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| More Religious BS Why cant these groups be lead by Jim Jones? Religious fanatics need to be treated as a mentally ill. I'd like to know how this pack of assholes determined that the Wii is a "porn gateway". Do they even have one? I think probably not. I showed some friends the browser on the Wii over the weekend. They laughed at how difficult it is to use and hard to read. Maybe the Christian Coalition should focus more on teaching people how to be good parents instead of worrying about a phantom porn problem that doesnt exist. | |
|  | | Re: More Religious BS Did you read the page?
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| | | Yet another reactionary that didn't even check the website out. Must be fun bashing church groups who simply want to let parents know about the Wii's parental controls. | |
|  MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Tallahassee, FL | said by ender7074:Maybe the Christian Coalition should focus more on teaching people how to be good parents instead of worrying about a phantom porn problem that doesnt exist. This is exactly what they are doing. They are educating parents about the possibility of their child using the Wii to download pornography. This arms the parents with the knowledge to whatever it is they intend to do about it. This may mean they do nothing, this may mean they won't buy the Wii, or it may be that they just now know to be on the look out. I don't see how making parents aware of the possibility of getting porn on the Wii makes them assholes.
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1 edit | Re: More Religious BS said by Maxo:the possibility of their child using the Wii to download pornography They talk about it as if it was a bad thing... lol christians | |
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: More Religious BS said by Gogo1:said by Maxo:the possibility of their child using the Wii to download pornography They talk about it as if it was a bad thing... lol christians lol morals. | |
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Brooklyn, NY | Re: More Religious BS I should have *your* morals? | |
| | | | | MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: More Religious BS said by Gogo1:I should have *your* morals? If you want them you can have them. They work good for me.
If I wish to publicly discuss them, and share my opinions about such things publicly with people who want to listen, I don't see why I should be criticized for that. | |
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| Re: More Religious BS You can share your morals all you want but dont be suprised when not everyone agrees with you. Personally, I'm not a fan of porn but if that floats your boat then who am I to impose my opinions on you? Theres a difference between keeping true to your morals and browbeating or criticizing everyone else who doesnt see eye to eye with you. | |
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| It makes them assholes for the fear-mongering they are doing. Everything is EVIL!!! The DEVIL is in the Wii because there is an off chance that someone may see some pornography. There's a chance of that every time you surf the web. For groups like this to come out and say that the Wii is a "porn gateway" is absolutely idiotic. Parents are not going to read the article, they are going to see "porn gateway" and that's it. They are also going to see asinine articles like "The Wii's Dirty Little Secret". There is no secret there. It has web access. So do computers, cell phones, many hand held game systems, cable boxes, cash registers, ect... I don't see the smear campaign against most of those, only against the evil video games. People like this are pure idiots. They are taking their own religious fears and values and attaching them to everyone else and even to an inanimate object. They are looking for something else to blame when things go wrong. There is nothing wrong with the Wii. There is no hidden porn monster around every corner. | |
| | | MaxoYour tax dollars at work.Premium,VIP
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Tallahassee, FL | Re: More Religious BS You are lumping all Christian groups together and using that to blame this specific group.
Can you provide links of this specific group doing any of the things you have mentioned?
I know some people who happen to be black that act in disgraceful ways. Should I lump all blacks together and say they all do this or that? No. We have to take everyone based on their own personal merits, not on preconceived notions of who you think they might be.
In this case we don't have an example of this group doing anything wrong except making parents aware of a possible situation they otherwise would have probably never considered.
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| Re: More Religious BS I'm not lumping all religious groups together here, just the ones that spout FUD and other stupidity about subjects in which they know nothing. I have no problem with Christanity or 95% of the people that practice it. This is not a theological discussion. They are free to believe as they wish but they are not free to spread rumors, FUD, and basically attack something they know nothing about. If they were to actually USE the browser on the Wii, they would see that this is basically a nonissue. Now, this one group may be giving the impression that they are "trying to help" but they are still pushing the idea that the Wii is some porn machine. | |
| | | | | | | Re: More Religious BS said by ender7074:Now, this one group may be giving the impression that they are "trying to help" but they are still pushing the idea that the Wii is some porn machine. READ THEIR WEBSITE. If you did and that's what you got from it then you are really reaching at straws here. | |
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| Re: More Religious BS I have READ THE WEBSITE. Its not grasping at straws. They parallel the Wii and porn. They obviously think that this is some type of evil that parents need to be made very aware of. It's really too bad that these people have to try and trash the first truly fun gaming experiences that families can have... OMFGWTFBBQ theres bad things on the intrawebs!! Not a new problem. | |
| | | | | | | | | Re: More Religious BS What they are doing is seeing a capability of the Wii and recognize the potential problem with the web browser. Then they mention that potential problem can be rectified. This is a far cry from being the same as the previous reactionary article that likened the Wii as evil by association. After all the title of the site even insinuates this is a minor issue.
Keep in mind parents want to shelter their children from stuff that might harm them or warp them at too young an age. That's not just religious parents. This little group decided to take a more informative role instead of condemning the Wii. As a matter of fact the way the article is written it sounds like they give Nintendo kudos for being proactive. | |
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| Re: More Religious BS I think the religious aspect of the whole argument is being blown out of proportion here (I know, I'm not helping with my original post  ) I'm not blaming religious groups by themselves at all. In fact, its just a handful that are causing problems. Its a larger group of different originizations, some religious but most not, that are actively smearing not only the Wii but games in general. Why didn't this group say you can see violence, or you can see evolution, or anything else. No its all the evil porn monster. That associates a disgusting industry with a game system DESIGNED for families and kids. Many people that never play games absolutely love the Wii. Now those same people may heistate to let their children and grandchildren play the thing because they will associate Wii = Porn. This is not a religion problem, its an attack on the games industry problem that some religious groups happen to be taking part in. | |
| | | | | | | | | | | Re: More Religious BS said by ender7074:Why didn't this group say you can see violence, or you can see evolution, or anything else. No its all the evil porn monster. Maybe they made the site in response to all the negative hype that was floating around by that bad article and other fundies. Those were the ones who specifically targeted the porn angle since it's a hot topic with the "moral majority." This group is possibly doing this to calm the parents fears that were brought up due to the previous muck raking.
Remember they in no way bad mouth the Wii on that link, but address the fears previously brought in an objective and productive manner. | |
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| | I'm just guessing here, but I'll venture to say that you DRTFA. Not only did you not read the article, but I'm going to guess that you didn't even read Karl's summary.
(They) discus the Wii (and its parental controls) with some degree of accuracy, unlike previous more inflammatory reports.
OMG, a reasonable and accurate discussion. Tehy are teh fanaticals! | |
|  nixenRockin' the BoxenPremium
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Alexandria, VA | said by ender7074:Why cant these groups be lead by Jim Jones? Wow. That's rather mature of you. Wishing death on people. Kudos.
said by ender7074:Religious fanatics need to be treated as a mentally ill. And why is it, the moment that someone mentions that a group has a religious association, they are automatically deemed "mentally ill" and religious "fanatics". That's a mighty knee-jerk approach you have to the world. Given you're previous statement wishing death on people of faith, one might even classify it as, at best, fanatically anti-religious. It might even be considered sociopathic (a mental illness, by the way).
Just a thought.
said by ender7074:I'd like to know how this pack of assholes "Pack of assholes"... Again: very mature.
said by ender7074:determined that the Wii is a "porn gateway". gateway: something that serves as an entrance or a means of access Given that the Wii provides access to the Internet and the Internet contains porn (a lot of porn), this isn't exactly a mischaracterization.
said by ender7074:Do they even have one? I think probably not. Based on...?
said by ender7074:I showed some friends the browser on the Wii over the weekend. They laughed at how difficult it is to use and hard to read. Here's some simple math that even you should be able to grasp:
difficult != impossible Besides: just because it was difficult for you to figure out doesn't mean someone with more of a clue couldn't figure it out more easily.
said by ender7074:Maybe the Christian Coalition should focus more on teaching people how to be good parents instead of worrying about a phantom porn problem that doesnt exist. Given what was posted and the page itself, that's pretty much what the group in question is trying to do. Specifically, they want to make parents aware that the Wii could be used to access inappropriate materials. Therefore, if they want to keep their kids away from such materials, they should be aware of the availability and how to use the device's parental controls.
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| | | | Re: More Religious BS I have to agree with ender. The PROBLEM is that the news station is trying to sensationalize nothing. Hell, everything with a browser can be used to view porn. My CELL PHONE can be used to view porn. Should we warn parents about the danger of their kids viewing porn on a cell phone? How about a PSP, which also has a browser, that can be used to view porn? Why aren't their big labels on those to warn parents about the dangers of porn?
Complaining that the Wii lacks a 'cyber-nanny' is fear mongering of the worst sort. And the fear mongering is supported by the right wing religious whackos. If a group IS associated with the 'christian right', then by all means, the news organization should take what they say with a grain of salt.
Remember, 90% of the world is NOT CHRISTIAN. And of the christians, only about 10% are the whack jobs who worry about porn on the Wii. The news story does an injustice for all who recognize the reality of the internet.
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1 edit | Re: More Religious BS you keep posting your opinion. | |
| | | | | said by karlmarx:I have to agree with ender. The PROBLEM is that the news station is trying to sensationalize nothing. Yes. The news station did indeed sensationalize nothing. However THIS article is about a Christian group who just put up a website that mentions the Wii can access the Internet (including porn) and points out that the Wii has parental controls to help curb that. Two totally different things. Ender's comments belong to a different thread... i.e. »The Wii: A Bastion Of Smut. Not this one. | |
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1 edit | Re: More Religious BS Yes. The news station did indeed sensationalize nothing. However THIS article is about a Christian group who just put up a website that mentions the Wii can access the Internet (including porn) and points out that the Wii has parental controls to help curb that. Two totally different things. Ender's comments belong to a different thread... i.e. » The Wii: A Bastion Of Smut. Not this one.
Edit: needed to fix the quote thingy. Looks right now. | |
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New York, NY | said by karlmarx:Remember, 90% of the world is NOT CHRISTIAN. Er, where did you get that statistic? Last I checked, roughly 33% of the world IS Christian.
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Alexandria, VA | said by karlmarx:Remember, 90% of the world is NOT CHRISTIAN. And of the christians, only about 10% are the whack jobs who worry about porn on the Wii. The news story does an injustice for all who recognize the reality of the internet. You know, if you're going to post up numbers, you might want to include a source. If you Google around, you'll find that, at least as of 2000, Christians made up a little over 33% of those signifying a religious association (Muslims comprising a little less than 20%, Hindus comprising a little more than 13%, Buddhists a little less than 6%, and other religions and belief systems (including Judaism) making up the balance.
Got these numbers from bible.ca, but I cannot verify their veracity. However, if they are accurate, they belie your "90% of the world is NOT CHRISTIAN" pronouncement. The difference between 90% and 67% is a huge discrepancy that makes the rest of your post look as made up as your statistics.
All that aside, the world religious breakdown is rather irrelevant. This is a US-based group seeking to inform US-based consumers. I can assure you that the US has a significantly greater than either 10% or 33% Christian affiliation.
Lastly, one needn't be a "whack job" Christian (or even religious) to worry about their kids viewing porn via their Wii. I gotta think that any responsible parent might have objections to having to explain "why is that man peeing on that red vinyl-clad woman while the other guy has his fist in her butt".
-tom
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| Re: More Religious BS said by nixen:said by karlmarx:Lastly, one needn't be a "whack job" Christian (or even religious) to worry about their kids viewing porn via their Wii. I gotta think that any responsible parent might have objections to having to explain "why is that man peeing on that red vinyl-clad woman while the other guy has his fist in her butt". -tom Which begs the question why are parents not moitoring what their kids are doing? And dont give me that parents cant watch their kids all the time crap either. When I was younger and online my parents had me use the computer in the living room so they could see what I was doing. Why does Nintendo have to be smeared because someone is too lazy to monitor their children? My parents, years ago, managed to take the 5 minutes to read the book on the satelite receiver to lock out the channels they didnt want me on. Why, now, does someone have to wave the PORNO flag? If the parents aren't aware that there are parental controls on the system, then they didnt take the time necessary to be a parent. Another thing, if someone has the cash to buy the system, then they probably are old enough to determine whether parental controls are necessary or not. I dont know too many kids running around with hundreds of dollars to blow. Again, it comes back to the parents taking the time to be a parent and not relying on misinformation to goad them into action. | |
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Alexandria, VA | Re: More Religious BS said by ender7074:Which begs the question why are parents not moitoring what their kids are doing? And dont give me that parents cant watch their kids all the time crap either. When I was younger and online my parents had me use the computer in the living room so they could see what I was doing. Why does Nintendo have to be smeared because someone is too lazy to monitor their children? My parents, years ago, managed to take the 5 minutes to read the book on the satelite receiver to lock out the channels they didnt want me on. Why, now, does someone have to wave the PORNO flag? If the parents aren't aware that there are parental controls on the system, then they didnt take the time necessary to be a parent. Another thing, if someone has the cash to buy the system, then they probably are old enough to determine whether parental controls are necessary or not. I dont know too many kids running around with hundreds of dollars to blow. Again, it comes back to the parents taking the time to be a parent and not relying on misinformation to goad them into action. Not excusing parental responsibility - just taking issue with the slandering of people because of their religious choices.
As to the Wii vs. Computers, I think you over-simplify. In the past, Nintendo has tried to portray themselves game console for kids (all those annoying Mario and Kong games come to mind). Parents could have chosen to let the device into the house based on this history, not fully realizing the opportunities that the networkability of the Wii provides. By saying, "hey, pay attention to this," the group in question tries to disabuse those parents of this "safe" assumption.
Frankly, I don't find anything wrong with that. Even if I were in the position to be concerned, I wouldn't mind that extra data point. I'm not sure why you do, other than some grudge you hold. Whatever: that's your problem. If the group in question ever decides, "hey, we gotta try to ban this thing because it's anti-Christian," then, yeah, you've got a legitimate beef (in fact, most reasonable people would have a legitimate beef).
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| Re: More Religious BS You seem to think I have this hatred of religion. Well, your wrong. I spent 3 years as a theology minor and what some people do in the name of "religion" makes me want to puke. I could care less what a person's religious affiliation is but when they start attacking games, I take issue. Religious organizations (and just a hand full at that) are only one of the groups attacking the Wii and the games industry in general. They are making it a point to associate the Wii with porn and, on a larger stage, that all gamers are degenerate, violent sociopaths that go into schools with guns or burn down buildings. Where are the warnings that the PS3 is a porn gateway or on the side of a PC box? Haven't seen one of those yet. I also don't think its oversimplifying to compare surfing on a computer to surfing on a Wii. How is it different? The web is the web. The Wii is just as safe as the parents want it to be, just like a PC, or cell phone, or anything else with a web browser on it. | |
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| | | | said by karlmarx:Remember, 90% of the world is NOT CHRISTIAN. And of the christians, only about 10% are the whack jobs who worry about porn on the Wii. Based on what???
Okay... so world population is roughly 6 Billion and based on your math about 600 Million are Christians. Of that 600 Million, 10% or 60 Million are Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii. Wow... I didn't know there were 60 Million Christian "whack jobs" who cared about porn on the Wii; who knew??? And since the U.S. makes up roughly 5.5% of the world's population that would mean there are 3.3 Million Christian "whacks jobs" in the U.S. who worry about porn on the Wii.
[sarcasm]However, since we all know that most of the Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii live in the U.S., maybe it's more like 40 Million Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii in the U.S. Hell, if that's the case, you better not piss off those 40 Million Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii. Because, we all know those 40 Million Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii are going to vote like zombies for the Republicans. Then, consider that 122 Million people voted in the 2004 Presidential election... and those 40 Million Christian "whack jobs" who worry about porn on the Wii make up one FREAKISHLY HUGE voting block.[/sarcasm]
More seriously...
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re···ulations seems to put the number of "Christians" in the world at over 2 Billion. That's roughly 1/3 the world's population.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiani···_country seems to put the number of "Christians" in the U.S. at 236 Million or around 80% of the population.
Granted, we can argue all day long about what exactly defines a Christian and who measures up to those definitions... but that would be a futile debate. That said... claiming 90% of the world is not Christian is hogwash. If you want to throw around meaningless numbers... do it somewhere else please. | |
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