tperl
join:2005-11-15
Blacklick, OH
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| [TWC] Need advice
Building is a MDU, not an apartment complex, think YMCA like shared bathrooms etc. There is an existing LAN to all 40 rooms. We had Earthlink DSL but it crapped out on us and was way too slow for 40 people. We decided to just install individual Time Warner Roadrunner modems in most of the rooms with a few wireless routers here and there. I am looking for a less costly solution that would use our LAN if possible. Not everyone has a wireless card. I think one modem to the LAN would be too slow or crap out like Earthlink. Somebody told me to call Time Warner Business Class. I don't see how that would be any different than residential in terms of speed. Any ideas? |
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DJC2006
join:2006-10-10
Goshen, NY | Business Class From TWC should do you good as far as Internet is concerned. You should try and get the least expensive business class plan available.  |
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tiger102
join:2007-01-05
Brooklyn, NY
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said by tperl  :We had Earthlink DSL but it crapped out on us and was way too slow for 40 people. you had one DSL for 40 people! It just sounds silly. That's too many people for one DSL. Even if you were to install RR in your building it won't be able to handle 40.
I would say see if Verizon FIOS is in your area. if it is in your area, then just get the highest speed they have, for you 50 mbits down and / 10mbits up should be better then the DSL you had. If that's not enough, maybe having two or three FIOS would be enough for all 40. |
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tperl
join:2005-11-15
Blacklick, OH
·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | It is At&T territory which is why I would like to stick with TWC. No sign of U-verse deployment in the area. The DSL connection actually worked fine for a couple years because not all 40 rooms had computers and nobody was doing any filesharing.
I assume TWC Business Class would just be one modem to the LAN right? How would this be different than hooking up one residential modem to the LAN?
I want to save money from our current setup but I don't want people complaining that it is too slow.
To make it more clear or current setup has individual roadrunner modems directly to most of the rooms. The building is already wired by TWC(all rooms have tv) and the LAN has not been used since we had Earthlink. |
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gpidock
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join:2006-12-01
Columbus, OH
| reply to tperl
I know our company has Time Warner for internet access to at least a couple of hundred folks. The connection is very fast, up and down, and we have never had an outage. I'm not able to know the tech details or cost though. But I think it might be worth a call to Time Warner to get an estimate. |
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GReYVee
join:2006-10-25
Colorado Springs, CO
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I would suggest 4 segments, probably running on their highest class tier (depending of course on how your tenants use the internet)
1 modem can handle 40 ppl the problem is, peak usage and upload cap. You are looking at sharing between 384k to 2M upload per modem, between 40 ppl -- leaving you with less than 10Kb up per PC (worst case) if everyone is using it at once.
Considering the chances that -everyone- will be on at the same time are small. splitting it into 2-4 modems will probably give an avg 200+Kb free per PC, that's enough for most residential purposes.
First find out what the upload caps are, and do the math. Consider that on average only 30% will be using it at the same time during peak hours, and try to give a good headway for upload. (like 200kbs)
Example, 40 users total. avg 12 using it at once during peak hours. 2.4M upload needed. class of service is 768k up. You'd need about 3-4 modems.
Once you know how many modems you need, split them into segments. You could even consider using QoS (quality of service) profiles for some users who have time sensitive needs, like VOIP or Gaming, have them be the highest priority user on that segment.
You may also need to consider how the Ethernet LAN infrastructure is made up. Are the rooms chained by switches? or do all the segments run to a single room (in other words is there a room with 40 ethernet lines coming out to hook up to a single switch?)
This is all about math and statistics, and of course having a reliable ISP.
You certainly can utilize the LAN with fewer modems than you are currently using, as long as the LAN itself isn't the problem.
This is how all the major networks are built to be cost effective...consider that not everyone is using it at the same time, and just give good headway for peak usage, rather than actually having a pipe to handle max usage by all users at once. |
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tperl
join:2005-11-15
Blacklick, OH
·AT&T U-Verse
| Thanks for the reply. There is a room where all the LAN cables go to and they are then split into 2 seperate hubs(halo players can only see the 19 other people on that hub since the 2 hubs are not connected). BTW I am not sure if they are hubs or switches. I am guessing we would only get one modem. What I really want to know is what is the difference between a residential account that is 5/512 and a business class account that is 5/512. |
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GReYVee
join:2006-10-25
Colorado Springs, CO
| said by tperl : What I really want to know is what is the difference between a residential account that is 5/512 and a business class account that is 5/512. Restrictions on Terms of Use are different. You can be allowed to run public servers etc on it. For all intensive purposes you may want to talk to the Business Class sales and see what details they have -- as the use your tenants would be putting on the service certainly borders on being a small business.
But keep in mind you probably could get away with residential svc, just make sure if you do only -one- modem, you get the extreme service package. For 10$ extra a month it will increase up/down anywhere from 30% to 200%. |
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
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join:2002-07-29
Woodland Hills, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| said by GReYVee : For all intensive purposes No such thing.
"For all intents and purposes" is cliche, but correct.
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"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid."
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rcdailey
Dragoonfly
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join:2005-03-29
Rialto, CA
| said by SOLdesign :said by GReYVee : For all intensive purposes No such thing. "For all intents and purposes" is cliche, but correct. Come on, English is a constantly evolving language. Maybe we need a new use for "instensive." Maybe it could also be used to mean "deadly serious." 
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SOLdesign
Did I drink a shot of Irrational Whore?
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join:2002-07-29
Woodland Hills, CA | when it is allowed, cool, until then... "no soup for you!" |
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