WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
| reply to reccakun
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route
I really don't memorize the TOS for the previous six years since I've had OOL so maybe I'm wrong about that but cablevision was very clear that they provided no tech support with a router hooked up to the modem and you needed to directly connect a computer before they would provide support. In fact, this is a major reason routers today have MAC spoofing so you could fool your cable modem into thinking it's hooked up to the primary account computer.
It's one thing to question my statement as some have but personally I think it's obvious that anyone who actually goes back and researches previous TOS agreements from cablevision simply to counter my post either has absolutely no life or they work for cablevision (directly or indirectly). I'd have more respect for these guys if they simply admitted why they are so hot for a particular ISP. There's only one company that I might lose sleep over taking a public relations slap and that's the company that signs my paycheck.
Obviously all this has changed so the entire argument is irrelevant except for those who have late night fantasies about Dolan or get a paycheck from him (includes all those who appear to take this personally).
I never stated that cablevision capped accounts using routers and I really didn't want to discuss it. I'd prefer to keep this and other threads on topic.
All the talk about losing a little speed with a router isn't necessarily relevant either IMO. It's fun to run speed tests on your ISP but how may web, FTP, torrent, or any other sites actually are going to provide you with a direct speed that even comes close to OOL's advertised speed.
What I mean is....if you are getting 12.0 mbps dl with the router hooked up vs. maybe 20.0 mbps dl without the router, are you even going to notice any speed difference when downloading a large file or a Windows update? I've never tested it but my guess is the results would be the same. Maybe if you hooked up many computers and tried to dl at the same time you might see a difference but for the average home user with maybe three or four PCs a slower router is still sufficient.
Again....for the sake of sane people everywhere, drop the crying everytime someone mentions the word "cap." |
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
| reply to GeekNJ
said by GeekNJ  :I don't know about the WRT54GS, but I think on the WRT54G, if one device connects using b, all the speeds will drop down to b speed. So try the G only - maybe one/both of the Macs is connecting as b? This is a good point....All routers will drop to B speeds if a single B device hooks up to it. This is part of the G spec.
I use two wireless routers at home so that my older B devices can have a dedicated connection and don't slow down my G network.
Wireless connections will see a drop. Advertised speeds of a wireless connection are usually theoretical and typically you will get about half the advertised speed in actual throughput.
I get about double the dl speed using the speedtests in this website when my laptop is connected to my router using ethernet vs. wireless G. Some wireless cards are also faster than others when connected to the same router. Range from the router is also an issue and there are other tweaks that can affect performance.
Again, I don't think you will see a huge difference in online performance with a wireless G to a 100 or 1GB ethernet connection except when running speed tests. |
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GeekNJ
Premium
join:2000-09-23
Waldwick, NJ
| reply to WoodyLI
said by WoodyLI :It's one thing to question my statement as some have but personally I think it's obvious that anyone who actually goes back and researches previous TOS agreements from cablevision simply to counter my post either has absolutely no life or they work for cablevision (directly or indirectly). I'd have more respect for these guys if they simply admitted why they are so hot for a particular ISP. There's only one company that I might lose sleep over taking a public relations slap and that's the company that signs my paycheck. I have no life?  It probably took me less time to look on archive.org and find the oldest TOS then it did for you to type your entire post telling me I have no life.
So now you are accusing folks here of being paid by CV again. No one here I know that posts in this forum works for CV or gets one time for them. I can scan by bills and you can see how much I paid them each month. Do I work for Verizon too because I post in that forum? I can show you my $300+ Verizon bill too.
I think every one of us that you think works for CV has told you why we post and that is because if we didn't inaccurate and misleading information would remain posted without any response and that would hurt consumers coming here for information/support. If you used DSLR as a tool in doing research on an ISP, wouldn't you want the most accurate information available? If it was just kids like batterup posting nonsense without anyone challenging his lies, you'd tend to see it as truth since it wasn't challenged.
It's no different then when you posted information about being on Boost and being capped. You were challenged to provide proof, which because you no longer had the service, you couldn't provide.
No one is looking for your respect. Folks here are looking for accurate information, positive, negative or neutral. Anything else will be challenged, as it should be.
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
1 edit | said by GeekNJ :I have no life? Funny because I wasn't actually talking about you this time but I think the fact that you thought I was says something.  |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Vonage
| reply to WoodyLI
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route
said by WoodyLI :To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service. Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post. I have quoted your entire post, so I hope you don't see this as being "out of context".
Perhapse the OOL you subscribed to had such a statement in their TOS. It has never been in my TOS, or in the TOS of several other people who have replied here.
Again, probably just a case of your OOL being different that everyone elses.
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MauroV
join:2007-03-03
Croton On Hudson, NY | reply to WoodyLI
Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route
I changed channels, and speed improved a lot. I am getting 17.673mbs instead of 4.1. It's also early in the morning, but last night I was getting 12,873. |
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
| said by MauroV :I changed channels, and speed improved a lot. I am getting 17.673mbs instead of 4.1. It's also early in the morning, but last night I was getting 12,873. You mean wireless channels? Yes that can have a large impact. Some cordless phones and other wireless appliances can interfere with the integrity of wireless signals. The channels tend to overlap one another so if you have more than one wireless device in close proximity to each other it's best to have them at least five or six channels apart. Depending on how close you live to your neighbors that might have wireless devices they could be interfering also.
Because of the frequency used, the time of day itself shouldn't have any significant impact on performance. |
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richglen
join:2004-12-19
Fishkill, NY
| reply to sillydoh
Buffalo is the way to go, I had both Linksys and a D-Link, both had speed issues and the Linksys WRT-54G had a problem with VPN's that prior "slower" models did not. The Buffalo (WHR-HP-G54) I purchased many months ago gives me my rated speeds constantly, a few bucks more but much better all around. |
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bohn
join:2006-05-30
Scarborough, ON
| reply to GeekNJ
How about sympatico up in Canada. They limit your download speed to 3 megabits per second on vdsl. Then there's the caps of 30 gigabytes per month combined download plus upload no newsgroups email that never works the tv signal always pixelates you pay a fortune much more than in America. |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs: | reply to reccakun
I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.
quote:
Choose Your Gift
Netgear wireless router.
What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it? |
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jaa
Premium,MVM
join:2000-06-13
·Optimum Online
·Vonage
| said by batterup :I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router. quote:
Choose Your Gift
Netgear wireless router.
What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it? That offer is not available to you.
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WoodyLI
join:2003-04-10
| reply to batterup
said by batterup :I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router. I can't find that deal....All I see is you get the first month free if you upgrade online. I see you get the router for new customers. |
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StreetSpirit
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Roslyn, NY
·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to batterup
said by batterup :I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router. quote:
Choose Your Gift
Netgear wireless router.
What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it? The router I received a little over 1 1/2 years ago was the Netgear WGR614_v6. The router maxes out around 12-13mbit downstream.
It can be used for OOL with minor downstream degradation.
To a regular Jane or Joe, it's better to loose the uppermost 1-2 mbits and have a wireless router without spending weeks trying to figure out what they need and learn a new vocabulary in the process.
For all I know it could be an entirely different model these days which does go all the way with normal OOL.
Boost capable routers is another topic entirely.
Most people could care less about the missing 10% of speed, to them it's a convenience and saves a few dollars and the headache of trying to choose a router to buy. Remember, we're a very small minority of users out of what, 1.5 million subs? 
I wrote up a bunch of tests I did years ago when I got this router. Basically it is alruight for standard OOL but not Boost.
Attached is the white sheet and other tech data for the router I received.
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PS What's all this talk of getting banned from Verizon? I only know one person, Earl something who got canned for flaming in 0.verizon and cross posting. This you mate? |
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to jaa
said by jaa :said by batterup :I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router. quote:
Choose Your Gift
Netgear wireless router.
What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it? That offer is not available to you. Why would Cablevision say I can get one if I order Boost? Cablevision would not tell an untruth would they?
They don’t give the model number but they claim.
• quote:
Connects at speeds of up to 54Mbps — up to 5x faster than 802.11b
• Compatible with 802.11g and 80211b networking devices
• Powerful WEP security encryption (40/64- or 128-bit) and parental controls
• Compatible with Xbox live for online gaming
• Easy setup and installation with instructions included
• Works with Windows 95, 98, Me, NT, 2000, XP, Mac OS, NetWare, UNIX or Linux
• 24-hour, seven-day-a-week toll-free tech support included
• Three-year warranty
I asked a simple question, what speeds does one get with the Cablevision provided router? |
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