inteller
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this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. |
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TKJunkMail
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| said by inteller  :this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved.
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1 edit | said by TKJunkMail :Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. It's going to happen regardless. One of them will end up folding eventually. Neither of them can sustain financial losses forever. It's just a matter of which one will collapse first.
A merger is a "cleaner" way for this to happen. If one of the players is forced into bankruptcy it will be a huge headache for end users.
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kfsutops
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I'm torn. I'm on the fence. I have had both services. I like some of what one offers and some of what the other offers. It would be interesting to get the best of both worlds.
The unfortunate part is that Mel is a complete idiot and liar if he says prices won't raise. In a sense the prices may not raise. What will happen is there will be less content available for that $12.95/month. Everything else will come to additional content charges..Think of cable and charging for HBO, Showtime, etc. This is what is going to happen.
XM tried charging for "premium" content. Failed. So how do you make "premium" content profitable? You get rid of competition.
I hate that I have to pay $7/month for additional radios.
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Let 'em die. The spectrum they are allocated can be better used for other things.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. I'm not sure it's as cut and dry as that. I have both Sirius and XM, and I also have my iPod. I've had my iPod for a lot longer than either satellite service, and I stopped listening to regular radio a long time ago. 2001 or so. (Until Howard Stern movied to Sirius, that was the only regular radio I actually listened to. I stopped listening to music on regular radio in 2000 or 2001.)
My point is that one could argue that XM & Sirius compete with regular radio, and an entire range of Mp3 devices and other methods of distribution.
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said by TKJunkMail :It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. that's BS.
even if it's not a 2 to 1 shift, Martin hasn't had any problem shrinking the telco market. Martin cares about companies, not consumers. Even his "concern" over VOIP E911 isn't about the consumer, it's about responding to telco cries of "level playing field".
the plain truth is that NAB doesn't want this to happen, so Martin doesn't want this to happen either. As I've said before, consumers don't enter into the equation when you're talking about Martin and the FCC.
said by inteller :this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. more like he's already received his check from NAB |
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said by RadioDoc :Let 'em die. The spectrum they are allocated can be better used for other things. Bad business idea; bad business model. Sorry, have to disagree with you on this.
The idea is great. I have Sirius and get the opportunity to listen to music that is not heard in my area at all. Normal radio is filled with commercials and bad music. Clear Channel might be trying to rid themselves of XM but they are BIG players in regular radio along with Infinity Broadcasting. |
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I suspect the same thing... |
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said by kfsutops :I'm torn. I'm on the fence. I have had both services. I like some of what one offers and some of what the other offers. It would be interesting to get the best of both worlds. The unfortunate part is that Mel is a complete idiot and liar if he says prices won't raise. In a sense the prices may not raise. What will happen is there will be less content available for that $12.95/month. Everything else will come to additional content charges..Think of cable and charging for HBO, Showtime, etc. This is what is going to happen. XM tried charging for "premium" content. Failed. So how do you make "premium" content profitable? You get rid of competition. I hate that I have to pay $7/month for additional radios. I just don't get why some people are saying prices will rise when there is no plan to do that. Plus, you are talking about a market where people can say no and go to ipods and other handheld music devices. In my opinion, since we are offering them on if prices will rise or not, is that prices won't go up. You may see the price go up after a few years, but thats the cost of doing business when everything else gets expensive as time goes on.
As for paying for $7 a month for additional radios, that hasn't changed. In my mind though, it isn't a deal breaker.
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said by kfsutops :The unfortunate part is that Mel is a complete idiot an liar if he says prices won't raise. There, I fixed it for you.
Karmazen is no idiot, this guy is a master salesman, and a shady one to boot. I wouldn't trust word one that comes from his mouth.
I've had XM for about 3 years now. I love the content. The music channels are awesome and I love being able to catch the MLB pre season games. And of course, my favorite, Opie & Anthony.
As you can see by my post sig, I would rather not see the merger approved. I really don't care who's shady deal shoots it down. Leave my XM alone!
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said by TKJunkMail :It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. Is it really a 2-company market though? What about all of the traditional broadcasters spread around the world and free to consumers that the pay satrad providers are competing against? What about all of the free/paid Internet radio stations that DSLR has discussed for the last couple of days? I don't see this market as a 2-company market at all. |
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said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. Wrong its not a 2 company market, they compete with 7 different radio companies, yahoo music, IPOD, Itunes, HDradio.
the SEC filing made it very clear that EVERY major radio company clearly stated in their SEC filings that THEY COMPETE DIRECTLY WITH SAT RADIO.
so how is this a 2 company market?
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Re: Cliff notes: Not 100% true (IPOD)
If my Sat radio stopped working I wouldn't be running to buy 1000 songs at .99 a pop from I tunes. I would just listen to radio. Maybe buy a few good cd's and keep doing what I was doing before I originally purchased my Sirius radio before switching to XM. |
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Re: Cliff notes:
said by RadioDoc :Let 'em die. The spectrum they are allocated can be better used for other things. Bad business idea; bad business model. Like? If you had to listen to Los Angeles market radio you would be thankful for Sirius.
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said by P Ness :so how is this a 2 company market? Name another satellite radio company in the US besides these 2.
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said by kfsutops :I'm torn. I'm on the fence. I have had both services. I like some of what one offers and some of what the other offers. It would be interesting to get the best of both worlds. The unfortunate part is that Mel is a complete idiot and liar if he says prices won't raise. In a sense the prices may not raise. What will happen is there will be less content available for that $12.95/month. Everything else will come to additional content charges..Think of cable and charging for HBO, Showtime, etc. This is what is going to happen. XM tried charging for "premium" content. Failed. So how do you make "premium" content profitable? You get rid of competition. I hate that I have to pay $7/month for additional radios. Sirius has never charged for premium content and has indicated that there are no plans to.
People here act as if XM and Sirius are the only ones competing here. Satellite radio has to compete with terrestrial radio, CD's, iPods and other sources of audio content.
To think that tomorrow Sirius could raising prices to $20 is crazy. They still have to compete and convince people listing to free radio that the service is worth what they're charging.
Meanwhile I just look at who is opposed...Ashcroft (because XM refused to pay him his lobbying money)...and more importantly, the NAB. If the National Association of [terrestrial] Broadcasters things the merger is bad it means it's great. The NAB (who ended up hiring Ashcroft) were against sat radio from the start and would ban iPods and TV if they could.
As it stands now if you want Baseball and Howard Stern you have to fork over $23/mo plus 2 radios. I'm not seeing how that is good for consumers like me who want both.
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said by TKJunkMail :said by inteller :this is Martin's way of saying he hasn't recieved his pay (off) check from XM and Sirius yet. It is nothing of the sort. Letting a 2 company market shrink to 1 was never going to be approved. Oh. You mean like AT&T + Bell South. Instead of two separate companies, now they can be one, giant telco with 65% of the market. Give me a break. Once a shill, always a shill. Martin just hasn't received his payoff yet from either satellite radio company.
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said by moonpuppy :said by RadioDoc :Let 'em die. The spectrum they are allocated can be better used for other things. Bad business idea; bad business model. Sorry, have to disagree with you on this. The idea is great. I have Sirius and get the opportunity to listen to music that is not heard in my area at all. Normal radio is filled with commercials and bad music. Clear Channel might be trying to rid themselves of XM but they are BIG players in regular radio along with Infinity Broadcasting. Many great product ideas have died on the vine because they were lousy business ideas with even lousier business plans. Being a great consumer product is not a guarantee of success.
In order to succeed XM and Sirius have to keep you as a customer long enough to pay for the considerably subsidized radio, their back-end operating costs, their advertising costs and programming costs, and then turn a profit. $12.95 a month doesn't come close to breaking even for well over a year. Sat radio has a high churn and a lot of those subscriber numbers they like to post are transient, never becoming profit. It's not as bad as Vonage but it's similar.
Clear Channel is breaking itself into smaller bits in anticipation of being taken private. They got rid of their stake in XM awhile back.
Internet radio has become a strong, viable alternative to satellite radio. It represents everything corporate media isn't, and XM and Sirius are just as corporate as Clear Channel and CBS Radio (Infinity). If you want a true alternative to corporate swill, get behind the current drive to save webcasting from the RIAA.
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TCH, I don't see why it has to be limited to companies providing non-terrestrial radio. The satrad companies are very much in competition with terrestrial providers and vice versa. |
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