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RickNY
Premium
join:2000-11-02
New York

reply to WoodyLI
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by WoodyLI See Profile :

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited.
The OOL terms of service have NEVER prohibited the use of a router. The only mention of this in the TOS (and still is there exactly as it was when the service first launched) is the section that states Cablevision is not responsible for "Any Subscriber who, 1. chooses to participate in the Optimum Online Service using other than a single, stand-alone Computer connected to the local segment, if and when this capability is offered"

Stop making blatant lies because it may seem convenient for your cause. Again, this was NEVER prohibited -- if it was ever stated, there would never have been any issue on how to answer the question when people came here asking if it was allowed.

reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

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reply to reccakun
Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.


jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.


Ken Peterson
Premium
join:2000-12-08

reply to reccakun
said by reccakun See Profile :

Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.
Once you are up and running and wish to play around with any of the third-party firmwwares (beware, improper installation can turn your router into a brick), check out:

»www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
and
»www.thibor.co.uk/

DD-WRT has more options, but Thibor looks and feels more like the stock firmware on steroids.


Imaman

join:2002-10-15
Woodbridge, CT
The linksys has a $10 rebate this month


StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

reply to WoodyLI
Hi WoodyLI See Profile,

That's kind of odd, as they have a promotion going for several years where they'll send you a freebie router. Anyhow, it's news to me. I've been on the network for just under 4 years and during the time I've had it, routers were never prohibited, but rather actually encouraged and shipped as freebies to many folks, myself included.

When troubleshooting of course you might be asked to disconnect your router and connect straight, but there was never anything in my TOS/AUP and I read them with a fine toothed comb, as I wasn't a happy camper with the capping and all and wanted to know what else was prohibited.

I remember reading the TOS very carefully and really don't remember anything about routers. Even the word "router" was never used in the TOS (and still isn't.) At or around that time I remember asking an OOL tech if it was alright to run ICS and he said sure and recommended I invest in a consumer router for sharing PCs. This was a few years back as the hot SoHo routers those days were the Linksys BEFSR series and the Netgear rebranded Zyxel Prestige's.

With BOOST, I use a Cisco 851. Someone on the forum uses it's bigger cousin the 871. They work well but are more expensive than the usual consumer routers.

Lastly, at least for the last two years if not longer, OOL has been running a promotion for new customers where they'll send you a Netgear WGR614 or an MP3 Player and charge you $29.99 for the first six months

I received my freebie Netgear WGR614_v6 router prior to the 15/2 bump-up in speed on regular OOL, so it served me well for about a year. When OOL bumped everyone up to 15/2, the router became a bottleneck (and maxed out at around 12mbps running wired/firewalls off.)

Why would a company prohibit something on one hand and turn around to offer it as a freebie in another. That's simply silly, and is not the case as far as I can remember.

Snapped 2007-03-02 19:43:32

»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp


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Regards,
Dave

PS Regarding the Netgear WGR614_v6, the promo is actually still there after all this time (they extend it at the end of each month as far as I can see.) : »www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp - Have your pick of a Lexmark Printer or a Netgear router. It used to be an MP3 player or a router. There was also an offer for six months of OOL $23.99 with a free router to entice current AOL users. So this comes as rather strange indeed.


jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage


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reply to reccakun
I think Woody has a different OOL than the rest of us.

His OOL:
- Prohibited routers, while distributing them
- Caps boost
- Keeps cap if you upgrade to boost

He is the only one with those experiences, that are contrary to everyone elses.
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
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·Verizon Online DSL

reply to jaa
said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?

sillydoh

join:2003-05-31
Brooklyn, NY

reply to reccakun
said by reccakun See Profile :

Hi, all. I just order OOL Boost today and the download speed with excellent around 28-29Mbits if its directly connected to my computer. Once I hook it up to a router, the download speed dramatically decreases to around 14-15Mbits. I have tried it with 2 different branded routers but didn't help. Is the boost only works when directly connected from Modem to router? Or did I done something wrong? Any help will be appreciated.
The two routers you tried likely don't have enough horsepower to handle Boost speeds. I just switched to a Buffalo router (from a D-Link 524) and now I'm seeing Boost speeds.


jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage

reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
Verizon FIOS.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.

reccakun

join:2006-03-16
Brooklyn, NY

reply to reccakun
Yes. The D-Link DI 524 is underpowered. I bought the Linksys BEFSR41 from bestbuy and it worked. They don't have the LINKSYS WRT54GL that you guys mentioned and I don't need wireless, so I got the BEFSR41 instead at $40 .


StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
·Verizon Online DSL

reply to batterup
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route

said by batterup See Profile :

said by jaa See Profile :

said by batterup See Profile :

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
LOL.

Should we rattle off a list of all the world's providers which offer speeds in excess of what a cheap, low memory, low horsepower consumer router can't handle?

Got about an hour?

Let's take one well known example and not look too hard.

Everyone has heard of the Swedish ISP, Bredbands Bolaget or BBB as commonly abbreviated.

Due to Sweden's highly pro-active broadband policy, they are able to offer 100/10mbit connections for 229 Swedish Kronen monthly [That's $32.41 at current exchange rates] . They also offering ADSL 2+ and VDSL service at speeds of 20 and 24mbit 2 and 3 mbit upstream respectively.

Let's see what the world famous BBB has to say about routers:


said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Accurate Translation) :
"Your computer & router:

Your computer and possible router influences largely the experience of yours Internet connection. A fast connection requires that your computer quickly handle the traffic that is sent and received. Older computers and operating systems can thereby offer a slow broadband experience, or not function at all. The use of a router can cause the same problem. Both computers and routers can cause bottlenecks.

Troubleshooting should begin with your connection always disconnected from your router and connected to your computer - to bypass your router, i e. connect computer direct to modem / broadband device, and then to reboot the computer.

Another possibility is to try the internet with another computer.

If your connection functions poorly or not at all, perform these steps:

* Disconnect possible router, switch and/or VOIP device. Connect the computer direct to the modem/the broad band levying device with a network cable.

* Check if connection functions without router and/or with new computer. If the connection functions up to speed without router, please refer to yours router support.
"





said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Original Text) :
Din dator & router:

Din dator och eventuell router påverkar i hög grad upplevelsen av din Internetuppkoppling. En snabb uppkoppling kräver att din dator snabbt kan hantera den trafik som skickas och tas emot. Äldre datorer och operativsystem kan därmed göra att bredbandet upplevs långsamt eller inte fungera alls. Användning av routrar kan orsaka samma problem. Både datorer och routrar kan låsa sig. Har du problem med din uppkoppling starta därför alltid om din router och därefter din dator. Hjälper inte detta ska du alltid koppla förbi din router, dvs. ansluta dator direkt till modem/bredbandsuttag, och därefter starta om datorn. Har du möjlighet, prova alltid med en annan dator. Skulle det fortfarande inte fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet troligtvis i själva uppkopplingen. Skulle det däremot fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet i din vanliga dator och inte i själva uppkopplingen.

Om din uppkoppling skulle fungerar dåligt eller inte alls, gör detta:

* Koppla bort eventuell router, switch och/eller telefondosa. Anslut datorn direkt till modemet/bredbandsuttaget med en nätverkskabel.
* Kontrollera om uppkoppling fungerar utan router och/eller med ny dator. Fungerar uppkopplingen utan routern, vänd dig till din routersupport. Fungerar uppkopplingen med annan dator, vänd dig till din datorsupport.




Look up any other ISP in the world which offers >15mbit connections in the world and I bet they have something very similar in their support literature.

jaa See Profile was quite correct. FIOS is limited by a cheap router - why do you think Verizon gives you an Actiontech built to their specifications? And why is it that the DLINK given out prior to the Actiontech had custom firmware which was "tweaked" (and perhaps extra ram/cpu enhancements) for FIOS speeds.

Perhaps Verizon's "free router" is motivated less by benevolence and more by having a standard device among the entire customer base which is known to keep up with the speeds and the techs can be trained to support. It's far easier to offer support for one router model than for every router make and model that a person might call in with.

What are you going to pick on next? The ethernet cable packaged with the modems?



--
Regards,
David


GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

reply to batterup
said by batterup See Profile :

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?
No speed degradation if you have a capable router. Another lie from batterup. As proven by hundreds of posters including the individuals that responded below your lie.

Now can you show me another ISP besides Verizon, that reduces your Internet bandwidth when you watch a HD VOD on your TV service? Why is watching TV now impacting the Internet I'm paying for? Verizon is capping my Internet, deliberately proving me less bandwidth, when I watch TV. Go ahead Ivan, spin away.
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MauroV

join:2007-03-03
Croton On Hudson, NY

reply to reccakun
Hi all....

I am a new user, just dumped DSL and signed up for Boost.

But not too happy with my speed. I am getting downstream of 11.193 Mbps on the wired and 4.1 on the wireless. Since I am using the "approved router, do you have any suggestions?
router model: linksys wrt54GS.

Since I can't find my router manual..any suggestions to help me increase the speed will be great.

My old PC (windows XP) connected via a wire to the router is the fastest machine. My two mac powerbooks (one brand new Intel mac) are the slow machines via wireless.


GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

4.1 would be normal if you are connecting via b (802.11b) wireless. Are you sure you are connecting g?

If you have any security enabled on the wireless, turn it off to see if that is the cause.

I use a WRT54G (minus wireless) and I get 20mb wireless on my 20mb connection and that is with WPA enabled. No difference between the 2.
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MauroV

join:2007-03-03
Croton On Hudson, NY

4.1 is normal? Is less than half than wired...which is 10 or 11...I was expecting to be closer to 30 with Boost. I am afraid that when my boos free one year expires I will be slower than DSL.

Can you help me out on on how to check if I am connecting at G with my wireless on a Mac?


GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

4.1 is normal wireless if you were 802.11b

I don't know Macs to know how to tell at what speed it is connecting.

Pull the router out and direct connect your PC to the cable modem. With your computer on and connected to the modem, turn your computer off and on. That should allow your computer to work on the Internet. What speed do you get when direct connected?
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MauroV

join:2007-03-03
Croton On Hudson, NY

I am set up for mixed, since I don't know if my Macs are G capable. I will test without the router as well, as you suggested. But that will not do me any good, since I am connected wireless most of the times on the laptops around the house.
I will also change my router configuration to G only and check if the macs still connect. But I doubt that will make a difference because the mixed, should connect to a G if the computer card is a G.
Thanks a lot for your help!
I run a computer department, but as you can tell, I am not a network engineer.


GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ

said by MauroV See Profile :

I will also change my router configuration to G only and check if the macs still connect. But I doubt that will make a difference because the mixed, should connect to a G if the computer card is a G.
I don't know about the WRT54GS, but I think on the WRT54G, if one device connects using b, all the speeds will drop down to b speed.

So try the G only - maybe one/both of the Macs is connecting as b?
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