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Re: ... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17916264 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:57:48 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:57:48 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17920399 Kearnstd : best way to tackle the DMCA isnt head on but weasel exceptions to it and fair use clauses into things like bills that get more cops on the streets. people love to have more cops in bad areas so ya slip your DMCA killer into that an weasel it through.
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[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17920399 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:07:44 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17919696 Doctor Four : It's just my cynicism of the entire political process showing.
I think the other side likely has a lot more money to throw
around.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17919696 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:20:32 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918775 AB :

said by Doctor Four

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His previous bill, the DMCRA, failed after heavy
opposition from the big media lobby, because there
were fair use provisions in it that allowed users to
bypass the DMCA.

Even though this bill is lacking those provisions, IMO it
still has little or no chance of success.

This thing hardly encompasses sweeping changes, and the mere fact that it would go to a vote certainly gives it at least a "chance" of success.

I always remember what Jim Valvano said before his N.C. State basketball team beat the "unbeatable" Houston Cougars in the 1982 (or '83?) championship game, when reporters were asking him what it felt like to "not stand a chance" in the game--

"No chance?? There's only two teams on the floor in this game, and we're one of them-- so we GOTTA have a "CHANCE!"" ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918775 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 17:48:38 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918424 cdru : The idealist in me says it will because it makes sense.

The realist in me says it won't because it makes sense.
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Go Colts]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918424 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:46:47 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918092 Doctor Four : His previous bill, the DMCRA, failed after heavy
opposition from the big media lobby, because there
were fair use provisions in it that allowed users to
bypass the DMCA.

Even though this bill is lacking those provisions, IMO it
still has little or no chance of success.
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"The trouble with computers, of course, is that they are very sophisticated idiots." - Doctor Who (from Robot)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17918092 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:46:03 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17917757 Morac :

said by RyanPatton

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You think Democratic that controlled the House/Senate will say NO on the bill or will they approved it?

Actually while Republicans are business friendly, Democrats are Hollywood friendly (Gore even won an Oscar). I'm willing to say neither votes for this bill.
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»action.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=271 to email your Rep if you are in favor of it (I also c&p'd their letter into a FAX, which I then sent to my Reps' Wash. and Charlotte offices.

Isn't anything to stem the tide better than nothing? Especially when it's been made so easy-to-do? Pete]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17917569 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:17:51 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916655 juniorx : This wont pass. If it does, the judge should mark a big LOL on the draft]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916655 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:31:50 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916643 pnh102 :

said by BF69

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]Dems don't have a 2/3 majority to override a veto by Bush though

You assume that all of members of the House and Senate in the Democrat party will vote for this bill. Don't forget that it was a Democrat president, Bill Clinton, who signed this POS into law, and one of its major sponsors was a former Democrat Senator from South Carolina, Fritz "Disney" Hollings.

That being said, it would be nice to see some of the provisions of the DMCA rolled back.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916643 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:28:18 EDT New Fair USE Act doesn't deliver much ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916444 TKJunkMail : ...according to Ars Technica article:
»arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···934.html

But can the FAIR USE Act deliver? A cursory investigation suggests that the bill won't make much of a dent in the DMCA. In its present form, the FAIR USE Act is effectively a watered-down version of Boucher's DMCRA...

The DMCRA would have made any "fair use" of digital goods legal, regardless of anti-circumvention laws. The FAIR USE Act does not provide this, as it was a major sticking point with the content industry.

If passed, the FAIR USE Act will amend the DMCA to codify recent exceptions granted to the anti-circumvention rules by the Register of Copyrights, which include some allowances for obsolete technologies and cell phone unlocking.

Yet again, the bill does not appear to deliver on what most observers want: clear protection for making personal use copies of encrypted materials. There is no allowance for consumers to make backups of DVDs, to strip encryption from music purchased online so that it can be played anywhere, or to generally do any of the things that the DMCA made illegal in one fell swoop.

The bill does seek to place limits on statutory damages stemming from infringement, including contributory infringement, inducement of infringement, vicarious liability or other indirect infringement. In doing so, the bill will seek to codify the law regarding inducement and contributory infringement to ease fears among technology companies stemming from the fallout of MGM v Grokster.

Basically, their take is the bill is designed to protect companies making player hardware and no one else. There is nothing in there for end users.
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said by RyanPatton

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You think Democratic that controlled the House/Senate will say NO on the bill or will they approved it?

Dems don't have a 2/3 majority to override a veto by Bush though]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916334 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:31:08 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916286 RyanPatton : You never know Camelot One, they might pass it. I sure agreed with Democrat saying and he truly got his point across about unfairness and abuse that RIAA are doing.

You think Democratic that controlled the House/Senate will say NO on the bill or will they approved it?

If they approved the bill. How will you feel? That's the 1st step in the right direction to discredit the abusing power RIAA been using lately against innocent people randomly.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916286 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:23:59 EDT Re: ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17916264 rawwhide :

said by Camelot One

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Hmm....being able to use a product you've paid for how you like.....Nah, it'll never pass. :(

I agree. It makes to much sense and is to smart to actually pass. :D
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