 The MonkeyI like bananasPremium join:2000-10-08 New York, NY | protect us from ourselves! Time for a Constitutional Amendment banning the internets.  -- The Monkey |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | said by The Monkey:Time for a Constitutional Amendment banning the internets.  A group educates parents that their children's gaming console can be used to download pornography. This allows parents to take the appropriate steps they they deem necessary. This is good. Lots of people try to pass laws to ban things. Instead this group is engaging in public awareness so parents can resolve the issue themselves. So now you are accusing them of doing exactly what they aren't doing. This would be like a news article, "MAD advises children of dangers of driving while intoxicated." Response from The Monkey , "Time for a Constitutional Amendment banning cars. " -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
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 | Maxo, the problem here is that GENERALLY the religious groups don't leave it at just "informing". I agree if this is only left at letting parents know they need to be cautious as their children will potentially have access to pron. But then again they shouldn't have to be "informed" if they are taking an active parenting role in their child's life.
What happens more often than not, they take radical steps to "correct" what they see as wrong.
It's the same thing I saw happen so many times with petition's being passed around the church to pull Howard Stern off the air when he was on "Free FM". No matter if you like him or not, you have the choice to change the channel. Instead they would like to have those things that they don't agree with banned and not have to actively participate in their child's welfare. |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | said by stickfigure:Maxo, the problem here is that GENERALLY the religious groups don't leave it at just "informing". I agree if this is only left at letting parents know they need to be cautious as their children will potentially have access to pron. But then again they shouldn't have to be "informed" if they are taking an active parenting role in their child's life. What happens more often than not, they take radical steps to "correct" what they see as wrong. It's the same thing I saw happen so many times with petition's being passed around the church to pull Howard Stern off the air when he was on "Free FM". No matter if you like him or not, you have the choice to change the channel. Instead they would like to have those things that they don't agree with banned and not have to actively participate in their child's welfare. The problem here is that this organization does not appear to be doing that, but people are criticizing them as if they were doing that. Just because some (most if you prefer) Christian organizations take it too far, that's not a green light to rag on those who don't. It creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. We want Christian organizations to use community action and personal responsibility to achieve it's means instead of legal action. When Christian organizations do what we would prefer them to do we criticize them anyway. What does this accomplish. It teaches them they lose no matter what so why should they even try? -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
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 The MonkeyI like bananasPremium join:2000-10-08 New York, NY | said by Maxo:Just because some (most if you prefer) Christian organizations take it too far, that's not a green light to rag on those who don't. It creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. We want Christian organizations to use community action and personal responsibility to achieve it's means instead of legal action. When Christian organizations do what we would prefer them to do we criticize them anyway. Fair points. And you're right, the blog post is innocuous on its surface. But if this organization is receiving federal funds, then it changes this analysis completely. And of course, it appears that the parent group goes out of its way to obscure what, if any, federal sources of funding it has. -- The Monkey |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | said by The Monkey:said by Maxo:Just because some (most if you prefer) Christian organizations take it too far, that's not a green light to rag on those who don't. It creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. We want Christian organizations to use community action and personal responsibility to achieve it's means instead of legal action. When Christian organizations do what we would prefer them to do we criticize them anyway. Fair points. And you're right, the blog post is innocuous on its surface. But if this organization is receiving federal funds, then it changes this analysis completely. And of course, it appears that the parent group goes out of its way to obscure what, if any, federal sources of funding it has. Being unable to read the articles (I am at work, damn websense) does it mention they are receiving federal funding? -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
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 The MonkeyI like bananasPremium join:2000-10-08 New York, NY | said by Maxo:said by The Monkey:said by Maxo:Just because some (most if you prefer) Christian organizations take it too far, that's not a green light to rag on those who don't. It creates a damned if you do, damned if you don't situations. We want Christian organizations to use community action and personal responsibility to achieve it's means instead of legal action. When Christian organizations do what we would prefer them to do we criticize them anyway. Fair points. And you're right, the blog post is innocuous on its surface. But if this organization is receiving federal funds, then it changes this analysis completely. And of course, it appears that the parent group goes out of its way to obscure what, if any, federal sources of funding it has. Being unable to read the articles (I am at work, damn websense) does it mention they are receiving federal funding? No it doesn't. And most groups I know of do not readily disclose such information. Unfortunately, there is no easily-available list of the religious groups that receive federal funding. -- The Monkey |
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 MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP join:2002-11-04 Tallahassee, FL | I think it then depends on, assuming they are receiving tax dollars, if the money is being spent on this public awareness announcement (if that's what one wants to call it.) Usually when an organization receives tax money it has to document exactly what that is used for. For example, my wife teaches ESE, a federally funded project. This money was used to purchase a handful of PDAs. Administration decided the PDAs would be put to better use by them. It actually was true that they had more use for them than ESE. Because it was purchased using federal money specifically for ESE the administration was not allowed to use them. So, if this group does receive federal money they have to document exactly what they use it for. If that money was used for this they would have to document it. If this money was spent inappropriately they would be in trouble. And, even if that was the case, and they were getting away with it, there's no reason to even speculate on that possibility as we have no evidence they are getting the money, and we have no evidence they are abusing they money they may or may not be getting. -- "Padre, nobody said war was fun now bowl!" - Sherman T Potter
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | reply to The Monkey said by The Monkey:No it doesn't. And most groups I know of do not readily disclose such information. Unfortunately, there is no easily-available list of the religious groups that receive federal funding. Um, the Boys Scouts do. And they are a religious, brainwashing cult
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 nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium join:2002-10-04 Alexandria, VA | reply to stickfigure said by stickfigure:It's the same thing I saw happen so many times with petition's being passed around the church to pull Howard Stern off the air when he was on "Free FM". No matter if you like him or not, you have the choice to change the channel. Instead they would like to have those things that they don't agree with banned and not have to actively participate in their child's welfare. Unfortunately, that's because many have confused resisting temptation with removing temptation. 
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 1 edit | reply to Maxo Like I said, IF this is left at the stage of informing parents (and that alone) that they need to activate the parental controls, I have no problem with what they are doing.
But, as I'm reading these posts here, I think a lot of people are very wary of any religious groups bringing up issues such as this since the majority of the time it's more extreme than just "informing".
And as many other's have said here, why is Nintendo getting singled out for internet access when other consoles give the same access to the internet? If they are actually out to inform, my thought is they should be making this a general statement to ALL consoles that allow internet access. Hell my old Sega Dreamcast had a built in browser and modem to access the internet and I never saw issues like this with that console. |
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 CheesePremium join:2003-10-26 Naples, FL kudos:1 | reply to hopeflicker said by hopeflicker:said by The Monkey:No it doesn't. And most groups I know of do not readily disclose such information. Unfortunately, there is no easily-available list of the religious groups that receive federal funding. Um, the Boys Scouts do. And they are a religious, brainwashing cult This irks me!!! So, what cult might the boy scouts be breeding? I didn't grow up being a religious cult boy from them  |
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 hopeflickerCapitalism breeds greedPremium join:2003-04-03 Long Beach, CA kudos:1 | It's not the boy scouts that are cults, it's the religious organization that started it. -- Fossils, Not Gospels. |
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 1 edit | said by hopeflicker:It's not the boy scouts that are cults, it's the religious organization that started it. The Boyscouts were founded by an individual in England, not a religion.  |
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