cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| I want an honest answer here
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Verizon has to cherry pick to some degree in order to offer FiOS in neighborhoods where demand is high and ROI is maximized. That said, there has to be some fairly sophisticated statistical analysis that goes into making neighborhood by neighborhood determinations, and we'd love to get our hands on the meeting minutes and spreadsheets involved.
Does anyone here with even a smidgen of common sense things that it makes sense for Verizon to deploy a brand spanking new and widespread commercially untested technology in areas where demand is now and ROI is minimized? Just think about it?
In full disclaimer, I currently have FiOS internet. I live in a medium sized city (Fort Wayne, Indiana). Verizon deployed Fios here and in the neighboring city of New Haven about 2 years ago. The average income in Fort Wayne is around $36k. The national average is about $10k more then that and the midwest average is about $8k more. We aren't particularly an affluent area and we don't have a huge tech industry although we do have at one time a large GTE presence and still maintain 1 of 3 Verizon call centers. When FiOS was deployed, it was done over most of the city at during the same period. Crews were rationalized to some degree just maximize use of equipment, but it wasn't like they did pockets here and there. The only exception was the southeast corner of the city that is generally considered the "poorer" section of town. They were done a year later after the winter freeze that shut down the work crews. Now just about everyone has access to fiber (apartments excluded). There are some areas on the fringes of town that may not be covered but that is because of how the existing POTS network is laid out and you will always have that.
If Verizon is cherry picking their installations, it's not around here. Remember that there is a difference between cherry picking, and not deploying in a area because it's not profitable.
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Dolgan
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join:2005-10-01
Sun Prairie, WI
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| The only reason FIOS was deployed in Ft Wayne and New Haven was because of a sweetheart deal for a GTE Exec when Verizon bought out GTE. Your facts and figures are absolutely meaningless as there are no other deployemnts are scheduled in the Midwest. |
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SD6
join:2005-03-26
| said by Dolgan  :The only reason FIOS was deployed in Ft Wayne and New Haven was because of a sweetheart deal for a GTE Exec when Verizon bought out GTE. Your facts and figures are absolutely meaningless as there are no other deployemnts are scheduled in the Midwest. I recall the GTE merger (six years ago). Are you saying the decision to fiber Ft. Wayne was part of the GTE exec's buyout? The timeframe doesn't fit. The information is useful because it tends to disprove the cherry picking charge, they fibered a large area ($$$), not just the GTE exec's neighborhood.
Also, Verizon doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of wire centers in the Midwest. |
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
·Verizon FIOS
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said by Dolgan :The only reason FIOS was deployed in Ft Wayne and New Haven was because of a sweetheart deal for a GTE Exec when Verizon bought out GTE. Your facts and figures are absolutely meaningless as there are no other deployemnts are scheduled in the Midwest. Oh bullshit. You have absolutely no basis for this. As SD6 pointed out the time frames don't fit. Plus do you really think Verizon is going to plop down that chunk of change to roll out FiOS just so an exec can get a fast connection? Please.
Verizon did the roll out here for several reasons. Verizon already had had a significant in the area. We have one of the call centers as well as a data center (although I'm not sure if it's still used as it once was). We had dual SONET rings connection all the COs in the area already so rolling out fiber was less of an impact. Plus local government lobbied Verizon heavily to be included in on the early cities that were deployed and fast tracked the permitting process instead of tying it up with red tape like many communities did.
So what if Verizon isn't doing any other Midwest installs. My point was that Verizon did Fort Wayne despise the fact that there were many other areas in much larger metroplexes that could have been done. Could it possibly be that Verizon hasn't done other Midwestern areas because most of their Midwest territory is in smaller towns that would have had much higher initial costs just to get the bandwidth there. Or maybe it's because Verizon is trying to sell off their Midwest region (except around Fort Wayne) and they didn't want to put in a huge investment into an area going to the competition. Nah, it can't be any of that. I bet they aren't deploying it just to spite you.
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | reply to Dolgan
I was told by a verizon call center person that ohio is supposed to start getting fios this year. We'll have to see if that proves true not.
Where do you get your info that no other midwest deployments are scheduled |
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