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Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route in OptimumOnline http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r17925162 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:46:43 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:46:43 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18222891 MLGTWISTED : Router really shouldn't do that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18222891 Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:35:56 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18184031 LostHost :

said by interested :

I have the same problem as the poster 183 posts ago. Any answers?

there is a direct relationship between the opening distance of a window and how many birds can fly in and poop all over the place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18184031 Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:23:44 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18182296 anon : I have the same problem as the poster 183 posts ago. Any answers?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18182296 Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:25:58 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18140294 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

Verizon is going to be broadband, you can delete me, insult me but it means nothing. Verizon wins.

What is this rant referencing in a thread that hasn't been touched for a week?

Verizon wins what? Number of subs? Speed? Revenue?

Verizon doesn't serve the entire country.

Folks would say Verizon's broadband wireless service is the weakest of all national offerings.

Do you have info on the areas that Verizon provides the same services as CV and the subscriber rate in those areas?
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said by Vange :

I meant,

Why does OOL support NOT know this stuff??

You don't really want your ISP tech support messing with your hardware/software/registry, do you?

Apparently, Verizon is going that route, for an extra charge of course.....can't wait to hear the horror stories of Verizon CSR's being accused of borking people's computers. :huh:

»Verizon Launches 'Premium' Tech Support
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111962 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:38:08 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18111890 jaa :

said by Vange :

Why does OOL support NOT know this stuff??

Because they do not do computer support. The people in this forum know more than their tech support employees, as you have found out.

I would not let a CV tech support person anywhere near my computer, much less let them edit my registry.
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Why does OOL support NOT know this stuff??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18110805 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:28:08 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18110802 anon : Whats amazing is that OOL has no clue about the rwin settings.
The onsite technician that showed up thought since I was splitting my cable line to my slingbox that was the issue, although I assured him the modem was in the -10 to +10 range so I should be fine.

The people on the phone were the ones telling me to do the FTP test and that the 2 MB/s speed should be 20+ MB/s. An earlier post made me realize that 2 MB/s is about 16 Mb/s. This was after I told the tech I was getting about 16 Mb/s on the OOL online test. He said those results are not as good as the FTP test.

Why does OOL support now know this stuff??

Anyway, like I said, all is resolved now.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18110802 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 14:27:12 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084987 La Luna :

said by Vange :

Ok, sometimes its the simplest things. My laptop was tweaked properly, a 65535 rwin setting. All my other PCs, 17000 and change. When I was doing the tweak and it asked for kb/s, I put in too low a number. My calculations were obviously off. Thanks for everyones help here. ISSUE RESOLVED!! IZ am getting 25/4.5 on all machines now.

The Netgear WPNT834 had nothing to do with it.

And another one that turned out to NOT be the router! :D

Glad you got it fixed. :)
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18084987 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:18:01 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18083834 Irish Shark : That's good that you got it fixed. I am surprised that nobody picked up on the ....

"We have no recommendations for 64k lines"

That would clue me to ask for a URL for the Tweak Test and the low RWIN would be obvious.
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The Netgear WPNT834 had nothing to do with it. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082914 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:38:15 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082685 anon : FOLLOWUP:

OOL sent out a rep. We made a direct line from the first splitter to my cable modem. My laptop now gets 26/4.5 consistently when connected directly to router. GOOD.

Now, reconnect Netgeat WPNT834 router.

My main P4 computer gets 10/4.5. JUNK.
I then took my laptop and connected it to the router, 26/4.5.

What gives? My main pPC is a P4, my laptop is really a piece of junk. I did tweak test on my main PC. Also, I tested it on various other machines and got near 10/4.5.

Notes and recommendations:
We have no recommendations for 64k lines
Looking good

Observations:
Good data stream (no/few rexmits)

Observations:
Looking good ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18082685 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:50:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078415 sillydoh : Vange, did you check to see if you have the latest firmware on your router? Also, you might need to tweak your computer as well. Try the speed tools on this site.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18078415 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:33:12 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076865 anon : I have a Netgear WPNT834 and that is on the list of approved routers. I even turned off SPI and that made no difference at all. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076865 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:03:56 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077488 La Luna : When I went right from my router to a laptop (bypassing my Netgear WPN834), the speeds jumped to 18 DL and 4.5 UL.

18 MB? That's not even that good without the router. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077488 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:47:28 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077282 TheWiseGuy : Are you connected Wired or Wireless?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077282 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:06:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077106 GeekNJ : Running the latest firmware?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18077106 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:32:03 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076868 anon : I have a Netgear WPNT834. I actually used that list before I switched to OOL Boost and bought this new router. Needless to say I am disappointed that I am not seeing the proper DL speed.

I even turned off SPI and that made no difference at all either.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076868 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:24:50 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076771 TheWiseGuy : So with the router you are around 10mbps, without around 16+mbps

See the forum FAQ on what routers will work well with a high bandwidth connection

»Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans?
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ftp: 67108864 bytes received in 52.94Seconds 1267.71Kbytes/sec.
ftp> cl
221-You have transferred 67108864 bytes in 1 files.
221-Total traffic for this session was 67109367 bytes in 1 transfers.
221-Thank you for using the FTP service on ftp1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.
221 Goodbye.
ftp> quit]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076713 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:08:25 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076690 anon : Thanks, I will see what I come up with.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076690 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 10:04:05 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076626 TheWiseGuy : A capital B stands for Bytes. If you are using IE or Mozilla, they definitely reports in Bytes.

You can use the FTP program in the link below (it is in FTPOOL.ZIP)

»Re: Way to go OOL, love the speeds
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Thanks for the reply and help.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076554 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:36:28 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076507 TheWiseGuy :

said by Vange :

Because of this jump I called OOL. They made me run a FTP test where I was seeing 1 Mb/s DL through my router and 2 Mb/s directly from my cable modem. They said to not even bother with the Speakeasy and OOL test.

The tech said I should be seeing 20-22 Mb/s on that FTP download and I am seeing 2 Mb/s. Nothing more we could do on the phone so they are sending a tech out tomorrow.

Are you sure it was 2 megabits and not 2 megaBYTES. FTP is normally reported in Bytes. 2 MBytes = 16.3 megabits/sec
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Because of this jump I called OOL. They made me run a FTP test where I was seeing 1 Mb/s DL through my router and 2 Mb/s directly from my cable modem. They said to not even bother with the Speakeasy and OOL test.

The tech said I should be seeing 20-22 Mb/s on that FTP download and I am seeing 2 Mb/s. Nothing more we could do on the phone so they are sending a tech out tomorrow.

Not sure what this all means in retrospect and why the online speed tests show food results, but the FTP tests shows horrible results.

Not really looking for any advice unless someone has had a similar situation. The Netgear WPN834 is on the Boost approved list of routers. Perhaps it's my cable modem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18076475 Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:19:00 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18069468 StreetSpirit :

said by batterup

said by StreetSpirit

:

Excuse me, but there has to be a vested interest for devoting so much of your time to fill this board with ridiculous, outright incorrect and proven wrong assertions. Wben you're proven wrong, you play the shill card.

I had OOL and Cablevision played me for a fool. They secretly capped me and then made me dance a little jig to get uncapped. That is the main reason I point out Cablevision's tricks and hustles.

Now let us look at what was

said by nypix9

:

8 pages, but when I first upgraded I didn't see a speed increase. They told me to take the router out and the speed was fine.

Sure , that's understandable. But wasn't this a year ago if not more? Time to maybe let it go?

But as far as I can tell, today, you're doing fine with Verizon ADSL and will soon have FIOS in Netcong.

Whch leads me to believe that you're happy with your ISP and your internet connection. As far as other services, I believe you have Satellite but could be wrong.

Which again leads me to the question. Even if they weren't up front with you or treated you poorly (and I had this experience several times too and still have an apology letter from Cablevision courtesy of Wilt to prove it), the fact is you no longer have a business relationship with Cablevision, which is the ultimate goal when you're disappointed by a company providing a service.

Which yet again brings us down the road of isn't 1, 1.5 or however many years it's been enough time to work it out of your system? Or do you plan on being here for the duration of Cablevision's existence? In which case I'm sorry to say they will probably outlive you (and most of us.)

See what I'm trying to get at? It's silly to argue with Jaa and Geek or myself as we know the facts, often better than the tech support people. And it's unfair and even cruel to post misleading information in reply to request for info from new users.

You and I know damn well Boost doesn't have any more problems working behind a router than any other similar speed service. You need to have enough router RAM and horsepower. Firmware plays a huge part.

Another thing. You're giving people very little credit. My next door neighbor who knows ZERO about computers was able to upgrade his router firmware on his own by calling Netgear. People aren't as helpless as you believe.

Many simply DONT CARE about the difference between "optimal super-tweaked" and "it works, thats fine for me".

I hope you take this post seriously, it's not meant to berate or anything like it. I'm hoping that you will reconsider what is truly important to you.

To me, it is far more important to spend an hour with my six year old daughter than to spend an hour lambashing some multi-billion dollar company on an internet forum.

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Hopefully some food for thought,
Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18069468 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:26:18 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068927 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

You left out my pointing out that a hacker can clone your modem address and packet sniff every connection on the node.

Yes, more unsubstantiated FUD. I'm sure there's more if I cared to read them all. I think the point is obvious to anyone coming here... batterup spews FUD.
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said by GeekNJ

said by batterup

:

Cablevision told the OP to take the router out, Cablevision did not offer any other help. That is all I pointed out. Cablevision is more then happy to have a large number of subscribers use routers that hobble their speed or not use a router and be limited to one computer. That is all I am pointing out.

Verizon FIOS won't help me with a router other then the one they provide. Read the Verizon forum. Why should they help with customer equipment they don't control. Nothing but a big "duh" on that one.

Your OOL router comment is also completely baseless. One computer connected directly to the cable modem can in 1 hour use more bandwidth then an entire home network in that same amount of time could when behind a router. Bandwidth/speed has nothing to do with what is physically connected. MORE FUD!!

And of course, you're changing your tune in each and every post as you are shown to be blowing smoke. Your previous comment which StreetSpirit replied to was the poster was elite because he could upgrade the firmware on a device he purchased on his own. Prior to that, you claimed CV caps when using a modem. More FUD! Prior to that, all in this thread, you claimed CV would provide dial-up speeds if it wasn't for FIOS. CV provided 10mb when Verizon, if they could provide service at all, was 1.5mb. Again, more FUD! I'm sure I missed a few other FUD areas just in this one thread alone.

"Nothing but FUD" is what you should change "I can not tell a lie" to.

You left out my pointing out that a hacker can clone your modem address and packet sniff every connection on the node.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068915 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:57:54 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068656 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

said by StreetSpirit

said by nypix9

:

8 pages, but when I first upgraded I didn't see a speed increase. They told me to take the router out and the speed was fine.

Cablevision told the OP to take the router out, Cablevision did not offer any other help. That is all I pointed out. Cablevision is more then happy to have a large number of subscribers use routers that hobble their speed or not use a router and be limited to one computer. That is all I am pointing out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18068594 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:06:47 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18067363 StreetSpirit : Excuse me, but there has to be a vested interest for devoting so much of your time to fill this board with ridiculous, outright incorrect and proven wrong assertions. Wben you're proven wrong, you play the shill card.

I have a question for you. What exactly is YOUR motivation in all of this? Or are you just a total nut who fell in love with the phone company.

Really now, don't you have anything better to do? This is funny to an extent. It's beginning to become sad and I'm really beginning to question your sanity.

added: You don't seem like a young man, and I really would expect a little more wisdom and restraint. Excuse me for getting personal, but dude, we don't want you to have a heart attack because of this. Take a breather and live your life for a while, forgetting about telecom.

I know that as a telecom employee, the last thing I want to do is bring this nonsense home with me. :)

Dont take this personal but as concern.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18067363 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:22:35 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18067015 GeekNJ : The router is the issue. Your post above states:

said by batterup

:

Take the router out and use only one computer that is what Cablevision wants.

CV doesn't care. They even provide routers as promos from time to time. So, you are providing more mis-information again.

Like I said - more FUD on your part. You are so sad!
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said by GeekNJ

:

Why - his router works fine once he updated the firmware on his router.

More FUD! :huh:

That is because the OP is l33t. The great unwashed would not know enough to upgrade the firmware. The great unwashed would get full speed with one computer of suffer the router cap with two computers.

Edit: :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066910 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:00:35 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066772 GeekNJ : Why - his router works fine once he updated the firmware on his router.

More FUD! :huh:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066772 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:39:22 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066725 batterup :

said by nypix9

:

8 pages, but when I first upgraded I didn't see a speed increase. They told me to take the router out and the speed was fine. I upgraded my routers firmware and then it was golden. Netgear WGR614. YMMV.

Take the router out and use only one computer that is what Cablevision wants.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18066725 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:32:10 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065538 nypix9 : 8 pages, but when I first upgraded I didn't see a speed increase. They told me to take the router out and the speed was fine. I upgraded my routers firmware and then it was golden. Netgear WGR614. YMMV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18065538 Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:07:23 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054442 jaa :

said by batterup

:

Show me where another broadband provider has as much speed loss through a router as Cablevision. Coincidence? I don't think so. There may not be indisputable proof of secret capping as there is with 15/2 service but something is causing only Cablevision to have the router speed penalty.

Few ISPs offer the speeds of OOL. Those that do, have the problem. Besides being a moron, idiot, liar, and troll, you also can't read or have very little retention. You already made that same assinine assertion earlier in this thread, and Streetspirit responded by quoting information posted by an ISP concerning routers and slowdowns - posted by the ISP, not on some forum.
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said by batterup

said by jaa

:

That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.

Liar. I do nothing of the sort - you are the only one I call a liar, moron, and idiot. And yes, I do realize that is just pointing out the obvious.
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said by batterup

:

Very nice, so you can't show another ISP that has as big a problem as Cablevision losing speed through a router. Do you really think childish name calling will keep people from seeing the facts?

Please provide proof of "This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it"......proof over and above your baseless claims that this is a "fact".

Please provide proof of your *that didn't work, let me try and wiggle out of it with this one* claim that CV, when using a compliant router, loses speed through said router....proof over and above your baseless claims that this is a "fact".

Here's a "fact" for you....you are a troll and are misleading people who come here for help. You must be getting a kickback from Verizon. I hope they are paying you well.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18054027 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:34:48 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053701 GeekNJ : Batterup is wrong again.

One would think, out of just sheer luck, he'd be right at least once, about something. But alas, he's batting a perfect 0.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053701 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:40:16 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053683 GeekNJ : No, every single router that doesn't provide max speed on OOL in 15/2 or BOOST because the router isn't capable will 100% LIMIT YOU ON VERIZON FIOS for any plan that matches or exceeds CV's download speed.

Every one of those routers will cause you to be capped on FIOS.

The router, liar, is the problem. The ISP is not the problem. The speed is not the problem. The medium is not the problem. The PC is not the problem. The router, Mr Liar, is the problem on every single ISP that provides 15mb or higher speed.

You are a liar no matter whether you use lower case, upper case, mixed case, bold or underline.
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said by GeekNJ

said by batterup

:

Very nice, so you can't show another ISP that has as big a problem as Cablevision losing speed through a router.

READ THE POST NUMBNUTS!

Notice how long and loud the frustration is permitted to continue. Facts are facts and I don't need capitol letters to state them. Cablevision has more speed degradation through a router then any other.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053674 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:33:07 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053647 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

Very nice, so you can't show another ISP that has as big a problem as Cablevision losing speed through a router.

READ THE POST NUMBNUTS!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053647 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:27:46 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053620 batterup :

said by GeekNJ

said by batterup

:

Show me where another broadband provider has as much speed loss through a router as Cablevision.

Every single router that can't handle Boost speeds on OOL will not handle FIOS speeds. 100%! It is why Verizon provides a router with the service and charges you a cancellation fee to cover the cost. In addition, if you wanted wireless, they would charge you extra for a wireless router.

So, liar, proven wrong yet again.

Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar! Batterup is a liar!

Very nice, so you can't show another ISP that has as big a problem as Cablevision losing speed through a router. Do you really think childish name calling will keep people from seeing the facts?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053620 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:22:27 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053605 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

Show me where another broadband provider has as much speed loss through a router as Cablevision.

said by Thinkdiff

:

I guess you just don't know how to read or refuse to read your first comment.. You specifically stated that "Jim" (Cablevision) is capping the connection, not the router.

Whether or not you admit it doesn't concern me. My point was to show everbody else you're a liar, and I have accomplished that.

Good day.

I hope the US does this in Iraq, declare victory and leave.

You conveniently left out the post I was responding to.

Show me where another broadband provider has as much speed loss through a router as Cablevision. Coincidence? I don't think so. There may not be indisputable proof of secret capping as there is with 15/2 service but something is causing only Cablevision to have the router speed penalty.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053580 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:16:05 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053576 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

If there is a FAQ about what routers don't limit speed it shows that most routers do limit OOL speed. That is the essence and spirit of what I said.

The only "spirit" must be the one you're consuming before you post.

The FAQ lists routers that subscribers (of which you aren't) have used and shown to provide full speed.

So your logic is yet again flawed. If every OOL customer used 4 routers, then 4 routers would be listed. The number of routers listed is irrelevant and as the FAQ specifically states...
There are many routers that seem to work with the new OOL speeds. It is impossible to list all of them here.

So, liar, WRONG AGAIN! There is obviously no end to which you'll go to embarrass yourself.

How is the inability for a 3rd party piece of hardware a "shortcoming of OOL" as you post in your reply above? Again, ANOTHER LIE!
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said by jaa

:

That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.

You are not happy with my pointing out the short comings of OOL. Now that your logic has failed you resort to gutter tactics of name calling. Your history of insulting and brow beating posters into silence that don’t agree with the Cablevision manifesto will not work with me.

If there is a FAQ about what routers don't limit speed it shows that most routers do limit OOL speed. That is the essence and spirit of what I said.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053520 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:05:34 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053490 Thinkdiff : I guess you just don't know how to read or refuse to read your first comment.. You specifically stated that "Jim" (Cablevision) is capping the connection, not the router.

Whether or not you admit it doesn't concern me. My point was to show everbody else you're a liar, and I have accomplished that.

Good day.
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said by Thinkdiff

said by batterup

:

Where did I state that?

Well, right here...

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

said by batterup

:

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line

Thank you for admitting that I sad routers cap an OOL circuit.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18053457 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:54:19 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050763 La Luna :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Liar. There is no such faq.

What the hell is that? The FAQ that say what routers are compatible with OOL's speed tiers. It says nothing about "most routers when used with OOL SECRETLY cap the line....".

Routers are incapable of "capping".

The small amount of OVERHEAD mentioned will happen with ANY service when using a router (including your beloved FIOS).

Please learn the difference between "overhead" and "capping" before ~~trolling~~ posting idiocy.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18050763 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:30:20 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18049431 GeekNJ : My Windows Pocket PC device can't reach max speeds so Verizon must cap Pocket PC devices too. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18049431 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:23:46 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18049417 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Liar. There is no such faq.

Thanks for the reference; it proves you are either a complete moronic idiot, don't know how to read, or are just a trolling liar. Perhaps all 3.

That faq say nothing about routers that limit your speed - it lists router THAT DO NOT limit speed with OOL.
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said by batterup

said by Thinkdiff

:

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.

Those same routers cap my Verizon line. So Verizon secretly caps the line!

Now, you can't say Verizon doesn't cap any more. Verizon also naturally caps too.

And if I use a 10mb NIC card, my PC is capped by OOL and Verizon.

Of course, all the above is only if you believe the original lie that batterup is claiming. I think he's proven that NOTHING batterup posts has any merit at all. We can point back to this most recent lie and twisted logic in the next lie he throws out, the next BS post and the next OOL slam. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18049364 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:44:24 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048949 Thinkdiff :

said by batterup

:

Where did I state that?

Well, right here...

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

said by batterup

:

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line

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University of Southern California - Class of 2010. Fight On!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048949 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:56:10 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048782 batterup :

said by Thinkdiff

:

You just changed your statement from "OOL's doing it" to "the router is doing it"... Make up your mind :uhh:

Where did I state that? Be careful, you may lose your smiley privileges.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048782 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:58:18 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048773 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Liar. There is no such faq.

You people can call me all the names you want. You can post ten thousand roll-eye-smiles but I will not be cowed by people with a self serving agenda.

»Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048773 Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:54:05 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048743 Thinkdiff :

said by batterup

said by Thinkdiff

:

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.

You just changed your statement from "OOL's doing it" to "the router is doing it"... Make up your mind :uhh:
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said by batterup

said by Thinkdiff

:

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.

Liar. There is no such faq.
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said by Thinkdiff

:

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.

Most routers when used with OOL secretly cap the line; I stand by that statement. There is a FAQ on this about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048493 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:37:35 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048027 Thinkdiff :

said by La Luna

said by Johndoe86753

:

Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.

I believe he was referring to Batterup's comment that CV secretly caps router users, which is completely false.
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University of Southern California - Class of 2010. Fight On!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18048027 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:14:01 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18047678 La Luna :

said by Johndoe86753

Have to disagree somewhat....it's no secret at all, they DO cap people on the 15/2 tier for excessive uploading. The person has to call to get uncapped.

However, there have been no substantiated reports of being capped on Boost. People have maxed out their uploading for days to test and it doesn't happen.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18047678 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:11:39 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18046705 batterup :

said by Johndoe86753

:

Your an idiot.
Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.

Cablevision did and does secretly cap subscribers. That is how I found my way here looking for answers. If you people don't like it you should not have done it.

I got rid of OOL and in a short time I will be able to get rid of Cablevision entirely.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18046705 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 18:02:38 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18046144 Johndoe86753 : Your an idiot. The connection slows down because the connection is going through an additional piece of hardware. Most likely your router is outdated or is a crappy Linksys, Belkin, or Netgear. Cablevision does not "secretly" cap you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18046144 Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:25:10 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027777 batterup :

said by jaa

:

You would like a single offering from TPC, I like choice. Just a difference of opinion.

Good for you, bad for the great unwashed 1st to 16th no problem jaa is happy.

I say it for the 1000th time. TPC would not run FIOS as long there were leaches in the grass. It had nothing to do with Cable TV. FIOS would be run just for POST as it will pay for its self in maintenance cost reduction over time.

P.S.

quote:
In 1977, the first optical telephone communication system was installed about 1.5 miles under downtown Chicago, and each optical fiber carried the equivalent of 672 voice channels.

Guess who placed that fiber? How far along would the interweb be if Bell was permitted to deploy the computer they invented on the end of that cable? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027777 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:06:14 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027448 jaa : 50 years ago Bell Labs did some great things. You disagree with the AT&T breakup, and would be happier if AT&T were still around and determined what communications service you had, and IBM was around and determined what computer you had.

No Cisco. No Microsoft. No Apple.

You are entitled to your opinion.

You started with the premise that FIOS competition drove cable to offer higher speeds. When the fact proved the opposite - that it was cable that drove TPC to offer FIOS, you reverted back to "it all started with AT&T / Bell Labs" and we should have let them continue.

You would like a single offering from TPC, I like choice. Just a difference of opinion.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18027448 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:02:31 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026749 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Yes, it is a shame they could only exist as a quasi-government subsidized monopoly, and could not survive in a competitive environment. Now instead of one government-subsidized Bell Labs, we have thousands of entrepreneurial companies developing new technologies.

Not only does TPC exist they devour the profitable, MCI/WorldCom/AT&t and spew out the the burdensome, Vermont. I posted what Bell Labs GAVE to the world. Post a list of Nobel Prize winners CATV/CLEC have produced. You are urinating into the wind and you know it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026749 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:43:16 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026678 jaa : Yes, it is a shame they could only exist as a quasi-government subsidized monopoly, and could not survive in a competitive environment. Now instead of one government-subsidized Bell Labs, we have thousands of entrepreneurial companies developing new technologies.

Just think of how simple and easy a dictatorship is compared to a democracy with free speech and balance of power.

Your choice - Sadam Hussein, Fidel Castro, or a Democracy.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026678 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:28:53 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026568 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Clearly it was not until the cable companies ate their lunch that the old fat and happy phone companies got off their ass (well, at least some of them) and STARTED to deliver "real" residential broadband that is greater than 6mbit and available to all subscribers. Verizon still has a long way to go (another 5 years at least) to fulfill that, and other phone companies have not even started yet.

You will know them by there fruits; before the break up the US had the best telecommunication system in the world by far. The US had that for almost 100 years. We would have that today if it were not for the shovels full of crap feed to the public by MCI/WorldCom.

Alas, I don't think we will ever again see the likes of Bell Labs again.

quote:
Over the last century, Bell has become one of the top research institutions in the US. Not only did scientists at Bell invent the transistor, but they also created the laser, the solar cell, communications satellites, and many other inventions. Bell built the first transistorized computer and, of course, has greatly improved phone service. The labs boast over 26,000 patents and eleven Nobel Prize winners.

TPC now waists time and money keeping leaches off the glass. They have to delay deployment of the network because local politicians are extorting swimming pools and the US has fallen from 1 to 16th in world communication.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026568 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:57:10 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026345 jaa : Yes, if we had just left them in place with no competition, they would still be telling us ISDN is what we need, and we would still be saying it stands for I Still Don't Need it.

The facts in this ridiculous thread completely disprove your theory - even your own statements. You started the entire "discussion" on the premise that it is because of FIOS competition that we have high speeds in Cable - right idea, but wrong companies. Clearly it was not until the cable companies ate their lunch that the old fat and happy phone companies got off their ass (well, at least some of them) and STARTED to deliver "real" residential broadband that is greater than 6mbit and available to all subscribers. Verizon still has a long way to go (another 5 years at least) to fulfill that, and other phone companies have not even started yet.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18026345 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:33:42 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18025906 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Songs are not patented.

I didn't say they were. You know very well a copyright holder and patent holder are virtually the same thing. They have exclusive rights to a work and one must be granted a licence to use it. Except for Bell Labs, their thousands of patents had to be released to the public domain.

I'll bet Vontage is longing for the old days.

quote:
Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone company Vonage has lost a patent court case with telco giant Verizon that will cost it $58 million and a 5.5% royalty on future sales.

Yes The Phone Company gave up much to remain TPC. They gave away Billions upon Billions upon Billions in patients, they gave up Bell of Canada, they gave up Nipon telephone along with NCR. The biggest thing they gave up was being able to get into the computer business. You do know who wrote the Unix OS? You are correct, Bell Labs.

After giving up all of that the good people of the US of A got suckered by the leaches into breaking up the Bell System. No problem, Ma is coming back together and she is pissed and unregulated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18025906 Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:20:00 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024894 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Songs are not patented.

quote:
Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone company Vonage has lost a patent court case with telco giant Verizon that will cost it $58 million and a 5.5% royalty on future sales.

Vonage infringed on a patent and has to pay. That is the way patents work, including all 26,000 Bell Labs patents. Infringe on them, and you pay.

As far as Bell Labs patents being relased to the public domain, that was entirely Bell Lab's choice. In 1949 the Justice Department brought an anti-trust suit against AT&T (which included Bell Labs) which was settled in 1956 and filed an anti-trust suit again in 1974 that was settled in 1982.

Isn't it time to move on? Bell Labs and AT&T did, why can't you?

If you want to be mad at someone, blame AT&T of 1956 and 1982 for making what your believe were bad decisions.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024894 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:06:21 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024559 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Songs are not patented.

quote:
Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) phone company Vonage has lost a patent court case with telco giant Verizon that will cost it $58 million and a 5.5% royalty on future sales.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024559 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 21:00:25 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024084 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

Wile looking for information on broadband over Cable TV I learned something. Bell Labs was granted a patent for Coaxial Cable on May 23, 1929. That patent along with patents for the Laser, Transistor and Decibel had to be given away because of the monopoly agreement with the government.

Do you have a date when CATV started offering broadband?

Good thing it wasn't a song, it would be for the life of the author plus 75 years. When did the patent expire on the Laser?

You need to be more specific since there are many patents involving the laser. Tell me the patent number and I will tell you when it expired or will expire.

Songs are not patented.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18024084 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:30:48 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18023278 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

Good thing it wasn't a song, it would be for the life of the author plus 75 years. When did the patent expire on the Laser?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18023278 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:52:31 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021978 jaa :

said by batterup

Long after the expiration of that 1929 patent, and the other patents about which you speak. 1980's I believe - also long after the phone companies were offering various forms of high-speed internet including leased lines, ISDN, and DSL.

Cable broadband did not require any government intervention on patents, as you imply.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021978 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:23:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021481 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

That was long after the monopoly Cable TV companies were providing more then CATV.

Nope. It was much later that the cable companies started offering broadband, and later phone service, through their cable franchises.

Wile looking for information on broadband over Cable TV I learned something. Bell Labs was granted a patent for Coaxial Cable on May 23, 1929. That patent along with patents for the Laser, Transistor and Decibel had to be given away because of the monopoly agreement with the government.

Do you have a date when CATV started offering broadband?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021481 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:29:40 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021023 jaa :

said by batterup

:

That was long after the monopoly Cable TV companies were providing more then CATV.

Nope. It was much later that the cable companies started offering broadband, and later phone service, through their cable franchises.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18021023 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:50:06 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18020885 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Look like we finally have the answer to "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" Clearly it was cable broadband.

TPC was prohibited from providing many services and expanding into other areas by excessive legacy restrictions.

That was long after the monopoly Cable TV companies were providing more then CATV. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18020885 Sun, 18 Mar 2007 04:51:46 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18018154 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Look like we finally have the answer to "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" Clearly it was cable broadband.

TPC was prohibited from providing many services and expanding into other areas by excessive legacy restrictions.

Nope. They were permitted to compete as soon as they opened up the networks built when they were a regulated monopoly to other companies. Once they did that, they were allowed to enter other businesses with their non-regulated company.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18018154 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:24:22 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017401 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Look like we finally have the answer to "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" Clearly it was cable broadband.

TPC was prohibited from providing many services and expanding into other areas by excessive legacy restrictions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18017401 Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:37:52 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18013483 jaa : Look like we finally have the answer to "Which came first - the chicken or the egg?" Clearly it was cable broadband.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18013483 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:30:20 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18013351 StreetSpirit :

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

Just to add a few words regarding my experience -

ISDN or a T1 was my only choice in the dot-com era. Both were quite expensive. I did not have a grand to spend on my residential internet [T1] so it had to be either multi-linked modems, or ISDN. I did the ppp multilink challenge thing for a few years, running two USR 56K Sportsters in a shotgun configuration. I remember the ISP I used was the Sprint owned TEAC.Net, which supported multilink, but eventually could not take it anymore and ordered ISDN around 97. My first bill was on the order of 300 plus dollars (!)

The bill consisted of a $85 dollar installation charge, even though all I asked was two network interfaces for the modem. Per channel per minute charges were the bulk of the bill, and taxes and all sorts of other fees.

Eventually I wizened up and went with a Mom and Pop ISP in CT (which is where I lived at the time) that offered DOV without per minute per channel charges.

ISDN brings back memories of lots of bills :)

ADSL wasn't available until 2002. It was good when it became available and yielded a solid 1.5/384, but I moved to Brooklyn later the same year when we bought a house here.

I get complimentary ADSL courtesy of my job and often run a comparison. ADSL is ok, but going from 30mbit to 3mbit isn't all that easy :)

All capping and bitching aside, I had & have one of the fastest residential connections in the country and you do too! We are very lucky in this regard.

As to OOL speeds because of FIOS assertion - it is incorrect.

I doubt OOL availability has ANY correlation with FIOS during the earlier years. Perhaps today but it was already a 10mbit service.

First, OOL became available even before DOCSIS modems were.

FIOS wasn't even in the conception stage, since Verizon itself did not exist back then and as you know, Bell Atlantic and GTE were yet to be married. :)

In fact the complete opposite of batterup

's assertion is true. FIOS is a direct response to Cable VOIP taking Verizon's bread and butter voice customers away.

Dave
[edit: syntax,sp]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18013351 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:05:17 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18012659 batterup :

said by La Luna

:

Proved wrong yet again.

Perhaps but NEVER by anything you have ever posted. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18012659 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:55:49 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18012644 batterup :

said by GeekNJ

said by batterup

:

All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

All of you know that if it wasn't for CV providing me broadband for years before Verizon was able to, I would have still be on dial-up.

I agree.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18012644 Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:52:29 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18004276 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

All of you know that if it wasn't for CV providing me broadband for years before Verizon was able to, I would have still be on dial-up.
--
Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18004276 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 05:00:57 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003933 La Luna :

said by batterup

:

All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

Dancing as fast as you can? Yes you are....

Proved wrong yet again.
--
~~Well, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, just like me...~~

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003933 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:25:55 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003718 jaa :

said by batterup

:

All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.

Once again, you have proved your ignorance. The fact is OOL was at 10mbps long before Verizon had a residential offering anywhere near that speed, and before they had done their first FIOS internet pilot.

The fact is if it were not for the cable companies, Verizon would still be telling us ISDN was the answer, and then that DSL was the answer. They have been pitifully behind for so long - until the cable industry ate their lunch and forced them to do something.
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003718 Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:15:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003365 batterup : All of you know that if it wasn't for FIOS you would be at dial-up speed. Verizon has force Jim to do the right thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18003365 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:55:47 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18002492 tonyfer2 :

/i have the same belkin and i get almost full speed.......
26932/4519 Cablevision tonyfer Elizabeth, NJ, USA NYC, NY, USA 14 ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18002492 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:30:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18001410 La Luna : The bottom line is that there is NO speed/performance issues when using any router that is compatible with Boost.

These are my speeds with a Linksys WRT54GS with firewall turned on:

[att=1]
--
~~Well, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, just like me...~~

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18001410 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:18:03 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17995773 StreetSpirit : Just a tidbit:

This router is very nice actually. I was trying to make it lock up by opening more and more sockets in the "ESTABLISHED" state. I also gave uTorrent a try.

Interestingly I did not modify any of my uTorrent settings, which allow for a LOT of connections. 200 per torrent, 600 overall.

Attached please find a screenshot.

For those folks who have this exact router, go to »www.netgear.com/Success/wgr614v6.aspx and update your firmware from the 1.x tree to the 2.x tree.

said by Netgear :
The firmware for this version is NOT compatible with earlier versions (It will not work on WGR614v5, WGR614v4, etc.) or "WGR614v6-TDC"

--
Regards
Dave

uTorrent with the Netgear - LOTS of connections

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17995773 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:47:43 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17992158 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

Well isn't that special for those that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

Can you hear me now?
»Time Warner Cablevision?

I think you are posting in the wrong thread. This thread is about boost performance when connected to a router. You asked if the router provided as a promotion was capable of boost speeds, and several people responded that it was much to your chagrin. Streetspirit even took the time to run tests and post the results.

Unsatisfied that your snipe at CV did not work, you attempt to divert attention.

Why can't you just be a woman and thank Dave for running the tests and taking the time to answer your question?
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17992158 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:54:07 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17992058 batterup :

said by jaa

:

Well isn't that special for those that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

Can you hear me now?
»Time Warner Cablevision?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17992058 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:36:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991964 jaa : Well isn't that special for those that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991964 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 23:21:17 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991525 StreetSpirit :

said by GeekNJ

:

You have wireless G at home? Can you add this as a wireless AP and see what speed you get? On mine, albeit a v5, I can push 20mb when wireless.

Now that the speed thing has been worked out, I intend to do just that. Keep the Cisco as a router and use the Netgear as an AP.

I haven't played with the wireless yet, but there shouldn't be a problem.

I'm going to try running a torrent and see how it deals with lots of open sockets, but I'm already impressed by this little job after doing some IRC DCC uploads and downloads..

Take a look at the above

--
Regards,
Dave

Note that SPI is on
Notice the thruput!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991525 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:15:03 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991042 StreetSpirit : Relax. All it needed was a firmware upgrade. Remember this router was in my closet for nearly 2 years.

--20:56:10--  ftp://ftp.ea.com/pub/easports/demos/madden2004/Madden2004_Demo.exe
           => `Madden2004_Demo.exe'
Resolving ftp.ea.com... 159.153.229.106, 159.153.229.107
Connecting to ftp.ea.com|159.153.229.106|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/easports/demos/madden2004 ... done.
==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR Madden2004_Demo.exe ... done.
Length: 69,754,368 (67M) (unauthoritative)
 
100%[========================================>] 69,754,368     3.04M/s    ETA 00:00
 
20:56:32 (3.01 MB/s) - `Madden2004_Demo.exe' saved [69754368]

What was that about not seeing? :huh:

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17991042 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:59:12 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990992 GeekNJ : Groovy!! I was just getting up to go hook mine up and see what it showed again.

Very interesting, for those that care about such things ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990992 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:52:18 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990964 StreetSpirit : WHOA! HOLD THE HORSES!

I just upgraded the firmware to V2.0.13_1.0.13NA and I'm seeing 2.9-3.0MB/s speeds!

I guess this router IS fully BOOST capable. Thanks David! I still prefer my Cisco but I don't mind having another WAP in the house :)

Really cool! BTW This is with SPI ON!

V2.0.13_1.0.13NA gives Boost Speeds!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990964 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:47:44 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990936 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit

:

I reconnected the Netgear WGR614_v6 . Try as I might, and I;ve been at it for about 1.5 hours, I can't get the router to go faster than 12-13 mbit.

Well isn't that special for those that have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990936 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:44:42 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990923 GeekNJ : You have wireless G at home? Can you add this as a wireless AP and see what speed you get? On mine, albeit a v5, I can push 20mb when wireless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990923 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:43:03 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990792 StreetSpirit : David,

Attached please find some screen-shots. I'm reconnecting my Cisco in a second :)

I reconnected the Netgear WGR614_v6 . Try as I might, and I;ve been at it for about 1.5 hours, I can't get the router to go faster than 12-13 mbit.

The SPI firewall is off. The RF radio is off. Everything I can think of possibly causing a bottleneck is off. I tried multiple cables and another PC running 2003 Server. Same results as before. ~11-12mbit down, 4.5mbit up.

Oh, I didn't create any new services, any static routes, and allow the router to reply to ICMP echo requests.

--
Regards,
Dave

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17990792 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:20:50 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17989597 StreetSpirit : I might have screwed something up. I'll reconnect it within a few days and try to post some metrics.

edit: I found my old thread- »[OOL] [Boost] [Router Test] Netgear WGR614v6 (wired)

The thing is, Boost had just rolled out and was 30/2, a number of early boost adopters were having throughput issues and modems loosing Boost settings.

I also recall that I went through a bunch of modem with no improvement until halw

's help which had resolved the problems.

I will re-run the tests soon, and I was also impressed with the feature set of the router, but a little disapointed about the wired speeds.

--
Regards,
David

P.S. To show you how much things have improved, read this post. I had my share of troubles, but now it's sheer pleasure to use. All kinks worked out. Would a CV shill post »BOOST - Negative Experiences: Slow speeds, Fubar IPTV Soft]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17989597 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:52:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17987122 GeekNJ : And in addition, that router features SPI which is known to cause home routers to under perform. SPI needs to be disabled on FIOS as well as OOL & OOL Boost in order to achieve max speeds. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17987122 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:57:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17986840 GeekNJ : I have that router (v5) and wireless and wired, I max out my 20mb connection. I don't know where David got 12-13mb from, but I didn't have it as a primary router through the WAN port.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17986840 Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:02:39 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17985971 serge666 : ANYWAY, to OP, your router sucks :P

get a D-Link DGL-4300

I did and I get NO slowdown what so ever. It's like having the modem directly connected to my computer. Just set the router's upload speed manually and set gamefuel to auto and you're set. If need be, set your IP to DMZ. Oh and be sure that you change the router's IP to something other than 192.168.1.1 to avoid conflics.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17985971 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:57:45 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17985922 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

said by GeekNJ

:

Posted multiple times. Maybe YOU need to get your eyes checked.

You get full speed.

Actually no it was not.

Actually, yes it was. Perhaps you just did not like the answer.

The answer was

quote:
The router maxes out around 12-13mbit downstream.

That is less then 1/2 of the speed one pays for with Boost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17985922 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:47:12 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17984534 jaa :

said by batterup

said by GeekNJ

:

Posted multiple times. Maybe YOU need to get your eyes checked.

You get full speed.

Actually no it was not.

Actually, yes it was. Perhaps you just did not like the answer.
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17984534 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:51:00 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983836 batterup :

said by GeekNJ

:

Posted multiple times. Maybe YOU need to get your eyes checked.

You get full speed.

Actually no it was not.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983836 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:26:20 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983804 GeekNJ : Posted multiple times. Maybe YOU need to get your eyes checked.

You get full speed. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983804 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:16:41 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983750 batterup :

said by La Luna

:

Not sure why you even post in the OOL forum. Everyone of your "claims" has been proved wrong. You don't use OOL and you are having a love relationship with FIOS. You are obviously just here to troll and pass on bogus information.

I post in the OOL forum because I had OOL and I know how Cablevision operates. As for everyone of my facts being proven wrong that is only for those that do not have the eyes to see or the ears to hear.

My question remains unanswered; Cablevison provides a router with Boost, what speed does one get with that router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17983750 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:05:27 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982430 La Luna :

said by batterup

:

I asked a simple question, what speeds does one get with the Cablevision provided router?

This is priceless....first you try to insinuate that CV throttles boost performance with ANY router:

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

....then, when you are proved wrong, you try to be slick and change it to the "cablevision router".

Not sure why you even post in the OOL forum. Everyone of your "claims" has been proved wrong. You don't use OOL and you are having a love relationship with FIOS. You are obviously just here to troll and pass on bogus information.
--
~~Well, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, I think you're crazy, just like me...~~

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17982430 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:35:58 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17981488 jaa :

said by batterup

:

I don't need no steeken Cablevision, Verizon is running FIOS in Netcong. Booooo Yaaaaa.

Then why are you asking about the speed?
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17981488 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:43:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17980000 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit

:

Wasn't Earl Camembert a fictional character on SCTV played by Eugene Levy ?

I wish SCTV was still on.. Loved that show.

Dave

I thought that's what this was.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17980000 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:24:45 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979996 batterup :

said by jaa

:

By your unwillingness to do so, you prove my point Earl. Your ban from Verizon may have been lifted, but I am certain your ban from OOL remains.

I know the only way Cablevision let you have service was if you promised to defend them in these posts even though you know it is wrong.

I don't need no steeken Cablevision, Verizon is running FIOS in Netcong. Booooo Yaaaaa.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979996 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:23:39 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979850 StreetSpirit : Wasn't Earl Camembert a fictional character on SCTV played by Eugene Levy ?

I wish SCTV was still on.. Loved that show.

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979850 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:53:25 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979680 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

:

That is an OOL offer, not a boost offer. Streetspirit answered the question about speed.

You are not eligible for the router offer, so don't worry about it - you can't get any speeds.

You are incorrect on both accounts. When I enter my information I get.

quote:
Order Information
Please complete the information below to order Optimum Online Boost today.
All fields marked with (•) are required.

Account Number:• - -
(Please enter the first 13 digits of your account number)

How do I find my account number?
Try our online account lookup

Can't find your account number or don't have a Cablevision account? Call 1-877-810-6750.
First Name:•
Last Name:•
Address 1:•
(street address)
Address 2:
(apartment, suite, unit, building, floor, etc.)
City:•
State:•
ZIP code:•

Home phone:• ( )
Work phone: ( )
Preferred Call Time:•
E-mail:•
Confirm e-mail:•
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router or
Lexmarktm Inkjet Printer

Maybe they want me back with a router cap.

You are not eligible for that offer. You will get full speeds with the router.

You can post all the BS you want, or provide proof. Signup, get the router, and show that you don't get full speeds. Time to put up, or shut up. I expect you will do neither.

By your unwillingness to do so, you prove my point Earl. Your ban from Verizon may have been lifted, but I am certain your ban from OOL remains.
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979680 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:13:46 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979174 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

Maybe they want me back with a router cap.

No router cap, Earl - why do you keep typing that? OOL's router is fine when you are wired. Wireless, it likely can't max out 30mb but no standard "G" router can as the technology doesn't permit it. You'd have to go with a non-standard proprietary G router with vendor specific "boost" technology.

Same with Verizon - a G router provided by Verizon can't max out a 30/50 mb tier when wireless.
--
Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979174 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:22:46 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979138 batterup :

said by jaa

:

That is an OOL offer, not a boost offer. Streetspirit answered the question about speed.

You are not eligible for the router offer, so don't worry about it - you can't get any speeds.

You are incorrect on both accounts. When I enter my information I get.

quote:
Order Information
Please complete the information below to order Optimum Online Boost today.
All fields marked with (•) are required.

Account Number:• - -
(Please enter the first 13 digits of your account number)

How do I find my account number?
Try our online account lookup

Can't find your account number or don't have a Cablevision account? Call 1-877-810-6750.
First Name:•
Last Name:•
Address 1:•
(street address)
Address 2:
(apartment, suite, unit, building, floor, etc.)
City:•
State:•
ZIP code:•

Home phone:• ( )
Work phone: ( )
Preferred Call Time:•
E-mail:•
Confirm e-mail:•
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router or
Lexmarktm Inkjet Printer

Maybe they want me back with a router cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17979138 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:16:25 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976802 jaa :

said by batterup

:

That looks like the one they want one to use with Boost.
»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp

So what down-load speeds would one get? Someone must be using them; many must be using them.

That is an OOL offer, not a boost offer. Streetspirit answered the question about speed.

You are not eligible for the router offer, so don't worry about it - you can't get any speeds.
--
NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976802 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:43:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976783 GeekNJ : batterup = Earl Camembert ?!?!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976783 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:33:14 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976620 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit

:

Attached is the white sheet and other tech data for the router I received.

--
Regards,
David

That looks like the one they want one to use with Boost.
»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp

So what down-load speeds would one get? Someone must be using them; many must be using them.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976620 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:58:13 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976613 batterup :

said by StreetSpirit

:

PS What's all this talk of getting banned from Verizon? I only know one person, Earl something who got canned for flaming in 0.verizon and cross posting. This you mate?

Mr. Earl Camembert was banned because Verizon was in negotiation with the represented employees at that time. One day after the contract was signed Mr. Camembert's service and relation with Verizon was restored and has remained 100% solid to this day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976613 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:51:00 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976606 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.

quote:
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router.

What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it?

That offer is not available to you.

Why would Cablevision say I can get one if I order Boost? Cablevision would not tell an untruth would they?
They don’t give the model number but they claim.
•

quote:
Connects at speeds of up to 54Mbps — up to 5x faster than 802.11b
• Compatible with 802.11g and 80211b networking devices
• Powerful WEP security encryption (40/64- or 128-bit) and parental controls
• Compatible with Xbox live for online gaming
• Easy setup and installation with instructions included
• Works with Windows 95, 98, Me, NT, 2000, XP, Mac OS, NetWare, UNIX or Linux
• 24-hour, seven-day-a-week toll-free tech support included
• Three-year warranty

I asked a simple question, what speeds does one get with the Cablevision provided router? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17976606 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:45:38 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17959566 StreetSpirit :

said by batterup

:

I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.

quote:
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router.

What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it?

The router I received a little over 1 1/2 years ago was the Netgear WGR614_v6. The router maxes out around 12-13mbit downstream.

It can be used for OOL with minor downstream degradation.

To a regular Jane or Joe, it's better to loose the uppermost 1-2 mbits and have a wireless router without spending weeks trying to figure out what they need and learn a new vocabulary in the process.

For all I know it could be an entirely different model these days which does go all the way with normal OOL.

Boost capable routers is another topic entirely.

Most people could care less about the missing 10% of speed, to them it's a convenience and saves a few dollars and the headache of trying to choose a router to buy. Remember, we're a very small minority of users out of what, 1.5 million subs? :)

I wrote up a bunch of tests I did years ago when I got this router. Basically it is alruight for standard OOL but not Boost.

Attached is the white sheet and other tech data for the router I received.

--
Regards,
David

PS What's all this talk of getting banned from Verizon? I only know one person, Earl something who got canned for flaming in 0.verizon and cross posting. This you mate?

Netgear_WGR6···uide.pdf 441,438 bytes WGR614_v6 Setup Guide
Netgear_WGR6···nual.pdf 1,678,616 bytes WGR614_v6 Full Manual
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17959566 Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:24:43 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17953720 WoodyLI :

said by batterup

:

I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.

I can't find that deal....All I see is you get the first month free if you upgrade online. I see you get the router for new customers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17953720 Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:16:35 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17953690 jaa :

said by batterup

:

I just noticed that when one orders Boost Cablevision offers a router.

quote:
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router.

What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it?

That offer is not available to you.
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quote:
Choose Your Gift

Netgear wireless router.

What model is the router and what speeds does one get with it?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17951663 Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:18:33 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17950055 bohn : How about sympatico up in Canada. They limit your download speed to 3 megabits per second on vdsl. Then there's the caps of 30 gigabytes per month combined download plus upload no newsgroups email that never works the tv signal always pixelates you pay a fortune much more than in America.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17950055 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:58:09 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17947231 richglen : Buffalo is the way to go, I had both Linksys and a D-Link, both had speed issues and the Linksys WRT-54G had a problem with VPN's that prior "slower" models did not. The Buffalo (WHR-HP-G54) I purchased many months ago gives me my rated speeds constantly, a few bucks more but much better all around.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17947231 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:17:20 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940940 WoodyLI :

said by MauroV

:

I changed channels, and speed improved a lot. I am getting 17.673mbs instead of 4.1. It's also early in the morning, but last night I was getting 12,873.

You mean wireless channels? Yes that can have a large impact. Some cordless phones and other wireless appliances can interfere with the integrity of wireless signals. The channels tend to overlap one another so if you have more than one wireless device in close proximity to each other it's best to have them at least five or six channels apart. Depending on how close you live to your neighbors that might have wireless devices they could be interfering also.

Because of the frequency used, the time of day itself shouldn't have any significant impact on performance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940940 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 11:59:56 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940098 MauroV : I changed channels, and speed improved a lot. I am getting 17.673mbs instead of 4.1. It's also early in the morning, but last night I was getting 12,873. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17940098 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 07:19:42 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17938528 jaa :

said by WoodyLI

:

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited. Cablevision reserves the right to disconnect service when in violation of the terms of service.

Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.

I have quoted your entire post, so I hope you don't see this as being "out of context".

Perhapse the OOL you subscribed to had such a statement in their TOS. It has never been in my TOS, or in the TOS of several other people who have replied here.

Again, probably just a case of your OOL being different that everyone elses.
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said by GeekNJ

:

I have no life? :uhh:

Funny because I wasn't actually talking about you this time but I think the fact that you thought I was says something. ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937602 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:58:35 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937578 GeekNJ :

said by WoodyLI

:

It's one thing to question my statement as some have but personally I think it's obvious that anyone who actually goes back and researches previous TOS agreements from cablevision simply to counter my post either has absolutely no life or they work for cablevision (directly or indirectly). I'd have more respect for these guys if they simply admitted why they are so hot for a particular ISP. There's only one company that I might lose sleep over taking a public relations slap and that's the company that signs my paycheck.

I have no life? :uhh: It probably took me less time to look on archive.org and find the oldest TOS then it did for you to type your entire post telling me I have no life.

So now you are accusing folks here of being paid by CV again. No one here I know that posts in this forum works for CV or gets one time for them. I can scan by bills and you can see how much I paid them each month. Do I work for Verizon too because I post in that forum? I can show you my $300+ Verizon bill too.

I think every one of us that you think works for CV has told you why we post and that is because if we didn't inaccurate and misleading information would remain posted without any response and that would hurt consumers coming here for information/support. If you used DSLR as a tool in doing research on an ISP, wouldn't you want the most accurate information available? If it was just kids like batterup posting nonsense without anyone challenging his lies, you'd tend to see it as truth since it wasn't challenged.

It's no different then when you posted information about being on Boost and being capped. You were challenged to provide proof, which because you no longer had the service, you couldn't provide.

No one is looking for your respect. Folks here are looking for accurate information, positive, negative or neutral. Anything else will be challenged, as it should be.
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937578 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:55:16 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937391 WoodyLI :

said by GeekNJ

:

I don't know about the WRT54GS, but I think on the WRT54G, if one device connects using b, all the speeds will drop down to b speed.

So try the G only - maybe one/both of the Macs is connecting as b?

This is a good point....All routers will drop to B speeds if a single B device hooks up to it. This is part of the G spec.

I use two wireless routers at home so that my older B devices can have a dedicated connection and don't slow down my G network.

Wireless connections will see a drop. Advertised speeds of a wireless connection are usually theoretical and typically you will get about half the advertised speed in actual throughput.

I get about double the dl speed using the speedtests in this website when my laptop is connected to my router using ethernet vs. wireless G. Some wireless cards are also faster than others when connected to the same router. Range from the router is also an issue and there are other tweaks that can affect performance.

Again, I don't think you will see a huge difference in online performance with a wireless G to a 100 or 1GB ethernet connection except when running speed tests.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937391 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:09:55 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937361 WoodyLI : I really don't memorize the TOS for the previous six years since I've had OOL so maybe I'm wrong about that but cablevision was very clear that they provided no tech support with a router hooked up to the modem and you needed to directly connect a computer before they would provide support. In fact, this is a major reason routers today have MAC spoofing so you could fool your cable modem into thinking it's hooked up to the primary account computer.

It's one thing to question my statement as some have but personally I think it's obvious that anyone who actually goes back and researches previous TOS agreements from cablevision simply to counter my post either has absolutely no life or they work for cablevision (directly or indirectly). I'd have more respect for these guys if they simply admitted why they are so hot for a particular ISP. There's only one company that I might lose sleep over taking a public relations slap and that's the company that signs my paycheck.

Obviously all this has changed so the entire argument is irrelevant except for those who have late night fantasies about Dolan or get a paycheck from him (includes all those who appear to take this personally).

I never stated that cablevision capped accounts using routers and I really didn't want to discuss it. I'd prefer to keep this and other threads on topic.

All the talk about losing a little speed with a router isn't necessarily relevant either IMO. It's fun to run speed tests on your ISP but how may web, FTP, torrent, or any other sites actually are going to provide you with a direct speed that even comes close to OOL's advertised speed.

What I mean is....if you are getting 12.0 mbps dl with the router hooked up vs. maybe 20.0 mbps dl without the router, are you even going to notice any speed difference when downloading a large file or a Windows update? I've never tested it but my guess is the results would be the same. Maybe if you hooked up many computers and tried to dl at the same time you might see a difference but for the average home user with maybe three or four PCs a slower router is still sufficient.

Again....for the sake of sane people everywhere, drop the crying everytime someone mentions the word "cap."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937361 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 17:03:13 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937153 GeekNJ :

said by MauroV

:

I will also change my router configuration to G only and check if the macs still connect. But I doubt that will make a difference because the mixed, should connect to a G if the computer card is a G.

I don't know about the WRT54GS, but I think on the WRT54G, if one device connects using b, all the speeds will drop down to b speed.

So try the G only - maybe one/both of the Macs is connecting as b?
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937153 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:19:29 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937134 MauroV : I am set up for mixed, since I don't know if my Macs are G capable. I will test without the router as well, as you suggested. But that will not do me any good, since I am connected wireless most of the times on the laptops around the house.
I will also change my router configuration to G only and check if the macs still connect. But I doubt that will make a difference because the mixed, should connect to a G if the computer card is a G.
Thanks a lot for your help!
I run a computer department, but as you can tell, I am not a network engineer.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937134 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:17:12 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937047 GeekNJ : 4.1 is normal wireless if you were 802.11b

I don't know Macs to know how to tell at what speed it is connecting.

Pull the router out and direct connect your PC to the cable modem. With your computer on and connected to the modem, turn your computer off and on. That should allow your computer to work on the Internet. What speed do you get when direct connected?
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937047 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:00:52 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937031 MauroV : 4.1 is normal? Is less than half than wired...which is 10 or 11...I was expecting to be closer to 30 with Boost. I am afraid that when my boos free one year expires I will be slower than DSL.

Can you help me out on on how to check if I am connecting at G with my wireless on a Mac?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17937031 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:57:55 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17936964 GeekNJ : 4.1 would be normal if you are connecting via b (802.11b) wireless. Are you sure you are connecting g?

If you have any security enabled on the wireless, turn it off to see if that is the cause.

I use a WRT54G (minus wireless) and I get 20mb wireless on my 20mb connection and that is with WPA enabled. No difference between the 2.
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Tweaked your connection? | Mail Parse | Speed Converter]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17936964 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:45:51 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17936874 MauroV : Hi all....

I am a new user, just dumped DSL and signed up for Boost.

But not too happy with my speed. I am getting downstream of 11.193 Mbps on the wired and 4.1 on the wireless. Since I am using the "approved router, do you have any suggestions?
router model: linksys wrt54GS.

Since I can't find my router manual..any suggestions to help me increase the speed will be great.

My old PC (windows XP) connected via a wire to the router is the fastest machine. My two mac powerbooks (one brand new Intel mac) are the slow machines via wireless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17936874 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:30:16 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17935201 GeekNJ :

said by batterup

:

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?

No speed degradation if you have a capable router. Another lie from batterup. As proven by hundreds of posters including the individuals that responded below your lie.

Now can you show me another ISP besides Verizon, that reduces your Internet bandwidth when you watch a HD VOD on your TV service? Why is watching TV now impacting the Internet I'm paying for? Verizon is capping my Internet, deliberately proving me less bandwidth, when I watch TV. Go ahead Ivan, spin away.
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said by batterup

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?

LOL.

Should we rattle off a list of all the world's providers which offer speeds in excess of what a cheap, low memory, low horsepower consumer router can't handle?

Got about an hour?

Let's take one well known example and not look too hard.

Everyone has heard of the Swedish ISP, Bredbands Bolaget or BBB as commonly abbreviated.

Due to Sweden's highly pro-active broadband policy, they are able to offer 100/10mbit connections for 229 Swedish Kronen monthly [That's $32.41 at current exchange rates] . They also offering ADSL 2+ and VDSL service at speeds of 20 and 24mbit 2 and 3 mbit upstream respectively.

Let's see what the world famous BBB has to say about routers:

said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Accurate Translation) :
"Your computer & router:

Your computer and possible router influences largely the experience of yours Internet connection. A fast connection requires that your computer quickly handle the traffic that is sent and received. Older computers and operating systems can thereby offer a slow broadband experience, or not function at all. The use of a router can cause the same problem. Both computers and routers can cause bottlenecks.

Troubleshooting should begin with your connection always disconnected from your router and connected to your computer - to bypass your router, i e. connect computer direct to modem / broadband device, and then to reboot the computer.

Another possibility is to try the internet with another computer.

If your connection functions poorly or not at all, perform these steps:

* Disconnect possible router, switch and/or VOIP device. Connect the computer direct to the modem/the broad band levying device with a network cable.

* Check if connection functions without router and/or with new computer. If the connection functions up to speed without router, please refer to yours router support. "

said by BredBandBolaget, a Swedish ISP (Original Text) :
Din dator & router:

Din dator och eventuell router påverkar i hög grad upplevelsen av din Internetuppkoppling. En snabb uppkoppling kräver att din dator snabbt kan hantera den trafik som skickas och tas emot. Äldre datorer och operativsystem kan därmed göra att bredbandet upplevs långsamt eller inte fungera alls. Användning av routrar kan orsaka samma problem. Både datorer och routrar kan låsa sig. Har du problem med din uppkoppling starta därför alltid om din router och därefter din dator. Hjälper inte detta ska du alltid koppla förbi din router, dvs. ansluta dator direkt till modem/bredbandsuttag, och därefter starta om datorn. Har du möjlighet, prova alltid med en annan dator. Skulle det fortfarande inte fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet troligtvis i själva uppkopplingen. Skulle det däremot fungera med den andra datorn ligger felet i din vanliga dator och inte i själva uppkopplingen.

Om din uppkoppling skulle fungerar dåligt eller inte alls, gör detta:

* Koppla bort eventuell router, switch och/eller telefondosa. Anslut datorn direkt till modemet/bredbandsuttaget med en nätverkskabel.
* Kontrollera om uppkoppling fungerar utan router och/eller med ny dator. Fungerar uppkopplingen utan routern, vänd dig till din routersupport. Fungerar uppkopplingen med annan dator, vänd dig till din datorsupport.

Look up any other ISP in the world which offers >15mbit connections in the world and I bet they have something very similar in their support literature.

jaa

was quite correct. FIOS is limited by a cheap router - why do you think Verizon gives you an Actiontech built to their specifications? And why is it that the DLINK given out prior to the Actiontech had custom firmware which was "tweaked" (and perhaps extra ram/cpu enhancements) for FIOS speeds.

Perhaps Verizon's "free router" is motivated less by benevolence and more by having a standard device among the entire customer base which is known to keep up with the speeds and the techs can be trained to support. It's far easier to offer support for one router model than for every router make and model that a person might call in with.

What are you going to pick on next? The ethernet cable packaged with the modems?

:huh:

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Regards,
David]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934993 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:26:13 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934430 reccakun : Yes. The D-Link DI 524 is underpowered. I bought the Linksys BEFSR41 from bestbuy and it worked. They don't have the LINKSYS WRT54GL that you guys mentioned and I don't need wireless, so I got the BEFSR41 instead at $40 :D. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934430 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:05:13 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934343 jaa :

said by batterup

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?

Verizon FIOS.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934343 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 01:36:18 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934022 sillydoh :

said by reccakun

:

Hi, all. I just order OOL Boost today and the download speed with excellent around 28-29Mbits if its directly connected to my computer. Once I hook it up to a router, the download speed dramatically decreases to around 14-15Mbits. I have tried it with 2 different branded routers but didn't help. Is the boost only works when directly connected from Modem to router? Or did I done something wrong? Any help will be appreciated.

The two routers you tried likely don't have enough horsepower to handle Boost speeds. I just switched to a Buffalo router (from a D-Link 524) and now I'm seeing Boost speeds.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17934022 Sat, 03 Mar 2007 00:01:58 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17933653 batterup :

said by jaa

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

Can you show me another broadband provider whose speed is degraded with the use of a router?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17933653 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 22:42:56 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932893 jaa : I think Woody has a different OOL than the rest of us.

His OOL:
- Prohibited routers, while distributing them
- Caps boost
- Keeps cap if you upgrade to boost

He is the only one with those experiences, that are contrary to everyone elses.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932893 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:47:38 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932518 StreetSpirit : Hi WoodyLI

,

That's kind of odd, as they have a promotion going for several years where they'll send you a freebie router. Anyhow, it's news to me. I've been on the network for just under 4 years and during the time I've had it, routers were never prohibited, but rather actually encouraged and shipped as freebies to many folks, myself included.

When troubleshooting of course you might be asked to disconnect your router and connect straight, but there was never anything in my TOS/AUP and I read them with a fine toothed comb, as I wasn't a happy camper with the capping and all and wanted to know what else was prohibited.

I remember reading the TOS very carefully and really don't remember anything about routers. Even the word "router" was never used in the TOS (and still isn't.) At or around that time I remember asking an OOL tech if it was alright to run ICS and he said sure and recommended I invest in a consumer router for sharing PCs. This was a few years back as the hot SoHo routers those days were the Linksys BEFSR series and the Netgear rebranded Zyxel Prestige's.

With BOOST, I use a Cisco 851. Someone on the forum uses it's bigger cousin the 871. They work well but are more expensive than the usual consumer routers.

Lastly, at least for the last two years if not longer, OOL has been running a promotion for new customers where they'll send you a Netgear WGR614 or an MP3 Player and charge you $29.99 for the first six months

I received my freebie Netgear WGR614_v6 router prior to the 15/2 bump-up in speed on regular OOL, so it served me well for about a year. When OOL bumped everyone up to 15/2, the router became a bottleneck (and maxed out at around 12mbps running wired/firewalls off.)

Why would a company prohibit something on one hand and turn around to offer it as a freebie in another. That's simply silly, and is not the case as far as I can remember.

Snapped 2007-03-02 19:43:32

»www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp

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Regards,
Dave

PS Regarding the Netgear WGR614_v6, the promo is actually still there after all this time (they extend it at the end of each month as far as I can see.) : »www.optimum.com/online/gwp.jsp - Have your pick of a Lexmark Printer or a Netgear router. It used to be an MP3 player or a router. :) There was also an offer for six months of OOL $23.99 with a free router to entice current AOL users. So this comes as rather strange indeed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932518 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:45:16 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932486 Imaman : The linksys has a $10 rebate this month]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17932486 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 19:40:15 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928470 Ken Peterson :

said by reccakun

:

Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.

Once you are up and running and wish to play around with any of the third-party firmwwares (beware, improper installation can turn your router into a brick), check out:

»www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
and
»www.thibor.co.uk/

DD-WRT has more options, but Thibor looks and feels more like the stock firmware on steroids.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928470 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:53:24 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928431 jaa :

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.
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NOTHING justifies terrorism. We don't negotiate with terrorists. Those that support terrorists are terrorists.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17928431 Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:36:51 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927364 reccakun : Woh.. those review at newegg.com is really bad on the D-Link. Thanks for the tip. I'll get the little more expensive Linksys router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927364 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 23:16:03 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927266 RickNY :

said by WoodyLI

:

To clarify. My first OOL subscription specifically stated that the use of a router to share the connection with more than one computer was prohibited.

The OOL terms of service have NEVER prohibited the use of a router. The only mention of this in the TOS (and still is there exactly as it was when the service first launched) is the section that states Cablevision is not responsible for "Any Subscriber who, 1. chooses to participate in the Optimum Online Service using other than a single, stand-alone Computer connected to the local segment, if and when this capability is offered"

Stop making blatant lies because it may seem convenient for your cause. Again, this was NEVER prohibited -- if it was ever stated, there would never have been any issue on how to answer the question when people came here asking if it was allowed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927266 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:59:56 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927074 Ken Peterson : If you're going to go BestBuy, at least consider the Netgear Super G Wireless Router Model: WGT624 - Sale: $66.49
»tinyurl.com/692a4 - you should have no problem with this. The SPI feature may slow you down a little but you can always disable it.

If you'd like one of the best routers (IMHO) for the price, check out the Linksys WRT54GL

»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···33124190

The cool thing about this router is that your can run 3rd-party firmware on it and have lots more options.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927074 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:27:50 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927009 Ken Peterson : That model doesn't look too good according to those who've bought it at NewEgg: »www.newegg.com/Product/Custratin···33127079]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17927009 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 22:18:40 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17926989 GeekNJ : It's not listed in the data at »Optimum Online FAQ »What Routers are Compatible with OOL's 15/2 and 30/5 (BOOST) Plans? but the list just represents routers people have reported using that didn't slow them down. It's not an exhaustive list (by any means) of all routers which would work fine.

If you get the Dlink and it works, let Irish Shark

know so he can update the info.
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said by reccakun

:

I tried it with a D-Link DI-524 and Belkin F5D7231-4. Also what is SPI? I don't see that option on the router settings.

I had this very same DLink router and it always slowed my OOL connection down quite a bit. The CPU in the router couldn't keep up with the speed, IMHO. Try the 624 series.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17926236 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:11:42 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17926198 GeekNJ : When did you get OOL? I got it in 2001 when it first became available in my area and there was no restriction on using a router.

I went to »www.archive.org and for optimumonline.com the first TOS link is under the Jan 2000 entry and there's no mention of routers in it.
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Please don't quote me out of context or box multiple quotes to throw people off and derail the thread. Before you quote me again or presume certain implications from this post please review my last post.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17926008 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:34:30 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925197 StreetSpirit :

said by WoodyLI

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

This used to be the case ... snip

Forbidding the use of routers when trying to diagnose a problem and ** FORBIDDING THE USE OF ROUTERS PERIOD ** are two very different things.

If you were diagnosing connectivity, would you rather troubleshoot with a router in the mix, or would you first ask the customer to attach his modem directly to a PC and see if connectivity is restored? I doubt you'd choose the former. I doubt anyone would not take the step and try ruling out the router.

So what in the world is wrong with this? If tech support years ago would require it.. Now I've been using OOL for what, 3 or 4 years now and I've never been told to disconnect my router. By the time I called in, IT WAS ALREADY DISCONNECTED, which is what proper troubleshooting procedure dictates.

Jeez Louise, now they're capping their routers. You and Batterup up with a new one daily.

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925197 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:17:50 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925162 StreetSpirit :

said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

It's one thing to go back and forth and joke when arguing with regular forum posters who are in the know, but it is despicable to reply to a person seriously seeking help with this type of comment.

To the original poster - as people have already mentioned, not all consumer routers can handle the downstream speed. We have a FAQ with a routers that have proven to work well with boost in the forum the links to which have already been posted.

Batterup, I'm really shaking my head man. This wasn't cool.

Dave]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925162 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 17:12:36 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17925043 GeekNJ : I downloaded one of the Dlink manuals for the 524 and it's not listed as SPI but there are Filters and Firewall options (big buttons on the left side), that would be the equivalent. If you have filtering defined it needs to check all the requests to see if it should allow them or not and that could slow things down. Same for the Firewall options so minimize those to test if there's any improvement.
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said by batterup

:

This is an old Cablevision secret capping trick. Jim figures if you are using a router you are sharing the connection and caps it.

This used to be the case and Cablevision specifically forbid the use of routers in it's terms of service but I'd never heard of any capping as a result. That was several years ago and they gradually changed their policy to allow the use of routers but not provide any tech support unless you removed it. Now they fully support routers and even hook them up for you if you request it.

It is still a violation of the terms of service to share the connection with anyone beyond your household but considering the liability of doing that it's not a good idea anyway. You never can be completely sure that nice old man living next door to you isn't a serial child killer stalking kids online using your account. lol

Their boost service department will tell you that running a router will reduce your speeds. Some routers are faster than others. In any case, when you change from a direct connection to a router you should do a hard reboot of your cable modem since the modem ties itself to the MAC address of the first device connected to it.

You could connect to your computer directly and check speeds are good. Then spoof your computer's MAC address in the router and change the name of the router to hide it's identity. If you still have problems try updating the router's firmware or using a third party firmware that may be more optimized for higher speeds. Another option is to build your own router with an old PC and Linux using higher quality NIC cards but that is pretty advanced stuff and you have to run it 24/7 sucking down a lot more electricity than a small router.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17923357 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:20:24 EDT Re: [OOL] OOL Boost performance decrease when connected to route http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,17921914 GeekNJ :

said by reccakun

:

Is there a way legally uncap it?

Don't believe batterup . He's just flat out lying!

SPI is an option in some routers. This option inspects every packet. A lot of routers that have this option don't have the horsepower to inspect every packet and not slow down the connection.

Both the routers you posted are wireless. Are you seeing the slower speed when wired?
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