prices will be lower than today. Another good plan would be to sell the house and put the money into other real estate where it will remain on par with the value of the house owned with his sister, just as a different property and owned solely.<br></DIV>I would hold off selling the house or buying them out for a few years....but one wants to purchase their neighbors house for 300k in LA...which already dropped 50 this past year...right now lenders are rather loose with refinance offers but have substantially tightened up new home purchases rules.<br><br>I noticed in my area...there are 160+ foreclosures for sale along with another 700 homes for sale...if we are not near the bottom of this housing slump...any deeper OC could go BK due to the revenue losses.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : i think i have verified that what i said is NOT true. if all you are doing is getting a mortgage, then you DON'T get reassessed for taxes. <br><br>strange policy, though. seems like you have an incentive to hang on to an old house just to take out an expensive mortgage with little tax hit. an incentive for debt... <br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><b>Lovehound</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jinjimbob <A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>We're not near the top yet either.<br> </DIV>We will never be near the top because there is no top. The houses we own today will eventually be worth $1 million, $2 million, $x million whatever you want if you wait long enough. At the same time average income will reach $100,000, $500,000, $1 million a year. We are NOT seeing any increase in the value of houses. Rather, we are seeing a devaluation of our currency. Call it inflation but it's more than that. Unfortunately I have yet to figure it all out, but if you follow the money to whoever gained from this historic lending campaign to get somebody, anybody, everybody to plonk down cash for homes (or plonk down credit if no cash available) then you will probably have a clue.<br><br>In the last several decades housing prices have been cyclic and it has often been observed that each successive wave of increased prices inevitably has another trough of lowered prices beyond it, yet each trough seems to give up about half of the gains before the prices turn upwards again.<br><br>We are in the beginning of such a trough (IMO) and I believe that prices will sink about half way down to our previous high, and then turn upwards again and surpass the peak of a few or several months ago. It's a natural cycle and you can benefit from it if you understand it, or be harmed if you ignore it.<br><br>I believe that in the present market it would be unwise to purchase a new home although not such a big deal if you want to relocate, and likewise no big problem if you plan on living in the same house for the next several years.<br><br>For Kibbles my advice is to hold off buying out his sister's interest for a few years when I expect prices will be lower than today. Another good plan would be to sell the house and put the money into other real estate where it will remain on par with the value of the house owned with his sister, just as a different property and owned solely.<br><br>I'll sell in the next few or several years, but I'm buying a nicer house in a less urban area, and the value of the house I will buy (wherever it is) will also be dropping along with my present house value dropping, so I'll probably have a net wash.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>i think if you take out a mortgage on a house you already own, the value is reassessed for tax purposes?<br> </DIV>That is true...but under prop 13/58 it does not according to the clerk in the assesors office at the assesors office...monday I am going to verify it.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.oc.ca.gov/assessor/buySell.asp#Take13" >www.oc.ca.gov/assessor/buySell.asp#Take13</A><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.oc.ca.gov/assessor/TaxSaveProps.asp#PC" >www.oc.ca.gov/assessor/TaxSaveProps.asp#PC</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>i think if you take out a mortgage on a house you already own, the value is reassessed for tax purposes?<br> </DIV>I believe that is not true(i could be totally wrong)but only time value is reassessed is when you sell the house. The second property that he going to own will be considered investment property unless he changes  his primary residence every 2 years<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I have said this earlier here, but it's my opinion we will see a 25% - 40% drop (depending on location) over the next 3-4 years.<br><br>For your specific situation, you can spend $300 and get an appraisal.  Then have that appraiser update it every 6 Months or so.  This way you will be on top of the  real value as time goes on. <br> </DIV>The house was appraised at 800k....but...some have sold as low as 650k...I am thinking of getting a mortgage for 650k.<br>The house is 1 story,2400 sq ft,its under prop 13 so the tax is ~ $850.00 a year...and hoa dues are $12.00 a year...we get a news letter.<br>The Realtor we talked to thinks this area won't see any more bk's and/or drops is prices...but they won't go up either.<br><br>I guess I could start a new topic...but this thread gets more replies.  :D<br><br>I can't imagine someone trying to buy their first house in CA...more than likely they will buy in AZ/NV where houses are 200-300k....not 700-900k]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : But it's not the appraisal that matters - it's what the properties are actually selling for.  Unfortunately, foreclosures are what is going to push the numbers down.<br><br>And those aren't going to stop any time soon.  Its just a matter of when they level off.<br><br>I'd simply stick with the comps and save the $$ instead.  You might need it for a house payment one of these days. ;)<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : I have said this earlier here, but it's my opinion we will see a 25% - 40% drop (depending on location) over the next 3-4 years.<br><br>For your specific situation, you can spend $300 and get an appraisal.  Then have that appraiser update it every 6 Months or so.  This way you will be on top of the  real value as time goes on. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><b>jinjimbob</b></A> : We're not near the top yet either.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Who thinks we are at the bottom of the price drop?<br>Who would guess when the prices will go back up?<br><br>The reason I ask is because I am thinking of buying out my sister's interest in the house we inherited.<br> </DIV>I don't think we're near a bottom at all, historically from a peak, the bottom is 5-7 years out...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : Who thinks we are at the bottom of the price drop?<br>Who would guess when the prices will go back up?<br><br>The reason I ask is because I am thinking of buying out my sister's interest in the house we inherited.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : The latest #'s just came out...<br><br>Existing home sales data for March showed a drop of 8.4% to 6.12 million units, <B>the largest drop since January 1989</B>. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/18279050" >www.cnbc.com/id/18279050</A><br><br>The median home price slipped 0.3 percent to $217,000 from a year earlier. That marked the eighth straight month that key price comparison has shown a decline. Earlier this month the trade group projected that <B>2007 would be the first year to show a decline it</B>(sic)<B> nearly 40 years that it has tracked prices</B>.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/24/news/economy/home_sales/index.htm?postversion=2007042410" >money.cnn.com/2007/04/24/news/ec&middot;&middot;&middot;07042410</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : It's barely 2 acres. Start heading down from that figure there Little Joe.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : uh, my bad.  So it's really a 40 acre+ "Ponderosa" type spread.  Nice.  <br><br>Back 20 where you "ranch" containers, Peterbilt's, and Kenworths vs. Red Angus, Belgian Blue, and Hereford's.  Is the "Big House" up overlooking everything?<br><br>Now I'm thinking 8 digit$ minimum.  Sweet!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : That's no routine. This Villa/Compound/Estate/Ranch consists of two large parcels. The south parcel contains the house/garaging/shop/office areas, fruit trees and shipping container storage units. The north parcel is devoted to income generation and is chockablock with 18 wheelers on month to month parking spot rental contracts. Hence: truck yard, dusty, military issue type one (1) ea.<br><br>One doesn't live in South Fontana for the beauty and serenity, one lives here to cash in on the exploding intermodal shipping logistics<br>opportunities. <br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/132602"><b>bobrk</b></A> : The phenomena may be state wide. Here's an article that ran in the local rag. Please forgive the Bay Area subject matter, but it's interesting nonetheless.<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_5684801" >www.mercurynews.com/ci_5684801</A> :</SMALL><br><br> The number of Bay Area homeowners who failed to pay their mortgages on time more than doubled in the first quarter compared with the same time last year, as home values flattened and fewer homeowners could sell or refinance to escape mortgages they can't afford.<br><br>But mortgage defaults are not yet poised to deflate home prices, as is the case in some other parts of the state, a real estate information firm reported Monday. Statewide, the number of default notices sent to homeowners hit its highest level in almost 10 years.<br><br>In the nine Bay Area counties, 6,730 homeowners received "notices of default" from their lenders in the January-to-March period, according to DataQuick Information Systems. That's 160 percent more than during the same time last year. But it is slightly less than the peak level, which was reached in first quarter 1996, when 6,830 owners received such notices.</DIV><br><SMALL>--<br><I>Iraq Coalition <A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/5um2d">Deaths</A> | <A HREF="http://www.bobrk.com">bobrk</A></I></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  CurtesyFlush <A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Somebody wake me when living in a 60+ year old house in a dusty truck yard in Fontana and driving a 1997 Lumina sedan with the paint peeling off becomes conspicuous. And cool.<br> </DIV>When Your Fontana Villa/Compound/Estate/Ranch with a view (don't gimmie that "dusty truck yard" routine), is worth low 7 figures.  That would be about now I imagine.<br><br>The Lumina will be cool in about 5 years.  That way you don't stand out amongst us common folk.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>S4, but now that they've started shipping the S8 to the US ...<br> </DIV>Audimv sold a A8 L W12..it was shipped to Dubai yesterday...I wonder how is the housing market there.  ;)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>You've converted me.  Instead of my lavish lifestyle of conspicuous consumption driven by a need to keep up, I will henceforth live within my means.<br><br>I'm giving up those condor egg omelets ... right after breakfast tomorrow.<br> </DIV>Yeah, but what about the A8?<br>Whose gonna pry that from your cold dead fingers? :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : You've converted me.  Instead of my lavish lifestyle of conspicuous consumption driven by a need to keep up, I will henceforth live within my means.<br><br>I'm giving up those condor egg omelets ... right after breakfast tomorrow.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : i can't tell if it's a way to get the lenders more money/equity through constant refinancing or if it's a way for the lenders to suck more money from public coffers. to me, it's an AWFUL lot like enron/electricity rates going through the roof a couple years ago.<br><br>lets assume that we're headed for either an exact enron moment, or maybe a long drawn out/disguised enron moment. what 's the best position to be in when stuff like that hits the fan?<br><br>naively, it would seem to be best to be flush with cash (to buy in at the "right" time, presumably), but maybe not. are there other investments that might be lucrative? shorting? i think we all see something coming, the idea is suss it out, cover our asses, and take advantage if possible. there's clearly immense momentum in there somewhere. if you think that's opportunistic, consider that you can do whatever you want with your windfall, should it come about.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:57:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : 11:15 a.m. April 17, 2007<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by AP Wire: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20070417-1115-riskymortgages.html" >www.signonsandiego.com/news/busi&middot;&middot;&middot;ges.html</A> :</SMALL><HR>WASHINGTON &#150; The heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac said Tuesday the mortgage finance giants are developing new types of loans to help distressed borrowers with high-risk mortgages keep their homes at a time of rising foreclosures.<br><br>Many of those borrowers &#147;could avoid foreclosure if they were offered (loans) that allow for affordable mortgage payments,&#148; Bair testified. &#147;Restructuring their loans into more affordable products, especially 30-year fixed-rate mortgages, would bring them back to good standing, allow them to repair their credit histories and dampen the impact that foreclosures may have on the broader housing market.&#148;<br><br>Most importantly, Bair added, &#147;people would be able to stay in their homes.&#148; <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Apparently, the gub'ment, via Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac will create the worlds largest welfare program for mortgage holders of $1 Million homes.<br><br>I don't see offhand how the numbers can possibly pencil out.  If a borrower has a $750K loan, and the rates have triggered from the I/O teaser rate of 1.9% to 6%, and payments go from $2000/Mo, to $4000/Mo+...  how in the world can a "program" make that workable for the borrower?  They can't lower the rate below the prime, as that is set by market.  and if they do...who pays for it...and when?  There are diminishing returns on extending out the term...even from 30 to 50 years.<br><br>But most of all, I am personally pissed.  It's one thing when someone falls on hard times due to no fault of their own or circumstances beyond their control.  I Live within my means, yet other bozo's get bailed out (at the end of the day, by TAXPAYERS) when they can't/won't live within their means...as a result of circumstances fully within their control.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : it doesn't look "physical", does it?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : The slope of that recent curve looks awfully steep, doesn't it?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by today's L.A. Times: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-forclose17apr17,1,5994887.story?coll=la-headlines-business&track=crosspromo" >www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-f&middot;&middot;&middot;osspromo</A> :</SMALL><HR>Foreclosures totaled 11,033, up 802% from the placid levels of early 2006, according to DataQuick Information Services in La Jolla. Foreclosures peaked at 15,418 in third-quarter 1996, at the tail end of the last big slowdown in the state. They bottomed out at 637 in the second quarter of 2005, as the most recent boom was cresting.<br><br>Tens of thousands of homeowners are being warned that they too are at risk. Notices of default, sent by lenders after about five months of missed payments, reached 46,760 in the first quarter, DataQuick said.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>In the story, they attempt to put a "positive" spin on it by saying "In Los Angeles County, the default rate is almost 60% below the first-quarter 1996 peak, DataQuick said, an indication of strength in many sectors of the market".  <br><br>This statement could not be more misleading.  1996 was the 7th year of home value decline in Sunny Cally.  The current info is the <I>first</I> year of value decline.  This info is simply the tip of the proverbial iceberg.  I bet we see 1000 foreclosures listed in Gardena by year end. <br><br>What I didn't know was that it now takes <B>5 Months</B> of missed payments <I>before</I> a notice of default is posted??  Back in my day (1993/4), it was 3 Months, and the legal proceedings began immediately. If the lenders are giving folks 5 months, this collapse may be worse than even I predicted.<br><br>edit:  I added this second graph as it shows how it took 3 years to reach this level of foreclosures during the last RE cycle.  I find it amazing...somewhat, that the market has hit an equivalent REO level in less than 12 Months.<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap WIDTH=33%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18186965?c=1153106&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="20301 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=148 HEIGHT=277 SRC="/r0/download/1153106~a804a7068209d1d966a2ca1176bf97f6/07calforeclosures.jpg"></A><br>From today's L.A. times, just the beginning</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18186965?c=1153117&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="38914 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=367 HEIGHT=371 SRC="/r0/download/1153117~9716c71b2ab0f05f705251de983050b0/07forgraph.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/270560"><b>Valkyre</b></A> : <A HREF="http://realestate.yahoo.com/California/Gardena/Homes_for_sale/result.html;_ylt=Arq0fJ.B4V9T34TUutXHKF_nMrQs?typeBak=realestate&p=Gardena%2C+CA&type=foreclosure&search=Search&priceLow=&priceHigh=&bedroomLow=&bathroomLow="><br><br>Yahoo</A> is showing 125 foreclosures in Gardena.  I don't know how this compares to other years, I've never checked.<br><SMALL>--<br>Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? - Gimli</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:43:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : I remember a few months there were close to 300 homes in Mission Viejo in or about to be foreclosed..unfortunately a lot are for sale by the banks are a reduced price...which dropped the the value of my house.  :mad:<br><br>Fortunately my loan balance is substantially less than my house's value...which can't be said of a lot of those foreclosures....I was surprised there are two Apartment complex's in foreclosure in RSM.  :o<br><br>If the amount of foreclosures keeps on rising...we won't need "affordable" housing.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : Found the street with all the houses on it... :o<div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18179532?c=1152607&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="118494 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=351 SRC="/r0/download/1152607.thumb600~0529691b930a20e5475f1436e07c91e0/belcara.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>70% - 1 street</TD></TR><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18179532?c=1152608&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="115991 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=434 SRC="/r0/download/1152608.thumb600~79204543d4b8dc5d3c313784e2e6b587/belcaramap.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>8 out of 11</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Well if they are not going down...the owners are going out....I wonder how many Foreclosures the larger banks have?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.downeysavings.com/ffs/properties" >www.downeysavings.com/ffs/properties</A><br> </DIV>A lot.<br><br>In my zip code, foreclosure.com lists 462 homes in a state of foreclosure.<br><br> We had a small fire in the Murrieta Creek this past week, and we were driving around a bit to get a look, and meandered through a few neighborhoods and found a cul-de-sac with about a dozen homes with about 8 or so for sale, bank owned, or with the foreclosure/auction notice posted. I looked up the docs on them, and the banks are selling them for $50k-$75k less than were sold from the builder 18 months ago...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18179480?c=1152606&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG class="apic" BORDER=0 TITLE="36269 bytes" WIDTH=600 HEIGHT=214 SRC="/r0/download/1152606.thumb600~be72735abca31d60e94624cdbc4d9c9b/foreclosure.JPG/thumb.jpg" ALT="Click for full size"></A><br>It's not getting better</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : Well if they are not going down...the owners are going out....I wonder how many Foreclosures the larger banks have?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.downeysavings.com/ffs/properties" >www.downeysavings.com/ffs/properties</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : I was being offered a hybrid - neg-am, int only, 30 fixed, 15 fixed.  The Neg-Am was something like 1.95%, I'm not even sure of the other rates, but I do know that on the 30 year fixed option, the payment would have been about $100 less per month than my current 1st and 2nd combined.<br><br>As long as my employment situation holds out I should be okay.  Working as a contract consultant and my current contract is good until at least August, then it's up for renewal.  But so is the agency I am contracting through, so if they get renewed, most likely I will too.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : So what interest rate and term are you being offered? How much for points and closing cost?  Can you hang tough for the 18 months with the note you have (plus re-season your overall credit) and then refi?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Lovehound <A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>What does it mean, "My income is jacked?"<br> </DIV>The pay at my last job made my gross income look pretty pathetic.  So at that income level my DTI (Debt to Income ratio) was so bad I had to go "stated income" instead of full docs which offers better rates.  <br><br>Since October I've been at a much higher paying job, but it will take some time before I can start using my actual income numbers because lenders usually want to go back up a number of years for income documentation.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : His income went the way of yours, just not as severe.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : This whole debacle has got me pretty steamed.<br><br>I've been speaking with a few mortgage reps over the last few months, and all but one of them have told me "they know an appraiser who will value your home at whatever you need to get this loan".<br><br>I realize that the median values are from actual sales, not from appraisals, but it still affects the industry.<br><br>I was just told yesterday that I could get my home appraised at $700k - if that is what is required to meet the guidelines of a loan program I was being pitched.<br><br>Several other appraisals I have had:<br><br>June 2006: $650k - actual<br>October 2006: $625k - actual<br>March 2007: $550k - actual<br>March 2007: $599k - zillow<br>March 2007: $650k - signt unseen mls localized from r/e agent<br>March 2007: $675k - sight unseen<br><br>Appraisals mean virtually nothing - especially in todays market since it's the price it actually sells at that matters.  I could appraise at $1 million but only find buyers willing to pay $450k.<br><br>The big lenders are doing business with their tails between their legs - everyone is scared s--tless that they are going to lose a bundle of money over the sub-prime and Alt-A loans they gave to people who simply can't afford the adjusted payments on their adjustable or even hybrid loan packages.<br><br>Me, I'm still 1.5 years away from getting out from under a pre-pay penalty that would cost me $18k if I refi with anyone other than the original lender.  And I plan on selling in about 8-9 years, so as long as I can muster my current payment(s) until then, I'm pretty safe where I'm at in my 30/40 fixed 1st @ 6.99% and my 15 year fixed 2nd @ 10%<br><br>My income is jacked so I can't go full docs for at least 2 more years.  My FICO is jacked because I closed a couple of older revolving credit lines and some unscrupulous lender ran my credit report <B>12 TIMES within 2 weeks</B>, and I am uncomfortable with these appraisers who do the bidding of their loan officer buddy-pals.  I'd rather wait for this whole thing to blow over before making my move.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ex-homes13apr13,0,5017484.story?coll=la-home-headlines">Median Southern Calif. home price passes $500,000</A><br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : Yeah, i've been reading the commentary on Dodd and Schumer, and I don't know if this is going to have enough teeth to get anywhere or enough money to have a meaningful impact. The government shouldn't interfere with natural market forces that <B>NEED</B> to take place, just like every other RE cycle that happens every decade...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : I am on my way now to buy 2  mores houses, i love the federal government ;)<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : Bumpity, bumpity, bump<br><br>Had to, just read an article and it absolutely infuriated me.  Apparently there is (already) talk of a "bail out" of the RE crisis. At the borrower level.  If one gets a home loan they know they can't afford, no worries. The rest of us will pitch in and make sure this person's 56" Plasma remains on their living room wall.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by selected snippets from: &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070411/ap_on_bi_ge/housing_woes" >news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070411/ap_&middot;&middot;&middot;ing_woes</A> :</SMALL><HR>The call for federal involvement from New York Democrat Charles Schumer, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, came on the same day the National Association of Realtors forecast that the median price for existing homes will decline for the first time since 1968 as a sales slump worsens.<br><br>"We will be proposing significant amounts of dollars," Schumer told reporters after being asked if a large federal bailout may be needed.<br>------------------------------------<br>"We've heard one heartbreaking story after another of borrowers with limited incomes being sold mortgages they could not afford," Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio, said at a briefing on Capitol Hill.<br>------------------------------------<br>Activist and community groups are stepping up efforts to aid homeowners affected by the housing market's woes. They argue that banks and mortgage brokers_not borrowers_bear most of the blame for the industry's problems.<br>------------------------------------<br>Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn, said he would call for a summit on Capitol Hill soon "to try to work out a process for providing relief to homeowners."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>So, buy anything with borrowed money, no risk.  <br><br>Before someone says, "See, it's theem dern tax 'n spend democrats"... It is important to note here this "bailout" is not for the prick-consumer.  The prick-consumer-bot will <I>always</I> be in perpetual debt. This is part of a Corporate & Chinese controlled U.S. government (both Repubs and Dems are owned), whose core methodology revolves around this concept:<br><br><B>&#147;Privatize the profits and socialize the losses&#148;</B><br><br>'Nuff said.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : In my area the amount of Foreclosures is still the same...about 30-80 a month...but what I am seeing an increase in is the amount that is owed to the bank...some homes have a appraised value of 800k....but the mortgage balance is over 700k.<br><br>So in time,my guess in 10 years or less,there will be another wave of foreclosures.  :(]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <A HREF="http://english.people.com.cn/200703/27/eng20070327_361235.html">Home foreclosures in California <B>increase 80%</B> over last year.</A><br><br>More than 16,000 California homeowners were foreclosed on in February, a 79- percent increase over the same period last year, said a report on Monday.<br><br>This was the second highest level after Florida in the nation, according to the report released by RealtyTrac.com, which monitors foreclosure activity.<br><br>California's total of 16,273 foreclosure filings during the month represented a 4-percent increase over January 2007. The state's February foreclosure rate of <B>one foreclosure filing for every 751 households</B> was 1.2 times the national average and ranked 13th highest among the states. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : The latest housing #'s came out today<br><br><A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/17795684">New Homes Sales Fall 3.9% In February, Far Below Estimates</A><br>"Sales of new U.S. homes fell 3.9% in February to the lowest rate in nearly seven years while the number of new homes on the market grew, according to a government report on Monday that showed more signs of weakness in the housing sector".<br><br><A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/17789208">U.S. Dollar Tumbles On Disappointing Housing Data</A><br>"Sales of new homes unexpectedly tumbled 3.9% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 848,000, the lowest since June 2000, the Commerce Department said. Economists had expected a 6.7% increase. Inventories of unsold homes rose 1.5% to 546,000, representing an 8.1-month supply, the largest in 16 years. Inventory is up 26.6% in the past 12 months".<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Kibbles <A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>If what is happening in Detroit ever happens here then you can definitely say our home values have gone down. </DIV>That's the least of what you could say if that happens.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/101498"><b>Kibbles</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070319/ts_nm/usa_subprime_detroit_dc" >news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070319/ts_&middot;&middot;&middot;troit_dc</A><br><br>If what is happening in Detroit ever happens here then you can definitely say our home values have gone down.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ksw_92 <A HREF="/useremail/u/389445"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>In the end, the value of your home is determined by what someone (loan officer or cash buyer) will give you for it. Anything else is just a guess based on point-in-time data. </DIV>As a potential seller, that's what I like to hear.  Because my property is unique enough that the right buyer who appreciates the qualities it has (I believe) would pay a premium to get.  Lot offers privacy, nice view of valley, neighbors homes are about 100 feet away on both sides (below me) and no one behind me.  Definately not your typical "cookie cutter" property.<br><br>For Refinancing, though, that kinda sucks.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/389445"><b>ksw_92</b></A> : Zillow's (or any other service) problem with LA County is that the recorder's office is pretty opaque as compared to other counties. This means that sometimes data is late or is binned wrong (like refis that show as sales). Also, since sales have slowed significantly the data points (comps) are more volatile which makes them throw out a lot of data since I think they groom outliers from their estimates right now. They're going to need to change their data models now that we're moving into a market that will generate less data and be more volatile.<br><br>In the end, the value of your home is determined by what someone (loan officer or cash buyer) will give you for it. Anything else is just a guess based on point-in-time data.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : reply is totally wrong, no question about it. Prices do not make any sense<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : reply.com came in at $599k<br><br>- FM]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>...$647k, and www.zillow.com puts me around $651k right now.  <br><br>I guess they are worried about the market so they're making it very difficult for customers to qualify for their loans.<br> </DIV>Try &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.reply.com/" >www.reply.com/</A><br>My house on Zillow shows $711K, Reply shows $951K.  I think these sites are for amusement purposes only. (Although Reply did show a neighbors house at $668K last fall.  The neighbor put their house on the market in June '06 at $815K, it finally sold and closed last Month at $680K)<br><br>You may want to buy your own appraisal, which I would suggest as a good investment anyway before going loan shopping. <br><br>Does anyone else see such a big discrepancy between Reply & Zillow?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.housingtracker.net/askingprices/California/LosAngeles-LongBeach-SantaAna/LosAngeles-LongBeach-Glendale" >www.housingtracker.net/askingpri&middot;&middot;&middot;Glendale</A><br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16481566~mode=journal"> Exercise and Diet journal</A>.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/677363"><b>CurtesyFlush</b></A> : Zillow was way off on this one.<br><SMALL>--<br>Life Member, NRA and CRPA.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : believe the 550. the prices of house sales in our neighborhood (sales, not offers) has fluctuated that much in 5 months. zillow is usually 6 months behind...<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : Well my latest appraisal came in.  From a bank who I was warned takes a very conservative approach in their estimations (wachovia).<br><br>They **must** be smoking something because their appraisal came in under $550k - and I can't believe the value of my home would drop over $100k in only 5 months.  I got another appraisal from real time mls data that came in at $647k, and www.zillow.com puts me around $651k right now.  <br><br>I guess they are worried about the market so they're making it very difficult for customers to qualify for their loans.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:07:42 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Some are.  Maybe a high percentage of them.<br><br>Not all will default.  Some who bought on speculation will earn enough on other investments to offset.<br><br>I'm not smart enough to predict whether we will have a minor correction, a sharp drop or something in-between.  Even if real estate gets hit "hard" in CA, that doesn't mean calamity across the continent.  The Fed could step in and loosen the money rate.  Other aspects of the economy could mitigate or lessen the impact.<br><br>All I know is that folks who ignored history, experts and common sense, who threw caution to the wind and bought way over their head (you know, dumbasses) are likely to be adjusting their lifestyles significantly.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:38:25 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Dumbasses will get burned.<br> </DIV>Question then is, how many of them are there?<br><br>Is anyone who took out some of that $1.2Trillion adjustable mortgage classified as a dumbass? The answer to this question will decide what happens to the overall economy.<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16481566~mode=journal"> Exercise and Diet journal</A>.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Most people wouldn't consider a real estate "crash" - however that's defined - as a good thing.  Neither is it good to have a hyper-inflated market driven by speculation that prices out folks who would otherwise be responsible homeowners.  And yes, a drop in housing has ripple effects in other parts of the economy.<br><br>It will be what it will be,  Smart folks will find opportunity in markets - boom or bust.  Conservative folks will weather rough spots.  Dumbasses will get burned.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/205333"><b>AR</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  HappyBunny <A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I am just biding my time and then will buy my first home...<br> </DIV>Followed my way in here from the Pub...<br><br>Is that a good thing? Waiting for the crash? Because I imagine a RE crash will translate into recession and hit the job sector - across different industries.<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16481566~mode=journal"> Exercise and Diet journal</A>.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> :D you're just praying that prices go down so you can buy a house. You do realize that 247 is not a big number at al<br> </DIV>You should also realize that having housing prices double in a 5 year period isn't normal either. <br><br>There's no need to pray, prices in many areas are teetering at late 2004 prices right now. Not to mention all the short sales out there - house about 1/2 mile from me sold last spring for $630k, NOD in October, and REO now for $550k... :o<br><br>The people who need to be praying are not the ones waiting for prices to come down...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR> :D you're just praying that prices go down so you can buy a house. You do realize that 247 is not a big number at al<br> </DIV>Sorry, wrong answer.  I bought my house back in 1994 (at the bottom of the last RE fiasco).  Only refi'd to cut the interest rate and term.  6.5 more years of mortgage payments for me.  On this one.<br><br>You are correct, -247 isn't big by itself.  Last Months -500 drop  wasn't big by itself either.  Look closely at the volume during the last hour of trading today. Lets see waht happens over the next 3 Months.<br><br>I don't need to pray for prices to go down.  Just need to wait. :uhh:]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : Ya got that right...speaking of a perfect time:<br><br>I got back from lunch to see the <B>market down 247 points</B>.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by  <B>Holy Sheep Shit Batman</B> :</SMALL><HR>Accredited (Nasdaq:LEND - news), based in San Diego, said it needed to raise money after paying $190 million demanded by its lenders, is cutting an unspecified number of jobs, and is exploring "strategic options," including raising new capital.<br><br>Irvine, California-based New Century (Other OTC:NEWC - news), meanwhile, had trading in its shares suspended by the<br>New York Stock Exchange prior to delisting and received a grand jury subpoena in a federal criminal probe. On Monday, the real estate investment trust had said it did not have enough cash to repay its own lenders.<br><br>Edit:  Looks like this is taking down GMAC as well:<br>DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Acceptance Corp., the former finance arm of General Motors Corp. (NYSE:GM - news), on Tuesday said it would receive another $1 billion from GM and warned it would be hit by pressure from a weakening market for U.S. mortgages.<br><br>GMAC said GM would transfer about $1 billion to the finance company in the form of common equity by the end of the first quarter to shore up its balance sheet under the terms of its sale to a group led by Cerberus Capital Management.<br><br>Feldstein said GMAC was tightening its underwriting standards for mortgages to borrowers with weaker credit and taking more aggressive steps to address delinquent loans.<br><br>Problems in the subprime mortgage sector, which involves loans to riskier borrowers, have emerged as a major risk factor for the U.S. financial markets in recent weeks.<br><br><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Looks like the subprime meltdown is going faster than even I (or aztecnology) predicted.  Alt-A is next, then A-Paper backed securities.  Credit will be tighter than a (insert flagrantly hostile sexist remark here).  When credit tightens up, almost no one will be qualified to borrow at competitive rates.  If nobody can borrow, nobody can buy.  If nobody can buy, I may just restate my prediction of a 40% drop in home values to...perhaps 60%?<br><br>A lot of people will be left holding the bag like Randolph & Mortimer Duke at the end of the movie Trading Places.  This upcoming recession may be a mother.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : it'll be a great market if you have cash lying around and some reasonable buying skills. a perfect time to time the market, kinda like stocks in the mid 90s.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> :  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>,<br><br>Your comment about alt-a lending pressures reminded me that I had read about that just yesterday.  Took me until now to remember where I'd seen it.<br><br><BLOCKQUOTE><br> Alt-A Mortgage Losses Accelerate, Threatening MBS - Study<br><br>Mar 13, 2007 14:43:33 (ET)<br><br>Losses on so-called Alt-A home loans are accelerating and could hit the value of lower-rated portions of some mortgage-backed securities, according to a study released Tuesday.<br><br>Alt-A loans are considered less risky than subprime mortgages, but usually have lower credit quality than "prime" loans. Companies such as IndyMac Bancorp Inc. (NDE), Impac Mortgage Holdings Inc. (IMH) and Countrywide Financial Corp. (CFC) offer them.<br><br>Delinquencies have jumped on Alt-A mortgages originated last year with adjustable interest rates that let borrowers pay only the interest for a time.<br><br>These loans, known as Alt-A ARM IOs, have seen a fourfold increase in delinquencies of at least 60 days, four times the level of similar loans originated in 2003 and 2004, according to the study by David Liu, head of mortgage credit research at UBS, and LoanPerformance, a division of real estate data firm First American.<br><br>This "alarming" deterioration could have dire consequences for some investors in the BBB- rated parts of mortgage-backed securities (MBS) that contain these types of loans, but the market hasn't priced these risks in yet, Liu warned.<br><br>Losses "could potentially wipe out most of the credit support on BBB- rated bonds backed by Alt-A hybrids," Liu wrote. "And yet we have not seen any spread movements that suggest investors are taking this into consideration."<br><br>Liu's study, which used LoanPerformance data from the end of January, is based on the housing market remaining relatively flat over the next few years.<br><br>"If house prices fall over the next few years, everything in this scenario will be much worst," he said in an interview.<br><br>Alt-A loans were originally designed for borrowers with clean credit records, but with other issues that often meant they provided fewer documents or even no documents showing what they earned. These loans were attractive to investors in mortgage-backed securities because they offered higher yields than traditional "prime" home loans, but were underpinned by the cleaner credit records of the borrowers.<br><br>The popularity of Alt-A mortgages exploded in recent years. A record $400 billion of these loans were originated in 2006. They accounted for 13.4% of all mortgages offered last year, up from 2.1% in 2003, according to industry publisher Inside Mortgage Finance.<br><br>But as the Alt-A business grew, more of these loans were offered to less creditworthy borrowers and the products became more exotic.<br><br>"The Alt-A sector is the poster child for the past decade's tremendous growth and drastic evolution in the mortgage market," Liu wrote in the LoanPerformance study.<br><br>Alt-A ARM IO loans have "taken the leading role within continuously expanding borrower leverage in the runaway housing market," he added.<br><br>Three quarters of all Alt-A loans originated in 2006 were innovative mortgages such as interest-only loans and option ARMs, he noted.<br><br>As ARM IO mortgages took over as one of the dominant ARM products, the performance of these loans deteriorated rapidly, Liu said.<br><br>The main reason is that the housing market is much weaker than it was a few years ago and interest rates are much higher, Liu explained. "On top of that, underwriting standards were looser recently," he added.<br><br>The deterioration is "alarming" for investors in lower-rated bonds that are backed by these loans, Liu said.<br><br>Mortgage loans are usually packaged together and sold as mortgage-backed securities to institutions such as pension funds, insurers and hedge funds.<br><br>They are sliced up into different sections, known as tranches. Higher quality tranches pay lower interest rates, but are less likely to experience losses. Lower-rated slices, rated BBB- and BBB, yield more, but are the first to get hit when losses occur in the underlying mortgages.<br><br>An extra chunk of cash is included in MBS - called credit support or enhancement - that protects investors against a certain level of losses.<br><br>Liu's study suggests that losses in Alt-A ARM IO mortgages could wipe out the credit support on BBB- rated tranches of some MBS.<br><br>"There is a 34% probability that the entire BBB- tranche might get wiped out," he wrote. "Similarly, there is a 17% probability that cumulative losses reach 300 basis points, which could make BBB bonds appear on the endangered species list."<br><br>If the housing market remains flat or turns negative for a prolonged period, losses could rise further, "which will wipe out credit support of BBB bonds on these deals," he added.<br><br>If credit support on these tranches is erased, investors would still have access to the income. But Liu warned that they would likely be downgraded by credit rating agencies anyway, cutting their value.<br><br>There are a lot of moving parts in these projections, Liu said, noting that the analysis is "relatively crude."<br><br>"Even so, we believe our results are very powerful and are not currently reflected in the market," he concluded.<br>    <br>-By Alistair Barr; 415-439-6400; AskNewswires@dowjones.com </BLOCKQUOTE>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR>Forget the people who bought well beyond their means, what about all the people who "pulled equity out" in the form of refinancing(s) to subsidize their life style on Front Street? When you see the used car lots spilling over with '06 Escalades, A8 Audi's and those year old 6 & 7 series BMW's...look out.  <br> </DIV>I have <I><B>never</I></B> understood someone pulling money out of a house to buy a car, TV or other nicety.  Home improvement projects may make sense ...<br> </DIV>A lot of people I know consider a <A HREF="http://www.tvsnob.com/archives/006314.php">71" Plasma</A> a "home improvement", and since a Lexus LS460, Infinity QX56 and various and sundry Ski Doo's all fit in the garage, they too are "home improvements".<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I purchased my home in june of 1995 for a whopping $189k.<br><br>After several refinancings for various reasons (credit consolidation, divorce, etc) I now owe over $500k on the thing and I'm essentially no further into my original 30 year loan than I was the day I bought it.<br><br>And I'm refinancing again because I'm poor at managing money.  The only thing going for me at this time is that it's value is currently somewhere between $650-700k.<br><br>Even if the values drop in some drastic event, there should still be an annual steady climb of around 3% so those who keep their homes for the long term will eventually see their equity build.<br><br>- FM<br> </DIV>As long as you can <B>comfortably</B> afford the mortgage, your ok.  Over time, and it may be a loooong time, it will appreciate.  But take it from me, that "poor money management" thing will catch up with you.  <br><br>Amazon this: <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/Only-Investment-Guide-Youll-Ever/dp/0156011077/ref=sr_1_1/104-5552360-1307122?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173804949&sr=1-1">Andy Tobias</A> .  The title is totally misleading, and it hasn't been updated in a while, so when you see the words "stock market", simply mentally replace them with "Home Equity".  But otherwise, it helped change my thinking.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  FutureMon <A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Even if the values drop in some drastic event, there should still be an annual steady climb of around 3% so those who keep their homes for the long term will eventually see their equity build.<br><br>- FM<br> </DIV>When you factor in inflation, where are you...? <br><br>Sure, time is on your side if you remain in the house long term but as you can attest to, life happens...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/214151"><b>FutureMon</b></A> : I purchased my home in june of 1995 for a whopping $189k.<br><br>After several refinancings for various reasons (credit consolidation, divorce, etc) I now owe over $500k on the thing and I'm essentially no further into my original 30 year loan than I was the day I bought it.<br><br>And I'm refinancing again because I'm poor at managing money.  The only thing going for me at this time is that it's value is currently somewhere between $650-700k.<br><br>Even if the values drop in some drastic event, there should still be an annual steady climb of around 3% so those who keep their homes for the long term will eventually see their equity build.<br><br>- FM<br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4359596~root=seti~mode=flat"><B>Undisputed BBR Karaoke Champion!</B></A> Care to challenge me?</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Forget the people who bought well beyond their means, what about all the people who "pulled equity out" in the form of refinancing(s) to subsidize their life style on Front Street? When you see the used car lots spilling over with '06 Escalades, A8 Audi's and those year old 6 & 7 series BMW's...look out.  <br> </DIV>I have <I><B>never</I></B> understood someone pulling money out of a house to buy a car, TV or other nicety.  Home improvement projects may make sense - you're speculating on an investment and that your improvement will produce a return.  Otherwise, it makes as much sense as borrowing against the value of a stock to buy another stock.  It's not an invalid approach; I just don't have the stomach for it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jinjimbob <A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The population is growing at a huge rate, people are being born and moving here in droves.<br><br>The demand is still there. A 3% decline in the national average house price means nothing, especially when most people can't even dream of buying a $200k house, they don't exist in populated areas.<br><br>I know people here want the prices to drop 40% so that they can afford one, but this won't happen, sorry.<br> </DIV>A.  What % of this "massive" population growth is domestic and earning mid-six figures?<br><br>B.  The demand and the "resources" are two different things. The market is forcing a change in the "resources", thereby cutting the "demand" off at the knees.<br><br>C.  40% drop in home prices impossible?  Keep listening to the "Real Estate Experts".  History is not on your side.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><b>jinjimbob</b></A> : The population is growing at a huge rate, people are being born and moving here in droves.<br><br>The demand is still there. A 3% decline in the national average house price means nothing, especially when most people can't even dream of buying a $200k house, they don't exist in populated areas.<br><br>I know people here want the prices to drop 40% so that they can afford one, but this won't happen, sorry.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : You should be OK and in good shape.  But don't be surprised if/when the value comes back down to about what you paid for it.  <br><br>Values are determined by market demand.  About $1.2 Trillion in Mortgage ARM rates will adjust up this year.  This will affect almost <I>all</I> people who have purchased in the past 2-3 years.  Not just the Subprime borrowers, but the Alt-A's, and A-Paper folks as well.  Just because one has a high FICO/Good credit, does not necessarily translate to being able to afford a $6000/Mo house note on a $850K Mar Vista Condo or Van Nuys fixer-upper.  I am seeing short-sales already...and these are the smart people.<br><br>What I think is even more important than the impending total collapse of the housing market/home building industry/RE Finance industry & secondary Mortgage Markets, is how this will play out on the economy in general.<br><br>Forget the people who bought well beyond their means, what about all the people who "pulled equity out" in the form of refinancing(s) to subsidize their life style on Front Street? When you see the used car lots spilling over with '06 Escalades, A8 Audi's and those year old 6 & 7 series BMW's...look out.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Each one of us can post links that are shows what we want it to be showing. Lets wait till summer to see what happens to the market. Yes foreclosure may be high but what will happen to the prices is the million dollars question<br> </DIV>First you said wait til Feb's #'s come out, now you want to wait til summer... :D<br><br>You're lucky in that you bought nearly 5 years ago, hopefully you left your equity in tact<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : How long ago did you buy your house?  The one with 700 sprinklers?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : Each one of us can post links that are shows what we want it to be showing. Lets wait till summer to see what happens to the market. Yes foreclosure may be high but what will happen to the prices is the million dollars question<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-me-homes13mar13,0,3449207.story?coll=la-home-business">L.A. home prices post another record high</A><br> </DIV>Literally, every time I click on a new link... :o :o :o<br><br><A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ahwzaBwuNaII&refer=home">Foreclosures May Hit 1.5 Million in U.S. Housing Bust</A><br><br>By Bob Ivry<br><br>March 12 (Bloomberg) -- <B>Hold on to your assets. The deepest housing decline in 16 years is about to get worse</B>. <br><br>"As many as 1.5 million more Americans may lose their homes, another 100,000 people in housing-related industries could be fired, and an estimated 100 additional subprime mortgage companies that lend money to people with bad or limited credit may go under, according to realtors, economists, analysts and a Federal Reserve governor. Financial stocks also could extend their declines over mortgage default worries".<br><br>This article is a must read...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><A HREF="http://www.latimes.com/business/la-me-homes13mar13,0,3449207.story?coll=la-home-business">L.A. home prices post another record high</A><br> </DIV>Think about this from the first paragraph:<br><br>"Los Angeles County home prices continued to show resilience last month, <B>reaching a new median record even as sales declined for the 16th consecutive month</B>, data released today showed".<br><br>Other than the median being a totally bogus and lagging indicator, it only tells me that the high end market is still moving in the ritziest parts of the county...<br><br>And from a little further down:<br>"Because Los Angeles is the largest housing market in the state, prices appear to be holding up better than elsewhere. But the county also came later to the state's housing boom that began nearly seven years ago <B>and now is one the last to lose steam</B>".<br><br>Housing prices always go up, and trees grow to the sky...ROFLMAO!!!1!!!111<br><br>EDIT!:<br>O.C.'s home price winning streak is over<br><br>February marks the end of a decade-long winning streak for O.C. housing. The median selling price, by DataQuick's count, fell 0.4% vs. a year ago. <B>It's the first year-over-year drop since Nov. 1996. Sales volume was sluggish, too. February was the 17th straight month that buying activity failed to meet the previous year's pace</B>. <br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/" >blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/</A><br><br>Ylen, that last part looks eerily familiar to the one from your "record high" article...<br><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> <br><br> It is pretty clear we are looking at a 40% value drop in home value over the next 2-4 years, IMO.  And moreover, as was mentioned yesterday by <A HREF="http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/greenspan_reces.html">Alan Greenspan</A>, a major economic recession is headed our way by years end...which may have helped precipitate the massive DOW/S&P 500 sell off today.<br><br><B>What do you think?</B><br> </DIV>Just thought that I would chime in with more good news for the housing bubble...<br><br><A HREF="http://www.cnbc.com/id/17576282">New Century Lenders Cut Off Financing; Stock Halted</A><br><br><A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/09/real_estate/countrywide.reut/index.htm?postversion=2007030917">Countrywide stops no-money-down lending</A><br><br>As the nations #1 lender stops doing 100% cltv, and the other big boys follow suit, I'd say that this puts the screws to about 99% of the first time buyers market, and probably about 80% of the refi market of the last several years...<br><br>This just in, CW CEO dumping stock faster than I can type this sentence, ROFLMAO!!!1!!11<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/25191.htm" >www.secform4.com/insider-trading/25191.htm</A><br><br><A HREF="http://ml-implode.com/">Keep track of your favorite bankrupt lenders</A><br><br>Now this link is certainly worth reading...<br><A HREF="http://www.nuzmo.com/t68.html">Insight on US Housing Market by a Foreclosure Expert</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : You are correct.  I consider this an "investment window".  You have pointed out a 30-year investment window.  Same with stocks, over very long periods of time, the DOW/S&P 500/Etc. values appreciate.<br><br>But what happens when ones "window" is dynamic?  An example is I bought a house in 1989 for $265K.  5 years later, in 1993 it was worth $195K.  About a 25% decrease in value.  Last year, it was worth $650K.  A 120% increase over 17 years.<br><br>Problem, when it was at it's low, I could not afford it.  The adjustable rate I got (this after a real 15% down payment) kept adjusting up.  The economy slowed, business slowed, and I had to walk away from it.  (A sugar-coated way to say they kicked my ass out of it).<br><br>I did not have the resources to survive through the downside of my "investment window".  Part of the question is how will this pending down cycle affect people?  For those that bought in the past 4 years or so, with much more "exotic" financing, how will they fare?  How will this affect the overall economy that frankly has been artificially propped up over the past 7 years with loose-credit.  Refinancing & pulling cash out of over valued real estate has fueled most of the consumer spending during this time.<br><br>When this free-lunch dries up, what will happen?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : On average, about 3%, but real estate has a cycle, just like the business cycle, and so oscillation in prices is quite normal.<br><SMALL>--<br> cum hoc ergo propter hoc</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/515212"><b>jinjimbob</b></A> : If you look at the value of houses over the last 30 years, on average they have gone up around 3% per year.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/172393"><b>coxta</b></A> : You could loess all the data for the last ten years and it would look like a smooth line.  I don't have a problem with the data presentation, it's a way to give an idea of the relative change, not the absolute.  The issue, is how it's interpreted.<br><br>I work around the real estate business, and the prevailing observation is that home prices are steady to increasing, but sales are fewer.  Also, keep in mind that presented data is lagging by about six months.<br><SMALL>--<br> cum hoc ergo propter hoc</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : Ok, here is the chart as it should be. The black bars are the average of the data as given. Notice that the dip in January is about 10% off the average, while the peak is about 8% above the average.<br><br>And these are just sales, AND they left off one of the most important pieces of data, the past December-January data. How many homes do you think normally switch hands around Christmas?. My bet is that seasonally, it's USUALLY the lowest sales time of the year, if for nothing else than the banks/sales staff are all on vacation.<br><br>The article is worse than useless, it's misleading.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/17939373?c=1133900&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="35202 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=577 HEIGHT=435 SRC="/r0/download/1133900~44fc172fb9da49ce8c535eff345d7240/chartit.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jig <A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Like i said lets wait for february #'s to come out.<br> </DIV>New-home sales plunge 16.6% to 937,000<br>Commerce Department reports biggest percentage drop in 13 years.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-home-sales-plunge-166-937000/story.aspx?guid=%7B7A2A4137-1955-424E-ACA2-D05A324BD8C9%7D" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n&middot;&middot;&middot;BD8C9%7D</A><br> </DIV>this particular article is doing it's best to incite fear...</DIV>O rly...?<br><br><div class="bquote"> look at the vertical scale of the graph, it doesn't go to zero, but makes it look like sales have dropped off a cliff.<br></DIV>That's housing over the last year, and the chart is in millions...<br><br><div class="bquote"> if anything, they should have measured the drop against a running average, not a recent peak.</DIV> When you do that it actually looks a lot worse...<br><br><div class="bquote">i'm not saying we aren't heading for a correction, but this article sucks.<br> </DIV>Not thinking about it or not talking about it will prevent reversion to the mean...<br><br>This article gets it's data from the commerce department, feel free to dismiss the bias, and provide us with a more balanced view of the data - &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.census.gov/const/www/newressalesindex.html" >www.census.gov/const/www/newress&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=2 WIDTH=66%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/17938973?c=1133877&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxNzkxMTgwNy54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="4693 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=221 HEIGHT=169 SRC="/r0/download/1133877~12fe2acb1657ff21af4cbbe2ae00d964/Image.gif"></A><br>Draw your own conclusions....</TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/279131"><b>jig</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Like i said lets wait for february #'s to come out.<br> </DIV>New-home sales plunge 16.6% to 937,000<br>Commerce Department reports biggest percentage drop in 13 years.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-home-sales-plunge-166-937000/story.aspx?guid=%7B7A2A4137-1955-424E-ACA2-D05A324BD8C9%7D" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n&middot;&middot;&middot;BD8C9%7D</A><br> </DIV>this particular article is doing it's best to incite fear... look at the vertical scale of the graph, it doesn't go to zero, but makes it look like sales have dropped off a cliff. if anything, they should have measured the drop against a running average, not a recent peak.<br><br>i'm not saying we aren't heading for a correction, but this article sucks.<br><SMALL>--<br>A man compounded of law and gospel is able to cheat a whole country with his religion and then destroy them under color of law. -Ben Franklin</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><b>HappyBunny</b></A> : The biggest factor, IMO, is that the "flippers" and investors have left this market. These were the folks who were really pushing up the prices. They were making insane profits by doing so. And downtown Long Beach has three or four new condo towers going up, and prices *start* in the $600,000s. These projects were started when the market was hot but it sure isn't now--and I bet those prices come down when the condos sit there empty.<br><br>The hidden benefit might be that fewer condo projects will be built--and fewer architectural treasures will destroyed to build them. All over LA, cool buildings have been disappearing at a frightening rate, to make room for new condo projects. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1435392"><b>LeCurNon</b></A> : Congress has pushed labor costs up and thereby caused and is causing the exodus of jobs.  New houses and condos are currently priced outside the affordability of the average job.<br>Therefore, housing prices will drop until they reach a level affordable by the buyer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : If you want to read a horror story:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article307.html" >www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article307.html</A><br><br><B>US Recession in 2007 - Third Leg of the Bear Market Likely </B><br>"As our clients know, we have been forecasting a very hard recession over the next few years. At the beginning of 2006, our analysis was viewed with skepticism, but as more data comes in from the recent performance of the economy, our forecast is becoming more probable."<br><br>(edit):  ...This just came across;<br>NEW YORK (Fortune) -- When a certain $126,000 subprime loan on a $696,000 house on the West Coast failed to produce a single mortgage payment, alarm bells went off at Clayton Holdings, a company that monitors credit risk.<br><br>Closer scrutiny revealed other red flags. The borrower's previous rent payment had been $1,000, compared to the $4,482 she was supposed to be shelling out for both the primary loan and the $126,000 piggyback. <B>And her stated income was $84,000 even though she was an hourly worker at Target. </B><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/magazines/fortune/subprime.fortune/index.htm?cnn=yes" >money.cnn.com/2007/02/28/magazin&middot;&middot;&middot;?cnn=yes</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  jamez818 <A HREF="/useremail/u/203767"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I read the article and its sounds exaggerated. Its too pro new york. one thing is right though everyone wants to move to LA.<br> </DIV>That article is from 1984. It serves to illustrate the point that people are stupid, and that history repeats itself...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/203767"><b>jamez818</b></A> : I read the article and its sounds exaggerated. Its too pro new york. one thing is right though everyone wants to move to LA.<br><SMALL>--<br>just whiners and complainers...</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><b>Lovehound</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Um, here's how this whole tax thing works:<br><br>If you earn money...<br> </DIV>You lost me there. Earn? Money?<br><br>Please do not mention the dreaded word ending in 'K.']]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : yes you can buy a condo for 550k, i can even buy one that is new but then i also know 3kqft that recently sold for 1+ mil (about 20 of the houses) so it all depends what you looking for. I usually look at houses with sqft around 2k+<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : www.realtor.com shows 163 properties currently listed in North Hollywood between $550K and $450K.  These include <B>both</B> Condos and SFR's.<br><br>There are 50 Condos and SFR's listed in Woodland Hills, Canoga Park, and Calabasas today <I>under</I> $550K.<br><br>I choose $550K as an up-limit because these are all <I>asking</I> prices in a buyers market.  I would bet 5 of these sell for 10% less than asking...if they sell at all this year.<br><br>ziprealty.com list 223 homes for sale in Burbank (at any price) as of 2/28/07.  3 years ago, 2/28/04 there were 34 homes for sale in Burbank.  This simply illustrates supply/demand, which you and I have agreed is a <B>law</B>.<br><br>Ylen, I know Calabasas is a gang-infested, high-crime area with a shitty school system that you may not label as "good" :), but there are homes one can buy today at $450K.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  nightdesigns <A HREF="/useremail/u/638243"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  HappyBunny <A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I am just biding my time and then will buy my first home...<br> </DIV>Ditto, I'm watching the prices, it's almost time.  Condo prices are finally going down to correct pricing.  Seen drops of $50k on a $450k home, talk about inflation.<br> </DIV>not sure what area you seen a house that cost 450k but in san fernando valley you not going to find a house for 450k in a good neighborhood<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/638243"><b>nightdesigns</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  HappyBunny <A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I am just biding my time and then will buy my first home...<br> </DIV>Ditto, I'm watching the prices, it's almost time.  Condo prices are finally going down to correct pricing.  Seen drops of $50k on a $450k home, talk about inflation.<br><SMALL>--<br>[[Your signature here]]</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : I simply noted his comments without commentary.  I miss Al, too.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/389445"><b>ksw_92</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  No_Strings <A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I listened to part of Fed Chairman Bernanke's remarks this morning and took away a couple of things </DIV>I never pegged you as a Kool-Aid drinker. Bernake's hasn't been tested by fire yet and is following the old Fed playbook of giving the market tame bromides. When the MBS market unwinds we'll see how sure-footed he'll be.<br><br>And it will unwind. We've already seen the start of a credit crunch in the sub-prime and Alt-A markets and underwriters are now asking for more than mirror-fogging abilities. This, coupled with a rise in defaults, has just started to put downward pressure on home prices. There's a certain amount of jiggery-pokery going on still with comps but you can only play that game for so long before the real numbers start sneaking in and then you can get into an over-correction.<br><br>Maybe Bernake thinks all the major manufacturing sectors that have been recording shrinking numbers are just burning all those vacation days that were banked during last few years of balls to the wall production. And a predicted GDP growth that's less than real inflation is still growth, right? Yeah, that's the ticket!]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : I listened to part of Fed Chairman Bernanke's remarks this morning and took away a couple of things, paraphrased liberally:<br><br>The sub-prime lending market, while important, is not broken or headed for a train wreck.  It is worth watching.<br><br>Housing is not a catastrophe by any stretch.<br><br>The overall economy is not headed for recession.  In fact, modest growth is expected and any inprovement in housing would mean strong growth.<br><br>We need to fix what is a looming train wreck in the form of social entitlements before they wreck the economy.  Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid could sink the ship and the longer we wait to start bailing, the more likely we will find there aren't enough life rafts.<br><br>Modest recovery in the US stock markets this morning as a result of his comments (after I sold some stuff - d'oh!).<br><br>edit: I realize his remarks apply to the US economy and your post relates more to So Cal, but it's all relevant.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Like i said lets wait for february #'s to come out.<br> </DIV>New-home sales plunge 16.6% to 937,000<br>Commerce Department reports biggest percentage drop in 13 years.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-home-sales-plunge-166-937000/story.aspx?guid=%7B7A2A4137-1955-424E-ACA2-D05A324BD8C9%7D" >www.marketwatch.com/news/story/n&middot;&middot;&middot;BD8C9%7D</A><br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/520919"><b>No_Strings</b></A> : Um, here's how this whole tax thing works:<br><br>If you earn money, you owe some of it to some entity in the form of tax.  Regardless of the rate, regardless of how much contempt you hold for the taxing agency, you still have more money than you did before.  I'm happy to reduce the amount of tax I pay, but not if it means less income.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1249789"><b>Lovehound</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>It is pretty clear we are looking at a 40% value drop in home value over the next 2-4 years, IMO.<br> </DIV>Cool! :) Way cool! :) My house is paid off but I face huge capital gains taxes if I sell and move into a less expensive house (in a better locale, away from LA).<br><br>Any loss in national home values will benefit me since I intend to purchase a nicer house, elsewhere. Lower housing prices will mean little or no capital gains taxes for me.<br><br>Bring it on! :)]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <A HREF="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E05E3D71538F93BA35751C1A962948260">The day Los Angeles's bubble burst</A> - By Mr. Ben Stein, a must read.<br><br>It happened in the 80's, it happened again in the 90's, and it's happening again in the 2000's...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : Like i said lets wait for february #'s to come out. All of those that are hopping that prices will drop and you can get in to the market can dream but you will most likely will have to dream for long time before it happens<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:45:49 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Ylen, you have simply not been here long enough to remember the last time people said:  "SoCal real estate will <I>never</I> go down!"  Some areas ... those "good" areas went down over 40%.  This was just 16 short years ago.<br><br>Frankly, the environment seems exponentially worse to me now.<br> </DIV>Truth. People couldn't give homes away 15 years ago...<br> </DIV>population has increase since then. We are no longer in 1989, 1993. February housing report should give good indication of housing market<br> </DIV>It's worse this time, much worse. People can only live off of MEW for so long. Incomes do not support housing prices.<br><br>Loose lending + Fraud + Speculation + any wild variable = Recipe for disaster...<br><br>I'll use the OC as an example:<br><br>The median income for a household in the county was $61,899<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_County,_California" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Cou&middot;&middot;&middot;lifornia</A><br><br>The current median house price $605,000<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/" >blogs.ocregister.com/lansner/</A><br><br>Lending use to require a down payment, use to require mortgage obligations to be no more than 28%-36% of income, use to require house affordability at 3-4 times annual income...<br><br>$62,000 x 4 = $250,000<br><br>$62,000 /12 = $5,166<br><br>$600,000 @ 5% for 30 years = $3,220 with generous terms<br><br>$480,000 @ 5% for 30 years = $2,576 with a 20% downpayment<br><br>$3,220 / $5,166 = 62%<br><br>$2,576 / $5,166 = 50%<br><br>This doesn't even factor in property taxes and other credit obligations<br><br>The #'s speak for themselves...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  aztecnology <A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Ylen, you have simply not been here long enough to remember the last time people said:  "SoCal real estate will <I>never</I> go down!"  Some areas ... those "good" areas went down over 40%.  This was just 16 short years ago.<br><br>Frankly, the environment seems exponentially worse to me now.<br> </DIV>Truth. People couldn't give homes away 15 years ago...<br> </DIV>population has increase since then. We are no longer in 1989, 1993. February housing report should give good indication of housing market<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:49:48 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Ylen, you have simply not been here long enough to remember the last time people said:  "SoCal real estate will <I>never</I> go down!"  Some areas ... those "good" areas went down over 40%.  This was just 16 short years ago.<br><br>Frankly, the environment seems exponentially worse to me now.<br> </DIV>Truth. People couldn't give homes away 15 years ago...<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:47:44 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  tacoma <A HREF="/useremail/u/392942"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>The down closed down 546.02, 4.3%.  'Massive' sell off would be overstating.<br> </DIV>I don't think I am overstating (perhaps sensationalizing), as it relates to real estate.<br><br>Isn't it historically true when stocks go down, interest rates go up.  If this is a trend over the next 2 quarters, we will see adjustable rates rise.  If that happens, those subprime folks who are already hanging on by a thread will have their rates automatically trigger up to the max allowed.<br><br>All those trillions of dollars of "re-adjustments" is what everyone has been cautious of.  If there is a flood of foreclosures, then values will sink.<br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  81399672 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  HappyBunny <A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I am just biding my time and then will buy my first home...<br> </DIV>Never going see 40% drop, prices are actually going up very slowly but are going up. While prices may have dropped around the country that's not the case here in socal<br><br>If you think you going to see a house in 400k range any time soon in a good location then you will be waiting for long time<br> </DIV>Ylen, you have simply not been here long enough to remember the last time people said:  "SoCal real estate will <I>never</I> go down!"  Some areas ... those "good" areas went down over 40%.  This was just 16 short years ago.<br><br>Frankly, the environment seems exponentially worse to me now.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : Yes 400 lost but it may not mean much actually. Most you going to see is 10% correction. I understand you want prices to go down but chances of that happening right now are that high. This month buying/selling will show us the picture which i predict will be that sale of houses have slowdown but prices is still going up<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:32:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/769628"><b>aztecnology</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  dogma <A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2007-02-27-existing-jan_x.htm?csp=34">USA TODAY</A> :</SMALL><HR>WASHINGTON (AP) &#151; Mortgage finance company Freddie Mac (FRE) will no longer buy subprime mortgages that have a "high likelihood" of payment shock and foreclosure, a surprise move that came amid a deteriorating market for subprime loans affected by slumping home prices and rising interest rates, the company announced Tuesday.<br><br>The median price of an existing home sold in January dropped to $210,600, a decline of 3.1% from a year ago. It marked the sixth straight month that the median price has been down compared with a year ago. The January decline was the third-biggest drop in history.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The end of subprime lending is at hand, coupled with the third biggest drop in home prices for the Month of January in HISTORY.<br><br>Since "subprime"  (under a 660 FICO I think) <B>has been</B> the market, the driving component that has pushed home values past reality over the past 10 years.  And considering 70% or so of potential home buyers fall into the subprime category, this move effectively locks them out of the market. Add the increasing mortgage default rates rose 67% and bankruptcies rose 9.6% during Q4 2006.  (BTW, BK's are pretty much irrelevant nowadays due to the BK laws being rewritten by the "BigLending" cartels)<br><br>In a Filing footnote, I find: Freddie Mac renegotiates the terms of the loan with someone who is delinquent, then, voila, that person is no longer delinquent. It seems to me that since about June of 2006, Freddie Mac is struggling to keep this Ponzi scheme afloat...at least until today.  So we may see foreclosures quadruple month over month by years end.<br><br> It is pretty clear we are looking at a 40% value drop in home value over the next 2-4 years, IMO.  And moreover, as was mentioned yesterday by <A HREF="http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/greenspan_reces.html">Alan Greenspan</A>, a major economic recession is headed our way by years end...which may have helped precipitate the massive DOW/S&P 500 sell off today.<br><br>What do you think?<br> </DIV>2007, the year of the reckoning...<br><br>We've got 1 foot in the recession bucket<br><br>The market dropped 400+ points today<br><br>NOD's are up<br><br>Foreclosure's are up<br><br>Property tax lates are up<br><br>Prices are coming down (Don't be fooled by the MEDIAN price)<br><br>Subprime mortgage lenders are imploding and going bankrupt <br><br>Freddie and Fannie will lead the way in the credit crunch<br><br>The fed is in a catch 22, battling recession/printing money they probably can't do anything meaningful with interest rates<br><br>Lenders came up with a grey area called Alt-A (620-680) which now sits between prime and subprime, and for the most part subprime is considered as anything below 620<br><br>Bubbles eventually correct to their historical trend line, always, and tend to over correct at that<br><SMALL>--<br>"Independent thinkers tend to ALWAYS have someone not agreeing with them. It's The non-thinkers that always come in legions." John Callari .:|:. Say no to the IRS <A HREF="http://www.fairtaxvolunteer.org/smart/faq-main.html#1">Yes to the Fair Tax</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  HappyBunny <A HREF="/useremail/u/417229"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I am just biding my time and then will buy my first home...<br> </DIV>If you think you going to see a house in 400k range any time soon in a good location then you will be waiting for long time<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1358638"><b>81399672</b></A> : Never going see 40% drop, prices are actually going up very slowly but are going up.  While prices may have dropped around the country that's not the case here in socal<br><SMALL>--<br>i am not a lawyer but I do play one on tv</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/270560"><b>Valkyre</b></A> : Counter that, with this: (Italics added by me)<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/6103656.html" >www.dailybreeze.com/news/article&middot;&middot;&middot;656.html</A><br><br><B>Consumer confidence rides up to a 5-year high</B><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>New, 9 a.m.: Research group sees economic growth continuing; <I>hopes are up that the housing market is climbing out of severe slump</I>.<br>By The Associated Press<br><br>NEW YORK - Consumer confidence rose to its highest level in five-and-a-half years amid optimism that the nation's economy is creating enough jobs, a private research group said today.<br><br>The New York-based Conference Board said that its Consumer Confidence Index rose to 112.5, up from a revised 110.2 in January. Analysts had expected the reading to be 109.<br><br>The February index was the highest since August 2001, when the reading was 114, indicating that consumers will continue to fuel the nation's economic growth in the near future.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><SMALL>--<br>Certainty of death. Small chance of success. What are we waiting for? - Gimli</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/392942"><b>tacoma</b></A> : The down closed down 546.02, 4.3%.  'Massive' sell off would be overstating.<br><br>Think globally!<br><br>Wall Street succumbed to a global market plunge sparked by growing concerns that the U.S. and Chinese economies are cooling and that equities prices have become overinflated.<br><br>The housing market isn't much news, as there were tons of warnings over the past few years that this would happen.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:16:52 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/673761"><b>dogma</b></A> :  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>said by <A HREF="http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2007-02-27-existing-jan_x.htm?csp=34">USA TODAY</A> :</SMALL><HR>WASHINGTON (AP) &#151; Mortgage finance company Freddie Mac (FRE) will no longer buy subprime mortgages that have a "high likelihood" of payment shock and foreclosure, a surprise move that came amid a deteriorating market for subprime loans affected by slumping home prices and rising interest rates, the company announced Tuesday.<br><br>The median price of an existing home sold in January dropped to $210,600, a decline of 3.1% from a year ago. It marked the sixth straight month that the median price has been down compared with a year ago. The January decline was the third-biggest drop in history.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>The end of subprime lending is at hand, coupled with the third biggest drop in home prices for the Month of January in HISTORY.<br><br>Since "subprime"  (under a 660 FICO I think) <B>has been</B> the market, the driving component that has pushed home values past reality over the past 10 years.  And considering 70% or so of potential home buyers fall into the subprime category, this move effectively locks them out of the market. Add the increasing mortgage default rates rose 67% and bankruptcies rose 9.6% during Q4 2006.  (BTW, BK's are pretty much irrelevant nowadays due to the BK laws being rewritten by the "BigLending" cartels)<br><br>In a Filing footnote, I find: Freddie Mac renegotiates the terms of the loan with someone who is delinquent, then, voila, that person is no longer delinquent. It seems to me that since about June of 2006, Freddie Mac is struggling to keep this Ponzi scheme afloat...at least until today.  So we may see foreclosures quadruple month over month by years end.<br><br> It is pretty clear we are looking at a 40% value drop in home value over the next 2-4 years, IMO.  And moreover, as was mentioned yesterday by <A HREF="http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2007/02/greenspan_reces.html">Alan Greenspan</A>, a major economic recession is headed our way by years end...which may have helped precipitate the massive DOW/S&P 500 sell off today.<br><br>What do you think?]]></description>
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